Best Basketball player of all-time Not named Jordan or Wilt?

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you've seen a 6'8 240 lb run a 4.4? please.

and lebron is a way better passer and rebounder then jordan, not even debatable.
 

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Why is 6 the magic number? Ever heard of Bill Russell, he's got 11 rings.

Ever hear of Robert Horry. The number of wins matters far less than how much each player contributes to them. Hard to see Russell outside of the top five all-time, hard to ignore his seven or so Hall-of-Fame teammates
 

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you've seen a 6'8 240 lb run a 4.4? please.

and lebron is a way better passer and rebounder then jordan, not even debatable.

When is he going to use his 4.4 on a basketball court? You are right about LeBron's passing. Jordan doesn't get many assists when he is driving to the basket scoring 31-37 points/game. LeBron looked great passing the ball at the end of game 1. :):)

Thank God you're not a hockey fan. You would be telling everyone that Sidney Crosby is the best ever.
 

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I always enjoy these threads. Everybody has an opinion based on something. Is it stats, championships, domination at a position, length of career or all of the above, etc etc. I have only watched basketball closely for 50+ years, so my take must be tempered accordingly. The most dominant NBA player vote in my lifetime would be Bill Russell. He dominated one of the two exceptions (Wilt) for years. The Stilt got the numbers and Russell got the rings. If championships mean anything, this is hands down the guy. His overall skills would never match today's flavor of the month (Kobe or Lebron). His influence on a game's outcome was :however: more astounding. Of course back in the day, nobody named a Finals MVP officially. No, I am not from Boston. With all due respect to Magic, Oscar, Larry, Mikan, Isaiah, Kareem, Maravich, Barry, & Duncan, Bill Russell stands alone at the mountain top!

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I always enjoy these threads. Everybody has an opinion based on something. Is it stats, championships, domination at a position, length of career or all of the above, etc etc. I have only watched basketball closely for 50+ years, so my take must be tempered accordingly. The most dominant NBA player vote in my lifetime would be Bill Russell. He dominated one of the two exceptions (Wilt) for years. The Stilt got the numbers and Russell got the rings. If championships mean anything, this is hands down the guy. His overall skills would never match today's flavor of the month (Kobe or Lebron). His influence on a game's outcome was :however: more astounding. Of course back in the day, nobody named a Finals MVP officially. No, I am not from Boston. With all due respect to Magic, Oscar, Larry, Mikan, Isaiah, Kareem, Maravich, Barry, & Duncan, Bill Russell stands alone at the mountain top!

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I would like to differ with you on the Russell so called domination of Wilt. Just because the Celtics were a far better team and surrounded by All Pros and Hall of Fame players doesn't mean that He was more dominate ! Have you ever looked at their head to head confrontations over the years ? Wilt led Russell 2/1 in scoring and led Russell by an average of 5 rebounds per game in their 142 meetings. One must recall that one of the Russell teams included 7 Hall of Famers not counting himself which would make 8 Hall of Famers on a single team. I don't see how We can say that the wins by Boston were because Russell dominated Wilt. Put Wilt on a team with 7 other Hall of Famers and perhaps the game results would be far different.
 

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I would like to differ with you on the Russell so called domination of Wilt. Just because the Celtics were a far better team and surrounded by All Pros and Hall of Fame players doesn't mean that He was more dominate ! Have you ever looked at their head to head confrontations over the years ? Wilt led Russell 2/1 in scoring and led Russell by an average of 5 rebounds per game in their 142 meetings. One must recall that one of the Russell teams included 7 Hall of Famers not counting himself which would make 8 Hall of Famers on a single team. I don't see how We can say that the wins by Boston were because Russell dominated Wilt. Put Wilt on a team with 7 other Hall of Famers and perhaps the game results would be far different.
exactly wilts numbers compared to russels head to head no contest
 
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Don't let my being from Michigan mean anything. I am only an hour from Chicago and hate all Michigan teams.

Magic was more a freak because he was a 6'8" PG. When he came into the league in '79 the typical PG were players like Phil Ford, Tiny Arcibald, Norm Nixon, Mo Cheeks. All were about 6'0" to 6'3" and were pass-first (except Maravich and Archibald). PG's didn't rebound either. Magic had a huge advantage physically over the other PG's. He could post them up and they were defenseless. He could move to other positions on the court, like Game 6 of the Finals in '80.

LeBron's physical advantage is much less than others at his position. I wonder is the added weight will be good for him as his career wears on. I like the guy, like his game, but I have seen his game played by others.

Well said. You've made your case.
 

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wow, thats tough and subjective

magic, a point guard, a rookie switching to play center in a game 6 of the finals and getting a triple double, that means something, is the most impressive thing i have ever heard
 

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wow, thats tough and subjective

magic, a point guard, a rookie switching to play center in a game 6 of the finals and getting a triple double, that means something, is the most impressive thing i have ever heard

Not as impressive as averaging a triple double for an entire season.

When it's all said and done, Westbrook may go down as the greatest PG of all time.
 

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Not as impressive as averaging a triple double for an entire season.

When it's all said and done, Westbrook may go down as the greatest PG of all time.[/QUOT

I take magic, stockton, and isiah over westbrook. I dont blink once. Great season, but the stat whoring...not my cup of tea..
 

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Not as impressive as averaging a triple double for an entire season.

When it's all said and done, Westbrook may go down as the greatest PG of all time.[/QUOT

I take magic, stockton, and isiah over westbrook. I dont blink once. Great season, but the stat whoring...not my cup of tea..

Exactly how I feel. Nice season, but all about him and his stats.
 

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Russell Westbrook & John Stockton own the 2 most amazing feats in NBA history.

Westbrook with the record number of triple doubles in a season & averaging just that over the course of year, and Stockton owning what could be the greatest feat ever in all of sports, holding the NBA all-time records of assists AND steals. That's one record on the offensive side of the ball, and one on the defensive side of the ball. Simply amazing & we'll probably never see that again as long aa we're all alive.

Despite those impressive achievements, obviously neither are the best player not named Jordan.

Jordan was so out of this world, that everyone else in the argument is a distant second.

Names like Magic, LeBron, Kobe, Bird, and others will always be debated since they are so close to being equally good...
 

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When it's all said and done, Westbrook may go down as the greatest PG of all time.
until westbrook gets more bball iq, he has a LONG way to go
he has all the physical tools to be the best pg of all time, but he doesn't truly understand the concept of team basketball.
 

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If Kwahi gets any better he could end up on this list

Indiana has to be kicking themselves.

Here's a reminder for Pacers' fans...



Leonard was selected with the 15th overall pick in the 2011 NBA draft by the Indiana Pacers but was traded that night to the San Antonio Spurs along with the rights to Erazem Lorbek and Davis Bertans in exchange for George Hill.
 

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