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Received the following from Tom O'Malley,
who was a Director with S.W. BELL in Mexico City:...
"I spent five years working in Mexico . I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.
"During that six months our Mexican and U.S. attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a 'FM3'. It was in addition to my U.S. passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same, except hers did not permit her to work.
"To apply for the FM3, I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies):
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from the St. Louis Chief of Police indicating that I had no arrest record in the U.S.
and no outstanding warrants and, was "a citizen in good standing".
7. "Finally, I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican citizen with
my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico . We called it our 'I am the greatest person on Earth' letter. It was fun to write."

"All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal
translations, and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side & Spanish on the right."
"Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours, accompanied by a Mexican attorney, touring Mexican government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times at each location, and we remember at least four locations where we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by U.S. Customs in Laredo , Texas . This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid."
"We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law."
"We were required to get a Mexican driver's license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their photography and fingerprint equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our U.S. license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was to never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back. "

"We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually."
"The FM3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees."
"Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no
outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs."
"It was a real adventure and if any of our Senators or Congressmen went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico ."
"The Mexican government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and
compliant. They never protest at their capitol or government offices, but do protest daily in front of the
United States Embassy. The U.S. Embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican military surrounds the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on U.S. or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas ."
Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on the illegals.
 
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39780.html



Gay partner bill adds to immigration fight - Scott Wong - POLITICO.com
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Legislation would grant gay and lesbian Americans ability to legally bring foreign partners to U.S.


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RR: I laud your efforts to get the facts out there on this timely topic. The letter from the SW Bell employee is dynamic to say the least and shows how one sided our border laws are regarding leaving, residing and returning are concerned. I guess the illegal aliens would have to sign an I am the greatest landscaper letter or I am the cheapest construction worker letter.
Pathetic and sad that so many Presidents and members of Congress let this situation get to where it is today. A snowball has grown into a huge avalanche that threatens everything this country USED to stand for. Meanwhile we have a lawsuit against a border state for trying to enforce already existing Federal laws. We need reprical laws that match those of our bordering countries, no more or less should even be under cosideration. Amnesty for illegals who knowingly broke our laws should be allowed much less tolerated.
 

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Kill two birds with one stone

Ike installed Operation Wetback back in 1953. The Wetbacks were put on boxcars and then unloaded 500 miles south of the Rio Grande.The rest scurried away like cockroaches. That was only 57 years ago. What we need is Operation Wetback 2. The border states need to call out the National Guard to protect the border since our Federal Government will not. Besides unemployment among Americans would drop to basically zero. Just what did 30 million Mexicans ever make better ?
 
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ROBIN WILLIAMS SAYS


YOU HAVE TO LOVE HIM...A MUST READ...READ THIS!
HE MADE THIS SPEECH IN NEW YORK ...


The Plan!

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says 'I love New York ' in Arabic.

You gotta love Robin Williams........Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

'I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.'


1) 'The US, UK , CANADA and AUSTRALIA will apologize to the world for our 'interference' in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good 'ole' boys', we will never 'interfere' again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting withGermany, South Korea , the Middle East, and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are from. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.










4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign 'students' over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D' and it's back home baby.






6) The US, UK , CANADA and AUSTRALIA will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not 'interfere.' They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens..

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us 'Ugly Americans' any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE.
Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
'The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' '


If you agree with the above, forward it to friends....If not, and I would be amazed if you DELETED it!!
 

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Williams pretty much has it down pat. What I like about what he is doing and saying is that although he is a celebrity he is not just being a lead dog or an attention getter, he is presenting some framework to work from. The word "interfere" is defined from our point of view for a change. He is absolutely correct as he is saying it is time for us to take care of ourselves first and foremost for a change and to quit aplogizing to the world once and for all. I like his 90 day plan on the illegal immigraton problem. One thing I did not hear from the President of Mexico when his buddy Obama set the stage for him to unload on Arizona was an apology from him and his country for allowing their citizens to storm our country illegally. Let him deal with the problems that arise when his citizens return home and he has to deal with them and accept responsibility for them. Mexico cannot afford to support them as their economy is a sham and they damned sure can't throw entitilement programs to them because Mexico cannot afford it. Well, either can we.
In this game of poltical tag I think we could at that time say to the President of Mexico, here you go bubba you're it.
 

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Question: How does an illegal immigrant obtain a social security number? Are these all fake and if so how easy is it to:
1. obtain one if legal
2. tell if it is genuine or fake
3. how easy to get a fake one
4. can employers be held liable for not detecting a fake on or reporting one they are aware of.

Arizona passed a law a couple years ago that holds employers liable if they hire workers who don't have valid documentation. Sadly though, very few have yet to be held liable.
 

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FWIW I am against illegal immigration. But those of you posting about Robin Williams Peace Plan? It makes me wonder how many other falsehoods are dumped into this beast of a thread. A thread I check twice a month, which is probably twice more than most posters yet it keeps getting bumped.

I didn't really have to go to Snopes as after reading one line I knew it wasn't RW. Even worse this E-Rumor is 7 years old. Some of you guys are so gullible:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp
 

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Arizona passed a law a couple years ago that holds employers liable if they hire workers who don't have valid documentation. Sadly though, very few have yet to be held liable.

No excuse for that in my opinion. Everyone should be held accountable including the enablers. However, from talking to local policemen they say it is damned hard to differentiate valid I.D. from fake anymore. They have it down pat.
 

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Great video reeler. This goes on everywhere, everyday in this country. This robs taxpaying U.S. citizens of jobs and the contractors who hire them, subcontractors and general contractors alike, need to pay a price and answer to accountability. Hiring is just as illegal as the immigration and it is the dangling carrot that attracts illegal workers. These guys even work on government projects no doubt. Only in America.
 
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FWIW I am against illegal immigration. But those of you posting about Robin Williams Peace Plan? It makes me wonder how many other falsehoods are dumped into this beast of a thread. A thread I check twice a month, which is probably twice more than most posters yet it keeps getting bumped.

I didn't really have to go to Snopes as after reading one line I knew it wasn't RW. Even worse this E-Rumor is 7 years old. Some of you guys are so gullible:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp[/
Who checks Snopes to see if they are accurate?... Whether of not the story is true I like it & I think most everybody else does too & thats all that counts..
 

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