Anyone here ever gotten audited by the IRS?

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You know.. now that I think about it... maybe it would not be such a bad idea to have a local Costarican withdraw your gambling winnings locally from a NETeller debit card. Accrue your winnings, and come pick up once every 6 months. Pay the guy a commission, you fly down every now and then, he flies up every now and then.

No bank records.

This would definitely be worthwhile, but only if your winnings merited it.
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I got audited about 9 years ago. But it was basically because I was gambling on greyhounds back then and had quite a few big trifectas and superfecta payouts as well as 2 pick 6 payouts, although one pick 6 only paid $1200.


The MAIN reason why I got audited was because of my deductions. But because I had a friedn who ran into trouble the year before that, I was ready.

I wont explain my story here too much but will explain his story below. But first, I was OK except for excessive deductions so I only had to pay $900, not bad, and in all honesty, it could have been more, but who saves all of the small winners from the track.



Anyway, here is an interesting story for you professional gamblers who plan on deductions. Well, first of all this guy was a big trifecta better in dogs and horses. He usually bet $36 wheels, or when you have 4 horses for first, 5 for second and 5 for third. He took alot of dogs so when they came in he did real well. He also did this for superfectacas as well, but his usual bet on those was about $54 or $72 I think.


Anyway, well he had quite a few trifecta payouts of over $600 throughout the year, maybe about 75 of them or so. He loved that satelitte betting!!!! Anyway, he routinely saved his losing tickets for possible deductions, but this year, he didnt have enough losing tickets so LATE in DECEMBER of that year, he hit the track to bet and "pick up" some tickets. I should also say that he did hit the pick 6 that year at the dog track for I believe $32,000 or so. SO obviously, he needed quite a few losing tickets to make up for his winnings.


Well he decided to just take tickets that were discarded from betters at the track during the month of December all the while also betting himself. Well in the end, he had enough losers to offset the winners or at least it was close!

Now comes the problem. When you file, you dont send in those losing tickets. Those are to be saved for 3 years in case of audit. SO he got audited hte next year and arrived at the audit with everything. Now the auditor was not a gambling expert so he took all necc documention to another agent. After spending only about 30 minutes looking at the tickets, so they busted my buddy. How did it happen?????



Well since he was betting all year long as well as the previous year, he had set a pattern of his normal bets. So he usually bet trifectas, superfectas and pick 6 and pick 3 bets. Each ticket usually cost about $36-72 so those tickets were fairly easy to count and were believeable. What was NOT believeable was that ALL OF A SUDDEN in December, he has his normal betting tickets along with a bunch of $2-10 WPS tickets. It WAS obvious that these were not his tickets, but he still tried to defend that the tickets were his. NOW, how was he busted this time I ask???????



Well they took the time to check the time stamp and teller number on the tickets. Well my buddy didnt think about that soince he cant be in 2 places at once, much less 10 different windows on EVERY SINGLE RACE!!!!



Well the end of this resulted in such a big fine and he wouldnt even divulge the amount. But lets just say that he ended up not making any money on gambling that year!



SO the moral of the story is that the IRS has agents who have SEEN EVERYTHING!! Dont try and pass off other betters tickets as yours if you have shown a pattern in your betting in the past

[This message was edited by playersonly69 on December 11, 2003 at 02:17 AM.]
 

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MY audit was done in person as I think most audits are, unless they are of low risk. Keep in mind that to be non-discriminatory, the IRS will randomly choose some people but even they know that they everything will be correct with those returns. It actually serves as good PR for the IRS for people to tell other people that they got audited and nothing became of it!


But as soon as they see those W forms on your return, then they take a closer look
 

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only twice

once when i won my nets to hawk a lugie bet +897,000 through betus.com and once through riverboat casino other than that ive been audit free
 

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One more thing, I forgot a KEY fact taht most people forget when they file their taxes. Well actually 2 general statements, but htey follow along the same path.



1. ANYTHING income is taxable!!!!!!!! If you have a garage sale and you turn a profit, then that is earned income and should be reported. EBAY sales are CERTAINLY earned income and need to be reported. Of course no one does this, but keep that general rule in mind when you start ot do your taxes. If the auditor asks you if you sell ANYTHING on the net, say no!



2. One major thing that people dont take into account when they file their gambling winnings at the track are the small winners! Just because you didnt win $600 or more doesnt mean that it is not taxable!!!1 So when you get in your audit, the guy will ask you how much money you made from your small winners. I cant tell you how many times I won like $575 from a trifecta and of course didnt report it. But you get the idea. When you arrive at the audit with JUST enough losing tickets to offset your winnings, well the agent will ask you about your other winnings where the taxes where not reported. That is where my $900 penalty came from. It really should have been more I think.



3. If the above example didnt exaplin it correctly, look at it this way. If you win over $600 or maybe it is $1000 in the state lottery, well they report that you won that amount. SO then people will start saving all losing tickets to offset that big winner. But of course what they dont realize in the audit is that you may have 3000 losing tickets to offset a $3000 winner, but it is obvious that you ALSO won a shitload of small winners as well in 3000 tickets, but of course you didnt even bother to report those winnings.

AND YES you do have to pay to pay taxes on a $2 winning lottery ticket.
 

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Illnois is one you pay taxes on all winning no deduction formoneylost dont remmeber percent 2.5 or 3
 

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ellen,

So in Illinois, (for state purposes) you don't need a record of losses since you are taxed on ANY winnings? That sounds strange to me, but I'll take your word for it.
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Make it easier. Move to Canada where we don't pay taxes on lottery winnings!

The gambling thing I'm not sure about. I am being audited right now for last year, and I handed them my book with all my records. The auditor just looked at it and said they would get back to me. It has been 3 weeks now and no word! No news is probably bad news!
 

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No news is usually good news with the IRS. Means they are probably putting yours on the back burner because it's too much work for little money.
If you document everything, bets, checks received, neteller transactions, bets with local bookie, etc., etc. You will be fine as long as you are honest. Just report as gambling winnings on your regular tax return.
 

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gamblers, do not sweat the irs, i know IRS agents and I know pepole who all they do is gamble for a living, basically don't deposit a lot of money in to your bank account and remember the last thing the irs wants to do is to take on gamblers because it is almost impossible for them to prove how much you have won and lost, you can always say you went to your local casino and lost a bunch, just withdraw money from the casino atm and use it as losses, judges know %99 of people who gamble don't have a log book of every bet they ever made, or very dime they ever played with in vegas, agents have told me the irs will simply not waste their time on trying to take gamblers to court and have them pay taxes on winnings cause it is so hard to prove.
 

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aa, if you are sweating juice from casino atms then you definitley don't have to worry about the irs, don't even think about the irs unless you are winning $50,000 plus a year.
 

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