Atlanta Braves plane isn't going to land in Arizona til very very late tonight.. D'backs tomorrow

[tommyjohn44]

If this was an afternoon game then I might worry about jet lag. But a 2 hour flight and getting to bed at 3AM for a game that starts at 7PM local time doesn't concern me all that much. So you sleep until noon (most guys probably slept on the plane too), and you've then got 3 or so hours before you need to be at the ballpark. Nothing that these guys haven't been through before.

 

[Objection]

the Braves landed at 1:48 am Mountain time

 

[BadCo]

I am sure Lowe was in Phoenix resting comfortably as his team was playing last night.

Lowe is on a roll having given up two or fewer runs in four of his last five starts.

Arizona hit only .194 against Derek Lowe in 2007 and just marginally better in 2008, when the D-backs managed a .215 average. That doesn't bode well for Dan Haren getting any run support from his teammates on Thursday, so this could be yet another case where he pitches just fine and yet ends up with little to show for it.

If you throw out Haren's last game vs former team he is still solid as look at his whip...... 0.90.

Haren allowed five runs on nine hits through seven innings Saturday against the A's.
He was spared the loss when the A's bullpen imploded. If there were a positive in the game, it would be that he struck out seven and walked none. If there were a negative, it would be the four home runs allowed, which was the most he has ever allowed in a game


Under seems to be the play,don't let the 7.5 scare you.

 

[gynecologist]

I think a bet against them on saturday is good too.

 

[georgiasluke]

Johnson, McCann and Anderson all had the day off yesterday with the exception of a couple of pinch-hit ab's, for what it's worth.

gluke

 

[FBEye]

people it is not 2 months into the season....fatigue should not be an issue. If it were mid to late August with the heat and humidity, then this sitiuation would have more betting variables conducive to a D-Backs bet...just my .02

 

[BadCo]

Pregame notes: Dan Haren hasn't won since May 2. He gave up five runs, nine hits and four home runs in seven innings Saturday against Oakland. In three career starts against the Braves, Haren is 2-1 with a 6.88 ERA. In 30 at-bats, Atlanta OF Garret Anderson has hit .367 against Haren.

In his first season in Atlanta, Derek Lowe has been strong. He's 4-1 with a 3.74 ERA in five May starts. He pitched into the seventh inning in four of those contests. In 17 career starts against Arizona, Lowe is 6-7 with a 3.66 ERA. The Diamondbacks have hit 10 home runs off Lowe, more than any other NL club. SS Stephen Drew is 14 for 27 (.519) against Lowe.

Braves at the plate: The Braves seldom win with power. They entered Wednesday with just 33 home runs, 13th in the National League. Nor do they win often with speed. They had stolen just 10 bases, worst in the NL. (The major-league average is 31.) INF Omar Infante is hitting .349, but he is out because of a hand injury. 3B Chipper Jones and C Brian McCann also have battled injuries, but both are hitting over. 300.

Braves on the mound: Atlanta starters entered Wednesday with a 3.93 ERA but have yet to throw a complete game. The Diamondbacks will see the Braves' best in Lowe, Jair Jurrjens and Javier Vazquez. The bullpen, with a 4.53 ERA, is shaky. Closer Mike Gonzalez had blown three saves.

Braves overall: With their injuries, the Braves have done well to stay over .500 and in contention in the NL East. They're going to need more offense, however, to challenge the Phillies and Mets.

 

[BadCo]

<table class="datatable" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="10">ATLANTA - Current Season Performance</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team Records</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Opponent</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">W-L</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Units</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">O-U</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Avg</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Avg</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="matchupCells">23-23</td><td class="matchupCells">-3.5</td><td class="matchupCells">21-23</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="matchupCells">0.260</td><td class="matchupCells">0.334</td><td class="matchupCells">4.5</td><td class="good">0.251</td><td class="matchupCells">0.324</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Road Games</td><td class="matchupCells">12-11</td><td class="matchupCells">+1.2</td><td class="matchupCells">11-12</td><td class="matchupCells">4.5</td><td class="matchupCells">0.253</td><td class="matchupCells">0.328</td><td class="matchupCells">4.4</td><td class="good">0.251</td><td class="matchupCells">0.320</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">vs Right-handed Starters</td><td class="matchupCells">12-17</td><td class="matchupCells">-8.3</td><td class="matchupCells">9-18</td><td class="bad">3.5</td><td class="matchupCells">0.253</td><td class="matchupCells">0.325</td><td class="matchupCells">4.4</td><td class="good">0.244</td><td class="matchupCells">0.317</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Past 7 Games</td><td class="matchupCells">3-4</td><td class="matchupCells">-1.5</td><td class="matchupCells">3-3</td><td class="bad">2.9</td><td class="bad">0.223</td><td class="bad">0.266</td><td class="matchupCells">4.6</td><td class="bad">0.275</td><td class="matchupCells">0.341</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Grass Games</td><td class="matchupCells">23-23</td><td class="matchupCells">-3.5</td><td class="matchupCells">21-23</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="matchupCells">0.260</td><td class="matchupCells">0.334</td><td class="matchupCells">4.5</td><td class="good">0.251</td><td class="matchupCells">0.324</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Night Games</td><td class="matchupCells">15-16</td><td class="matchupCells">-4.3</td><td class="matchupCells">11-18</td><td class="bad">3.6</td><td class="bad">0.243</td><td class="matchupCells">0.319</td><td class="good">4.1</td><td class="good">0.240</td><td class="good">0.315</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="19">ATLANTA - Team Hitting and Fielding Statistics</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader">Team Batting</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="15">Team Batting</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team Fielding</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">AVG</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">G</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">AB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">H</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">EB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">HR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">/AB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">RBI</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SO</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">LOB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">GIDP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ERR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">DP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OSB</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="matchupCells">0.260</td><td class="matchupCells">0.334</td><td class="matchupCells">46</td><td class="matchupCells">1536</td><td class="matchupCells">399</td><td class="matchupCells">127</td><td class="bad">33</td><td class="matchupCells">0.02</td><td class="matchupCells">185</td><td class="matchupCells">171</td><td class="matchupCells">281</td><td class="bad">10</td><td class="matchupCells">336</td><td class="matchupCells">46</td><td class="good">26</td><td class="matchupCells">37</td><td class="matchupCells">24</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Road Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.5</td><td class="matchupCells">0.253</td><td class="matchupCells">0.328</td><td class="matchupCells">23</td><td class="matchupCells">794</td><td class="matchupCells">201</td><td class="matchupCells">73</td><td class="matchupCells">22</td><td class="matchupCells">0.03</td><td class="matchupCells">101</td><td class="matchupCells">88</td><td class="matchupCells">153</td><td class="bad">4</td><td class="bad">174</td><td class="good">17</td><td class="good">9</td><td class="matchupCells">16</td><td class="matchupCells">14</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Righty Starters</td><td class="bad">3.5</td><td class="matchupCells">0.253</td><td class="matchupCells">0.325</td><td class="matchupCells">29</td><td class="matchupCells">953</td><td class="bad">241</td><td class="bad">78</td><td class="bad">22</td><td class="matchupCells">0.02</td><td class="bad">94</td><td class="matchupCells">102</td><td class="good">172</td><td class="bad">7</td><td class="matchupCells">204</td><td class="bad">33</td><td class="good">15</td><td class="matchupCells">20</td><td class="matchupCells">14</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="16">ATLANTA - Bullpen Pitching Statistics</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ERA</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">WHIP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">IP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">R</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ER</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">H</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">HR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SO</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">W-L</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SV</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BSV</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Pct.</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.59</td><td class="matchupCells">1.500</td><td class="matchupCells">135.3</td><td class="matchupCells">76</td><td class="matchupCells">69</td><td class="matchupCells">139</td><td class="good">8</td><td class="matchupCells">64</td><td class="good">125</td><td class="matchupCells">6-5</td><td class="matchupCells">11</td><td class="matchupCells">5</td><td class="matchupCells">68.8%</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Road Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.53</td><td class="matchupCells">1.460</td><td class="matchupCells">61.6</td><td class="matchupCells">31</td><td class="matchupCells">31</td><td class="matchupCells">63</td><td class="good">5</td><td class="matchupCells">27</td><td class="matchupCells">53</td><td class="matchupCells">2-2</td><td class="matchupCells">6</td><td class="matchupCells">3</td><td class="matchupCells">66.7%</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td class="copy"><hr></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="10">ARIZONA - Current Season Performance</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team Records</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Opponent</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">W-L</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Units</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">O-U</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Avg</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Avg</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="matchupCells">20-27</td><td class="matchupCells">-8.8</td><td class="matchupCells">21-23</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="bad">0.237</td><td class="bad">0.311</td><td class="matchupCells">4.9</td><td class="matchupCells">0.267</td><td class="matchupCells">0.331</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Home Games</td><td class="matchupCells">10-17</td><td class="matchupCells">-10.8</td><td class="matchupCells">16-10</td><td class="matchupCells">4.6</td><td class="matchupCells">0.255</td><td class="matchupCells">0.331</td><td class="bad">5.9</td><td class="bad">0.276</td><td class="matchupCells">0.336</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">vs Right-handed Starters</td><td class="matchupCells">15-17</td><td class="matchupCells">-1.8</td><td class="matchupCells">16-14</td><td class="matchupCells">4.8</td><td class="bad">0.248</td><td class="bad">0.314</td><td class="matchupCells">5.0</td><td class="matchupCells">0.273</td><td class="matchupCells">0.334</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Past 7 Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4-3</td><td class="matchupCells">+1</td><td class="matchupCells">4-3</td><td class="matchupCells">4.9</td><td class="matchupCells">0.257</td><td class="matchupCells">0.326</td><td class="bad">5.6</td><td class="bad">0.281</td><td class="matchupCells">0.338</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Grass Games</td><td class="matchupCells">20-27</td><td class="matchupCells">-8.8</td><td class="matchupCells">21-23</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="bad">0.237</td><td class="bad">0.311</td><td class="matchupCells">4.9</td><td class="matchupCells">0.267</td><td class="matchupCells">0.331</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Night Games</td><td class="matchupCells">14-19</td><td class="matchupCells">-5.9</td><td class="matchupCells">14-17</td><td class="bad">4.2</td><td class="bad">0.243</td><td class="bad">0.309</td><td class="matchupCells">4.9</td><td class="matchupCells">0.265</td><td class="matchupCells">0.323</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="19">ARIZONA - Team Hitting and Fielding Statistics</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader">Team Batting</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="15">Team Batting</td><td class="matchupSubHeader" colspan="3">Team Fielding</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Runs</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">AVG</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OBP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">G</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">AB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">H</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">EB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">HR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">/AB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">RBI</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SO</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">LOB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">GIDP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ERR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">DP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">OSB</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.3</td><td class="bad">0.237</td><td class="bad">0.311</td><td class="matchupCells">47</td><td class="matchupCells">1601</td><td class="bad">380</td><td class="good">158</td><td class="matchupCells">50</td><td class="matchupCells">0.03</td><td class="matchupCells">190</td><td class="matchupCells">170</td><td class="bad">373</td><td class="matchupCells">39</td><td class="matchupCells">330</td><td class="good">34</td><td class="bad">40</td><td class="matchupCells">47</td><td class="matchupCells">30</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Home Games</td><td class="matchupCells">4.6</td><td class="matchupCells">0.255</td><td class="matchupCells">0.331</td><td class="matchupCells">27</td><td class="matchupCells">918</td><td class="matchupCells">234</td><td class="good">100</td><td class="matchupCells">30</td><td class="matchupCells">0.03</td><td class="matchupCells">117</td><td class="matchupCells">105</td><td class="matchupCells">189</td><td class="matchupCells">19</td><td class="bad">205</td><td class="good">20</td><td class="matchupCells">18</td><td class="matchupCells">27</td><td class="matchupCells">19</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Righty Starters</td><td class="matchupCells">4.8</td><td class="bad">0.248</td><td class="bad">0.314</td><td class="matchupCells">32</td><td class="matchupCells">1123</td><td class="matchupCells">278</td><td class="good">117</td><td class="matchupCells">39</td><td class="matchupCells">0.03</td><td class="matchupCells">148</td><td class="matchupCells">108</td><td class="bad">264</td><td class="matchupCells">24</td><td class="matchupCells">225</td><td class="good">19</td><td class="bad">29</td><td class="matchupCells">35</td><td class="matchupCells">22</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupBorder"><table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="matchupHeader" colspan="16">ARIZONA - Bullpen Pitching Statistics</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupSubHeader"> </td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ERA</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">WHIP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">IP</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">R</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">ER</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">H</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">HR</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BB</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SO</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">W-L</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">SV</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">BSV</td><td class="matchupSubHeader">Pct.</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">All Games</td><td class="bad">5.23</td><td class="bad">1.606</td><td class="matchupCells">146.3</td><td class="bad">91</td><td class="bad">85</td><td class="bad">169</td><td class="good">13</td><td class="matchupCells">66</td><td class="matchupCells">121</td><td class="matchupCells">8-6</td><td class="matchupCells">14</td><td class="matchupCells">6</td><td class="matchupCells">70%</td></tr><tr><td class="matchupCells Text">Home Games</td><td class="bad">6.32</td><td class="bad">1.628</td><td class="matchupCells">89.7</td><td class="bad">67</td><td class="bad">63</td><td class="bad">109</td><td class="matchupCells">9</td><td class="matchupCells">37</td><td class="matchupCells">66</td><td class="matchupCells">4-2</td><td class="matchupCells">5</td><td class="matchupCells">5</td><td class="bad">50%</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[DoggieInvestor]

I like Arizona team total over 4

gl.

 

[Objection]

for those of you involved in totals the roof is supposed to be open tonight

 

[tijuana dirtbag]

D. Lowe is a decent pitcher. Maybe take Atlanta and the over 7.5.

 

[gynecologist]

people it is not 2 months into the season....fatigue should not be an issue. If it were mid to late August with the heat and humidity, then this sitiuation would have more betting variables conducive to a D-Backs bet...just my .02

Couldn't disagree more.. Especially when teams haven't had a day off in 2 weeks, couldn't possibly disagree more.

 

[gynecologist]

Congrats to those who cashed on the solid advice I gave here..

Fairly easy win as well, Haren pitched a gem like usual.

 

[gynecologist]

Wow you can't win on these forums.. Give out solid information, the team wins and you still get fucked with..

Mind boggling..

 

[gynecologist]

Another thing, I did mention Haren's better stats than Lowe's, also mentioned that the D'Backs offense has been doing better as of late...

But anyway, like I said, there is no winning on these forums.. NONE

 

[kidslick]

Wow you can't win on these forums.. Give out solid information, the team wins and you still get fucked with..

Mind boggling..

gyno you have to take this in stride.

shitt I remember when you first started posting.

Its all good

I know you have used this angle/info on games. I don't agree with it
but I felt this was a good spot for Haren

I personally have been on the verlander wagon since april 27

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7590

 

[gynecologist]

gyno you have to take this in stride.

shitt I remember when you first started posting.

Its all good

I know you have used this angle/info on games. I don't agree with it
but I felt this was a good spot for Haren

I personally have been on the verlander wagon since april 27

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7590

I respect the fact you dont agree with it. If we all agreed life would be boring.. But Haren -120 at home vs an average team who has played non-stop for two weeks sounds like a good bet to me...

 

[Nicky49]

Any win is a good win no matter what the reason is. Nice win Doc.

 

[gynecologist]

Thank you my brother..

 

[gynecologist]

thats what long-term losers say and never learn or better themself

What made ATL such a great wager tonight?