Baltimore prosecutor charges police with murder, manslaughter in death of Freddie Gray

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No legal right to chase a guy after a drug deal huh? Guess we'll see in the court room.

What drug deal or do you mean the one they forget to mention in their charging document which they submitted under oath.
 

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Like it or not but scumbag drug dealers have rights.
They may have rights, but with the rap sheet that this thug had, he lost his right to be left alone. His crimes had been escalating in recent weeks with the assault, property damage and robbery charges. You better believe the cops knew about it. In fact I'm sure they all knew this drug dealer by name. If these cops truly did something wrong (which I think they did) they should be punished for it. But just once I would like to see one of these cops do this to someone who isn't dealing drugs, committing some other crime or running from them. So far it hasn't happened. The black community should have a new slogan plastered on every street corner: "Don't fucking run!"
 

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A They didn't know he had a knife before they caught him.
B They didn't walk up to him or did they give him any type of command.

They had no legal right to chase him which is why only those two officers are being charged with charged with false imprisonment. Like it or not but scumbag drug dealers have rights.

I'm an attorney and I can assure you the officers had the right to chase Freddie - this cannot be debated

1) the area from where Freddie ran was a known drug hot spot (specifically, the actual alley)
2) these police actually know Freddie from past arrests
3) Freddie is a drug dealer (over 20 arrests mostly for possession or distribution) and Freddie is a known drug dealer
4) Freddie ran from the alley
5) it is logically to assume Freddie ran from the alley when he saw the police because he had drugs on him
6) the fact that no drugs were found is irrelevant (the purpose of the run was to toss his 8-ball)
7) when they caught him they had reasonable suspicion to search his body because he ran from a drug hot spot and his past KNOWN history
8) the police found a knife but no drugs
9) apparently, the knife was a legal knife that he was permitted to possess
10) whether or not the police knew the knife was legal and still arrested him or whether they truly thought it was illegal is totally unclear

I'm not saying the kid didn't get a "rough ride" and die in a freak accident - I'm just addressing the part about pursuing him
 

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Even the politically motivated DA isn't saying the police did not have the right to chase Freddie or search him - what the DA is alleging is that he should not have been arrested because the search of him revealed nothing illegal and running from police is not a crime
 

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I'm an attorney and I can assure you the officers had the right to chase Freddie - this cannot be debated

1) the area from where Freddie ran was a known drug hot spot (specifically, the actual alley)
2) these police actually know Freddie from past arrests
3) Freddie is a drug dealer (over 20 arrests mostly for possession or distribution) and Freddie is a known drug dealer
4) Freddie ran from the alley
5) it is logically to assume Freddie ran from the alley when he saw the police because he had drugs on him
6) the fact that no drugs were found is irrelevant (the purpose of the run was to toss his 8-ball)
7) when they caught him they had reasonable suspicion to search his body because he ran from a drug hot spot and his past KNOWN history
8) the police found a knife but no drugs
9) apparently, the knife was a legal knife that he was permitted to possess
10) whether or not the police knew the knife was legal and still arrested him or whether they truly thought it was illegal is totally unclear

I'm not saying the kid didn't get a "rough ride" and die in a freak accident - I'm just addressing the part about pursuing him

But when I say this, I'm an idiot. Thanks for bringing some common sense to the issue Seymour.
 

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In the 30 days since Freddie Gray died following injuries sustained in police custody, 34 people have been murdered in Baltimore, according to The Baltimore Sun. The city has seen more than 160 non-fatal shootings, a 60 percent increase from this time last year, and a 40 percent jump in homicides. Most of the latter happened in the Baltimore Police Department’s Western district—the same area where Gray was arrested. “What we’ve seen over the past few weeks will not be tolerated,” said Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake. “I want to assure the community that every available resource will be utilized to make our community safer.
 

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In the 30 days since Freddie Gray died following injuries sustained in police custody, 34 people have been murdered in Baltimore, according to The Baltimore Sun. The city has seen more than 160 non-fatal shootings, a 60 percent increase from this time last year, and a 40 percent jump in homicides. Most of the latter happened in the Baltimore Police Department’s Western district—the same area where Gray was arrested. “What we’ve seen over the past few weeks will not be tolerated,” said Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake. “I want to assure the community that every available resource will be utilized to make our community safer.

Is that true??...34 murders in 30 days...Holy shit.
 

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In the 30 days since Freddie Gray died following injuries sustained in police custody, 34 people have been murdered in Baltimore, according to The Baltimore Sun. The city has seen more than 160 non-fatal shootings, a 60 percent increase from this time last year, and a 40 percent jump in homicides. Most of the latter happened in the Baltimore Police Department’s Western district—the same area where Gray was arrested. “What we’ve seen over the past few weeks will not be tolerated,” said Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake. “I want to assure the community that every available resource will be utilized to make our community safer.

I guess black lives don't really matter, where's Sharpton and the rest of them?
 
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Is that true??...34 murders in 30 days...Holy shit.

You ever seen The Wire? Based on Baltimore.

People prolly think this is people going mad in relation to the riots. But I think it's because most of the cops in baltimore were down in the streets and the Avon Barksdale's and Marlo's of Baltimore felt comfortable killing while everyone was sidetracked.
 

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Poor neighborhoods will always be policed like none other, & bad things can & will happen when you have people that can't get jobs & cops that look down at these same people as criminals before even committing a crime.
 

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Poor neighborhoods will always be policed like none other, & bad things can & will happen when you have people that can't get jobs & cops that look down at these same people as criminals before even committing a crime.

Why cant they get jobs?
Why cant they stay in school and get an education?
Why do they have to commit crimes against each other, violence, rape, murder, etc.
Why aren't their neighborhoods clean and well kept?
Why are they sitting on corners, dealing drugs, blasting music?

Answer:

Personal choices and lack of responsibility.
 

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"choice" has a lot to do with it, some say dont know any better, not their fault, but again as in every thing or decision its a choice the WE make, weather wrong or right or good or bad, it all boils down to us and the "choice"
 
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Why cant they get jobs?
Why cant they stay in school and get an education?
Why do they have to commit crimes against each other, violence, rape, murder, etc.
Why aren't their neighborhoods clean and well kept?
Why are they sitting on corners, dealing drugs, blasting music?

Answer:

Personal choices and lack of responsibility.

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A They didn't know he had a knife before they caught him.
B They didn't walk up to him or did they give him any type of command.

They had no legal right to chase him which is why only those two officers are being charged with charged with false imprisonment. Like it or not but scumbag drug dealers have rights.

Absolutely 100% incorrect. Here is the narrative put forth by the prosecutor in the charging documents:

Lieutenant Brian Rice . . . while on bike patrol with Officers Garrett Miller and Edward Nero, made eye contact with [Gray]. Having made eye contact, Mr. Gray subsequently ran from Lt. Rice.

Lt. Rice then dispatched over a departmental radio that he was involved in a foot pursuit, at which time bike patrol Officers Miller and Nero also began to pursue Mr. Gray.

Having come in contact with the pursuing officers, Mr. Gray surrendered to Officers Miler and Nero

Officers Miller and Nero than placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket.


Whether they knew he had a knife is irrelevant in any jurisdiction in America. A lawful “Terry stop” can be made based upon reasonable suspicion, meaning a rational and articulable perception that an individual is acting suspiciously. It is legal to handcuff someone during a Terry stop.

Since Gray was a known drug dealer, it really isn't debatable that the officers acted reasonably. The officers did not arrest Gray when they discovered the knife. They stopped him.

Further, the knife was illegal under Baltimore code and so the false imprisonment charge is bogus.

This prosecutor is way, way out of her depth.
 

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Why cant they get jobs?
Why cant they stay in school and get an education?
Why do they have to commit crimes against each other, violence, rape, murder, etc.
Why aren't their neighborhoods clean and well kept?
Why are they sitting on corners, dealing drugs, blasting music?

Answer:

Personal choices and lack of responsibility.



Its called you're a product of your environment......you should be considered very lucky that you're not born & raised in environments like this.

The media portrays them as savages, Hollywood does the same......we are socially engineered & molded into thinking a certain way about black poor people from TV & social media.

I'm definitely not giving excuses for all the killing & burning down of buildings that they do......but you should try living in those neighborhoods for 1 year, then come back & talk to me about it.

Product of your environment is the bottom line in my discussion!
 

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Absolutely 100% incorrect. Here is the narrative put forth by the prosecutor in the charging documents:

Lieutenant Brian Rice . . . while on bike patrol with Officers Garrett Miller and Edward Nero, made eye contact with [Gray]. Having made eye contact, Mr. Gray subsequently ran from Lt. Rice.

Lt. Rice then dispatched over a departmental radio that he was involved in a foot pursuit, at which time bike patrol Officers Miller and Nero also began to pursue Mr. Gray.

Having come in contact with the pursuing officers, Mr. Gray surrendered to Officers Miler and Nero

Officers Miller and Nero than placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket.


Whether they knew he had a knife is irrelevant in any jurisdiction in America. A lawful “Terry stop” can be made based upon reasonable suspicion, meaning a rational and articulable perception that an individual is acting suspiciously. It is legal to handcuff someone during a Terry stop.

Since Gray was a known drug dealer, it really isn't debatable that the officers acted reasonably. The officers did not arrest Gray when they discovered the knife. They stopped him.

Further, the knife was illegal under Baltimore code and so the false imprisonment charge is bogus.

This prosecutor is way, way out of her depth.


I definitely think the prosecutor is deep into it.

2 scenarios, 1: rich man in Beverly Hills was convicted of a crime, did his time & is now out enjoying life, he's riding his bike in Beverly Hills & cops drive by, do they stop him? No, because he's white & in a rich neighborhood......

Scenario 2: black man never charged with a crime but is riding his bike down the street fast, cops spot him & give chase thinking he probably did something crooked & is in a bad neiborhood.......the black man is a product of his environment & will become a victim at the hands of the police.

TV has the biggest impact on the public's mind, we just don't realize how bad it really is.

As for Freddy Grays death, I believe the prosecutor will get convictions because of the possible black backlash it will cause if these officers walked away with a slap on their wrists.

If these cops don't get convicted, we will see rioting & chaos in several cities......& then Marshall law.

Then again, its just a matter of time before the US government installs federal police in every big city.
 

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And right on cue, Grand jury took away "false imprisonment" charges against officers in the indictments.
 

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So appropriate for Ms. Mosby who seems to be enjoying her new found fame to take the stage at the Prince concert in honor of Freddie Gray.
 

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Autopsy shows Freddie Gray died of 'high energy spinal injury' in the back of Baltimore police paddy wagon


  • Freddie Gray suffered a 'high-energy injury' while riding in a police van according to an autopsy report
  • The failure of officers to follow procedures means the death is a homicide the report states
  • Police arrested Gray, 25, on April 12 and he died a week later, prompting protests and rioting
  • A grand jury indicted six officers on various charges; one officer faces the most serious charge of second-degree 'depraved-heart' murder


By DAVID MCCORMACK FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 23:58, 23 June 2015 | UPDATED: 03:09, 24 June 2015





A medical examiner found Freddie Gray suffered a 'high-energy injury' while riding in a Baltimore police van and the failure of officers to follow procedures means the death is a homicide, according to an autopsy report.
Police arrested Gray, 25, on April 12 and he died a week later, prompting protests and rioting.
A grand jury indicted six officers on various charges; one officer faces the most serious charge of second-degree 'depraved-heart' murder. They have pleaded not guilty.
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Freddie Gray died on April 19 and according to new reports his autopsy reveals he suffered a 'high-energy injury' while riding in a Baltimore police van

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Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby has condemned the leak of the Freddie Gray autopsy report

The autopsy found the injury, similar to those suffered in shallow-water diving, was most likely caused when the van suddenly decelerated, reports The Baltimore Sun.
The report said Gray's death could not be ruled an accident and is instead a homicide because officers didn't follow safety procedures 'through acts of omission.'
A spokesman for the Maryland medical examiner and for the prosecutor's office declined on Tuesday to release the report, but State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby condemned the leak in a statement.
'I want to make it very clear that the state's attorney's office did not release the Freddie Gray autopsy report. As I have repeatedly stated, I strongly condemn anyone with access to trial evidence who has leaked information prior to the resolution of this case,' she said.
Attorneys for the officers released a joint statement saying they had not yet received the report, although Mosby is expected to turn it over to the defense by Friday. The defense attorneys said they believed only the prosecutor and the medical examiner's office had copies.


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Baltimore police officers, top row from left, Caesar R. Goodson Jr., Garrett E. Miller and Edward M. Nero, and bottom row from left, William G. Porter, Brian W. Rice and Alicia D. White, have been charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the police-custody death of Freddie Gray

The newspaper reported it obtained a copy of the autopsy and sources who verified it for the Sun requested anonymity because of the high-profile nature of the case.
Although officers loaded Gray into the van on his abdomen, the medical examiner surmised Gray may have gotten to his feet, then been thrown into a wall when the van abruptly changed direction.
Because Gray wasn't belted in and had his wrists and ankles shackled, he was 'at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van.'
Police and an attorney for the Gray family have said previously that Gray suffered a severe spine injury.
At the University of Maryland Medical Center, Gray tested positive for opiates and cannabinoid, according to the autopsy.
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Although officers loaded Gray into the van on his abdomen, the medical examiner surmised Gray may have gotten to his feet, then been thrown into a wall when the van abruptly changed direction

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Police arrested Freddie Gray, 25, on April 12 and he died a week later, prompting protests and rioting

According to the report's chronology:

  • Gray suffered no injuries to suggest a neck hold or anything stemming from physical restraint during his arrest. Assistant Medical Examiner Carol Allan noted that in bystander video, Gray is seen bearing weight on his legs and speaking as officers load him into the van.
  • The van made several stops. At the second stop, officers placed an identification band and leg restraints on Gray. 'Reportedly, Mr. Gray was still yelling and shaking the van. He was removed from the van and placed on the ground in a kneeling position, facing the van doors, while ankle cuffs were placed, and then slid onto the floor of the van, belly down and head first, reportedly still verbally and physically active.' The most significant injury to Gray may have occurred after this stop.
  • During a fourth stop, authorities said van driver Caesar Goodson called for help and Sgt. Alicia White got involved. 'The assisting officer opened the doors and observed Mr. Gray lying belly down on the floor with his head facing the cabin compartment, and reportedly he was asking for help, saying he couldn't breathe, couldn't get up, and needed a medic. The officer assisted Mr. Gray to the bench and the van continued on its way.'
  • When the van made a fifth stop to pick up a second arrestee, 'Mr. Gray was found kneeling on the floor, facing the front of the van and slumped over to his right against the bench, and reportedly appeared lethargic with minimal responses to direct questions.'
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Because Gray wasn't belted in and had his wrists and ankles shackled, he was 'at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van'



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