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PP, I am 100% non-violent and I have nothing but wishes for ZIT or anyone else to have a happy, wonderful life.

Bar I shoudn't have allowed to get myself dragged into you guys pissing match.
I think you can be hard to understand at times even though I get a kick out of you,but when you continue piss people off after you've already accomplshed the goal,then let up a little.
Like I said I shouldn't have allowed myself to get involved but you dragged me in with the Unity thing.So I felt compelled to admit to it because I am not ashamed of it.Not to get in the middle of a shit sandwich...but thats my fault.
 

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Gotta admit I really don't know if it can be a "pissing match" when I can't see nor read anything posted by ZIT.

When he began this thread here I took advantage of the Topic title to post a couple of links I've found useful.

I have no idea what ZIT has been saying within this thread, so if any of it splashed into your zone, please realize from where it came.
 

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At least Christians have a rational defense of their faith.

Pull me up a chair....this looks like this will be a dandy.

Not to break balls but you have to admit, this is a stretch. If rational is based on logic, then how can you have a rational defense of the things that im thinking about with Christanity? FZ, its all good, because at the end of the day, its what makes you feel complete so whatever you guys are into is all good with me...just dont try and bring about the rapture for a while.

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Pull me up a chair....this looks like this will be a dandy.

Not to break balls but you have to admit, this is a stretch. If rational is based on logic, then how can you have a rational defense of the things that im thinking about with Christanity? FZ, its all good, because at the end of the day, its what makes you feel complete so whatever you guys are into is all good with me...just dont try and bring about the rapture for a while.

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Fletch,

Thanks for asking. The rational defense of Christianity is a whole branch
of theology called apologetics. There have been countless volumes
writtern in this area. I'll point you to a short summary, with some
good pointers to more detailed writings.



http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/defense.html

These are excellent resources:
<dl><dt>Brooks, Ron and Norman L. Geisler. When Skeptics Ask: A Handbook on Christian Evidences. Wheaton, IL: Victor, 1990.</dt><dd>This book addresses a variety of issues in Christian apologetics, from the existence of God to the authority of the Bible and the nature of humanity. It is very readable, and its handbook format makes it easy for the reader to find answers to specific questions without searching through the whole book.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>Geisler, Norman L. Christian Apologetics. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1976.</dt><dd>This is a textbook for courses in Christian apologetics, so it is very detailed and at times rather tedious reading. It presents a complete defense of Christianity from a philosophical viewpoint and can be very helpful.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>Moreland, J. P. and Kai Nielson. Does God Exist? The Great Debate. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1990.</dt><dd>This book consists of an actual debate between a theist (J. P. Moreland) and an atheist (Kai Nielson). It includes responses from two other theists (William Lane Craig and Dallas Willard) and two other atheists (Antony Flew and Keith Parsons). All of these men are philosophers, so the debate can be rather challenging at times, but it is a very helpful work for those who want to explore these issues in some depth.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>Watkins, William and Norman L. Geisler. Perspectives: Understanding and Evaluating Today's World Views. San Bernardino, CA: Here's Life, 1984.</dt><dd>This book examines seven different world views and argues for the truth of Christianity. It is very readable and very helpful.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>Craig, William Lane. The Son Rises: The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus. Chicago: Moody, 1981.</dt><dd>This is an excellent book that thoroughly defends the resurrection of Jesus from a historical perspective. It is well-reasoned and very readable. Highly recommended.</dd><dt>
</dt><dt>Morison, Frank. Who Moved the Stone? London: Faber & Faber, 1930. Reprint. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1958.</dt><dd>This book was written by a man who intended to disprove the resurrection. In his studies he became convinced that it had actually occurred, and this book presents the evidence that changed his mind.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>Bruce, F. F. The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity, 1960.</dt><dd>This is a helpful book by a highly respected New Testament scholar. He argues for the historical authenticity and reliability of the New Testament.</dd></dl>
<dl><dt>McDowell, Josh. Evidence that Demands a Verdict: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith. San Bernardino, CA: Campus Crusade for Christ, 1972.</dt><dd>One of the most helpful apologetics books available, this work discusses the uniqueness of the Bible, demonstrates the strength of its manuscript support, and also examines the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.</dd><dt>
</dt><dt>________. More Evidence that Demands a Verdict: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith. San Bernardino, CA: Campus Crusade for Christ, 1975.</dt><dd>This sequel to McDowell's first book focuses on higher criticism and scholarly attempts to undermine the authenticity of the biblical text. Very thorough and very helpful.</dd><dt>
</dt><dt>Yamauchi, Edwin. The Stones and the Scriptures: An Introduction to Biblical Archaeology. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1972.</dt><dd>Quite thorough for an introduction, this book argues that archaeological discoveries continue to support the truth of the biblical text. </dd></dl>
 
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PP, I am 100% non-violent and I have nothing but wishes for ZIT or anyone else to have a happy, wonderful life.

I enjoy parody and humor and I consider no ox to be so sacred as to not receive at least a few pokes.

Some folks get flustered when their favorite ox is the one currently being prodded.

I'd have to say that's between them and their personal conscience.

My own identity can be just as easily blocked if anyone here finds themselves feeling burned by anything I post in this utterly non-serious cyber PoliticoPub

Sounds so nice... Except for when Barman is so hell-bent on stalking
people, that he follows them into other forums, and creates ID's for
the sole purpose of razzing them there.
 
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Gotta admit I really don't know if it can be a "pissing match" when I can't see nor read anything posted by ZIT.

When he began this thread here I took advantage of the Topic title to post a couple of links I've found useful.

I have no idea what ZIT has been saying within this thread, so if any of it splashed into your zone, please realize from where it came.

Not sure if I believe that he really has me on ignore. He still manages
to "piss on" me about 3-4 times per day, referring to me by name
in his posts - he also DOES see everything that I post that is quoted
by other people.

He can piss on me all he wants, he just needs to know that I'm going
to piss back, and I'm especially going to point out his blatant
hypocrisy.
 
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Since Barman continues to piss my way multiple times
per day, he is now on my ignore list.

Probably the biggest asshole I've ever met online.

Bye!!!

:howdy:
 

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Though I have no idea what Ignored ZIT is ranting about, it's still pretty cool to see a thread with MY name in it right at the top of the Ol' PoliticoPub
 
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http://www.unityinthepioneervalley.org/


Unity's Foundation Principles
1. There is only One Presence and One Power in the Universe, God the good, all-powerful, everywhere present.


2. The presence of God is within each person and in the Universe as divine potential/Divinity/ the Christ. Within each of us is the divine potential Jesus Christ expressed.



3. God operates in the Universe according to The Law of Mind Action. "Thoughts held in mind produce after their kind" and "whatever I give my attention to grow." I create my own experiences through what I think and what I truly believe, and I can change my experience by changin g my thoughts.


4. The tools by which we work the law are Denials and Affirmative Prayer. Prayer brings conscious contact with God. Affirmations and denials ('yes' and 'no' statement) affect my mind and therefore my thoughts and beliefs. Denials and affirmations change me, not God, and bring me into alignment with my Divine/Christ self.


5. Knowing and understanding the laws of life, also called Truth, are not enough. A person must also live the truth that he or she knows. We need to act the Truth.

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Religon with a twist of independence does'nt sound all bad to me....Like myself I don't believe in hell so to me theres no other way to go but up....I believe in evil but not hell or some guy in a red suit with horns I think that was made up to scare people into going to Church...You don't have to go to Church to believe in God...They've been saying the world is going to end for thousands of years but only God knows when so no sense worrying or running to Church about it.
 

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A simple review of Unity's founding principles (available via either of the links provided by me or PATPATRIOT) shows there is nothing more complicated than core Christian principles.

Fundy Christian sects are dismayed by Unity because they would rather Christianity be a much more complicated deal wherein non-believers are sent to a burning, flaming eternal Hell.

Those of us who know better know that God would never break the relationship with mankind in such a way and that Her eternal love and Her eternal forgiveness is a promise that we need never fear being broken.

The big question in our lives is, Will WE learn how to unconditionally love and to unconditionally forgive? Once we learn to apply those two principles (for a moment or for longer) we become one with Christ.


Really "Way Out There" thinking, eh?
 

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A simple review of Unity's founding principles (available via either of the links provided by me or PATPATRIOT) shows there is nothing more complicated than core Christian principles.

Fundy Christian sects are dismayed by Unity because they would rather Christianity be a much more complicated deal wherein non-believers are sent to a burning, flaming eternal Hell.

Those of us who know better know that God would never break the relationship with mankind in such a way and that Her eternal love and Her eternal forgiveness is a promise that we need never fear being broken.

The big question in our lives is, Will WE learn how to unconditionally love and to unconditionally forgive? Once we learn to apply those two principles (for a moment or for longer) we become one with Christ.


Really "Way Out There" thinking, eh?

I know you dont watch you tube clips, but this one is under 3 minutes and pretty much says exactly what your saying above. Although you already have a grasp of reality/fantasy its still nice to hear the truth, even thou we may already know it.

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Q95kX_EP2Nk&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344">
 

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Fletch I'm having some ISP probs and it's not loading at the moment. I'll check it out later this evening and comment.
 

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A simple review of Unity's founding principles (available via either of the links provided by me or PATPATRIOT) shows there is nothing more complicated than core Christian principles.

Fundy Christian sects are dismayed by Unity because they would rather Christianity be a much more complicated deal wherein non-believers are sent to a burning, flaming eternal Hell.

Those of us who know better know that God would never break the relationship with mankind in such a way and that Her eternal love and Her eternal forgiveness is a promise that we need never fear being broken.

The big question in our lives is, Will WE learn how to unconditionally love and to unconditionally forgive? Once we learn to apply those two principles (for a moment or for longer) we become one with Christ.


Really "Way Out There" thinking, eh?

Does this include obsessive Joe C smears for people who don't know what you are talking about? :lol:

It would be a special bonus if I kept you out of heaven. :toast:
 
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The problem with Barman's misguided cult, and those who can't see
it for what it is - is that God is a just God, that punishes evil
and evil people.

A God that gives hitler, murderers, rapists... their just reward.

But Barman's church teaches that there is no such thing as evil.
What a lie. You go to his church/cults web page, and their
philosophy is: everyone is perfect just the way they are.

Sounds good, feels nice - but it is a vicious lie. Tell that to
the child rapist that just raped your 12 year old daughter.

"Oh welcome to Barman's church, you are a perfect pedophile
killer, just the way you are"

That is just the tip of the iceberg as far as bad teachings in this
cult.
 

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clump....ZIT's fascination with the Christian sect of Unity has led to us now having THREE threads on the front page with my name included, if we give credit to CONDOLENCES BARDUDE from HuskyFan

solid
 

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