ATT: MARTHA RAMIREZ & AZDINE EL AMIN OF WAGERS PARADISE!!!

[truthteller]

Just thinking about what you said Peep makes me so angry. I wish shops you play with scammed you. How the phuck would you feel if after playing at a book that the RX recommended, you get scammed out of 5 dimes then the moderator comes in and say too bad, personal responsbility.

I have lost all respect for you and have to agree with Krackman.


No name calling please

[This message was edited by The General on 03-26-03 at 05:46 PM.]

 

[spidermonkey]

hey i am not blaming anyone here, except the lying bastards behind wagersparadise. No one made me deposit and play here, and i'm sure that when Shrink endorsed them he couldn't have predicted what would have happened...I'd just like as much information as I can get in recovering my $5K, futile or not

 

You don't like that you are responsible for your own gambling decisions truthteller, too bad.

We got stiffed by Wagers Paradise too, so apparently did Buckeye Sports. They came recommended by a trusted third party to both of us.

That's what happens in this industry. Nothing anyone can do about it.

I tried to put in place a guarantee for postup players with new books, everyone shot it down.

So we don't have one. Posters call, not mine. IF we would have had one in place, we would have had a reserve to pay people out of. Posters didn't want it.

 

If you don't think that books that advertise here can go broke, you are wrong.

Any book can go broke at any time. Whether they advertise here or not.

 

Stone Cold, we are doing what we can.

Truth be known, we would do the same if a poster were stiffed by a non-advertiser too. It is part of what we do.

 

[truthteller]

I take personal responsibility for my gambling decisions. That's why all my post up is in Australia right now.

I wasn't scammed by this outfit. However, why can't the RX take responsibilty for recommending this book to their readers? Taking money from these books should also come with it some responsibilty.

 

"Responsibility" is a word I view as "ability to respond".

We are responding in that we are attempting to pressure the owners to pay and we are attempting to negotiate takeovers of accounts by other books.

I would like to see us guarantee the first six months of a player's postup with a new book too, but as I said this met with much player opposition.

 

[Thrillseeker]

There were objections to the so-called "insurance" plan because

1) the book was PRO5 (for obvious reasons)

2)nobody on the site could give any sort of an adequate description of what this so-called insurance was, how it operated, who was providing it, etc. No offense, but it sounded a scam in itself. (I don't think it was, but the lack of detail isn't going to convince anyone that this "insurance" offered by some company in Lebanon or wherever it was, was actually a viable option.)

Don't get me wrong - the insurance may have been fine - and overall, I think it would be a great idea...however, the kinks need to be worked out of any "insurance" plan, and some details need to be provided before any serious players will get interested...

 

Because of lawyers and U.S. laws, the 3rd party escrow was going to have to be nebulous no matter what.

And gamblers are going to be skeptical no matter what.

Indeed, gamblers don't even trust the Pariaction trust fund which is audited by an accountant.

If we could have gotten it going with Pro 5, I think I could have sold Ken on doing it with all new books that come on board. No one likes to see a player get stiffed. We are players too as well as workers here.

 

[Ninja]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peep:
I tried to put in place a guarantee for postup players with new books, everyone shot it down.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's not really what happened. The Rx tried to bring the lying scammers Pro 5 back as advertisers and the posters rightfully shot that dumb idea down because they don't like to see lying scam books get any credibilty.........with or without any guarantee.

 

I think it is what happened Ninja.

And Pro 5 was the perfect book to start with, if any book needed a guarantee from a 3rd party it was them.

If I get a chance I'll do some links to old threads on it. Easy to see it was the concept that was attacked, the "how do we know"..

Pro 5 was tangential. The poster body would not have bought the 3rd party guarantee with any book.

One of my bookmaker buds claims this is because players like to gamble period LOL. Including with their choice of books.

 

[Thrillseeker]

I'll admit that the PRO5 part didn't bother me as much as not knowing any details on the insurance...

I have zero desire to play at PRO5, but they are still around, while NAB and WP have disappeared...

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
I take personal responsibility for my gambling decisions. That's why all my post up is in Australia right now.

I wasn't scammed by this outfit. However, why can't the RX take responsibilty for recommending this book to their readers? Taking money from these books should also come with it some responsibilty.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude give it up. You read a movie review giving two thumbs up in some magazine, you go see the movie and it's a piece of shit, do you ask the magazine to pay for the movie rental because you thought you got ****ed? It isn't the RX's fault that people turned bad. They can't read the future. They do the best they can, and there is no way you should see a cent from anyone other than the people who stole your money.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by truthteller:
I take personal responsibility for my gambling decisions. That's why all my post up is in Australia right now.

I wasn't scammed by this outfit. However, why can't the RX take responsibilty for recommending this book to their readers? Taking money from these books should also come with it some responsibilty.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Rx apologized for recommending the book. You are suggesting that taking responsibility entails insuring all post ups/winnings. If The Rx intended to provide an insurance policy, it would have stated their intent in no uncertain terms.

You state that you take "personal responsibility" for your gambling decisions. I imagine that you believe others should also take personal responsibility for their gambling decisions, instead of requesting that The Rx take responsibility for their decisions. The Rx did not force anyone to post up with WP, nor did The Rx make a decision for anyone.

 

The Prescription served as a notepad when WP was visiting with family instead of booking over the holidays. It was reported here. I do not know what more needed to be said.

Then Ken went public about WP not paying Ad fees. If that wasn't enough, then i do not know what it would take to steer you clear.

There were obvious signs of this demise.

 

[The Guesser]

I thik the RX has the responsibility to try and help out as best they can, through contacts, etc. As far as I can see, they are doing so. They should be active in trying to set up bail out plan(s) through sponsor books, etc. But that's as far as their responsibility goes. We who posted up at WP knew the risk that goes with any new book. We took it, we have to live with it, doesn't mean we have to like it or accept it.
As far as the escrow, I sincerely believe that had it been proposed for anyone but Pro 5, it would have met with enormous approval. Pro 5 is poison, and no one wanted anything to do with them. I understand Peep's point about that's the type of book that needs the escrow, but any connection with Pro 5 turned everybody off, and for Peep to keep saying no one wanted it isn't right, IMO. No one wanted the Pro 5 Connection. Try it with a Hollywood, and see the different reaction you'd get.

 

Guesser, I have brought the topic up several times in the last few months.

And you are the first poster to actually come out and say you think it would work with a different book than Pro 5.

I should know, because I have been looking for a little encouragement.

 

why don t we ask the real question? WHY DOES SHRINK TAKE ON THESE SHIT BOOKS IN THE FIRSTY PLACE? I can remember it ver clearly how Shrink plugged this book as very solid and how he was vbery impressed with them ? What a fu cking crock of anus waste!

What good is it when Shrink comes in with a new advertising book and says how wonderful they are only to take it all back a few months later... P A T H E T I C

 

[truthteller]

Shrink,

What's your email. Important info I have on these scammers

 

[GettinShafted]

truthteller,
Is the news you emailed Shrink helpful to us?
Thanks!!!!
$3400 and still waiting.