why make the third td meaning less yes you can miss on your third td and lose by two.......but if you fuck it up by missing the first two game is over this way u have a chance to tie...........hence your third td has meaning and u have to convert the two..........but if you miss on your first two td's game over if you score a third td it dont matter............unless you wanna get on onside kick and hail mary
Boy, would I love to get YOU in a poker game. If you kick to cut the score to 15, then kick again to cut the score to 8, YOUR TEAM IS STILL IN THE GAME. YOU KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THE DEFENSE. YOUR TEAM HAS THE MOMENTUM. If you go for two after the first score and miss, your team loses the momentum, and you essentially have to score FOUR TIMES. Two TDs, and two two-point conversions. And if you fail on ANY of the four scores, game over, you lose, go home.
Allworld
You may be right about the two point conversion strategy afterall it is a judgement question in the end, but you ruin your chances of being taken seriously by being so arrogant. HinesWard feels strongly and makes his point without acting like he invented the game of football. He offers a viable and civil argument about his opinion on the subject.
Steak Tartar is one of the most respected people in the Offshore industry and runs one of the most well run books now operating in Latin America, I have been head mod here for 2 and a half years and betting football for over 40 years. Those things in themselves don't make us right but to just jump into a thread and insult people who are having a civil discussion like you did in post #18 is simply rude and ignorant.
Now the thread is out of hand and in the rubber room, nice job.
wilheim.
You may be right about the two point conversion strategy afterall it is a judgement question in the end, but you ruin your chances of being taken seriously by being so arrogant. HinesWard feels strongly and makes his point without acting like he invented the game of football. He offers a viable and civil argument about his opinion on the subject.
Steak Tartar is one of the most respected people in the Offshore industry and runs one of the most well run books now operating in Latin America, I have been head mod here for 2 and a half years and betting football for over 40 years. Those things in themselves don't make us right but to just jump into a thread and insult people who are having a civil discussion like you did in post #18 is simply rude and ignorant.
Now the thread is out of hand and in the rubber room, nice job.
wilheim.
Even though this is now in the Rubber Room hopefully this discussion can continue. I do not agree with the momentum argument at all here, if anything there is a bigger momentum blow if you go and miss after the third td than there is after the first td because if you miss after the first td you still have a chance.
Further, is the fact that you still do have a chance to tie the game in three scores if you go and miss after the first TD, whereas if you go and miss after the second or third TD you will need four scores now.
Again in context to the momentum argument, does that mean that a defense is not as likely to stop you after the third TD than they are after the first TD? I doubt it. Does it mean that suddenly your performance is elevated while their performance suffers? Again, don't see how that can be argued or validated in any way.
Now granted my argument is if you are down 22 with under 10 minutes to go in the game when there are just 3 or 4 more possessions for you to have a chance to score on. I do not agree with this argument if you are down 22 with more than 10 minutes remaining in the 4th because there are more chances to score and points are more important.
In a related argument, I also believe that some teams should go for two every time. Mainly the ones that have power running games or are legitimate dual threats at all times. This is further enhanced if you have a shaky kicker. A team like LSU or UF should definitely go for two after every TD because they have a better than 50% chance of getting the 2 pts after the TD. The penultimate team for this was the 2005 Texas Longhorns as they had a power running game, a dual threat QB, and a kicker in David Pino that missed something like 9 XP's on the season. Alas Mack Brown is less than smart so we never got the chance to see it would have worked (though I would say with 95% certainty that they would definitely have more points on the season if they went for two after every TD than if they just kicked the XP)
hines here is the point i and coaches and few others are trying to make......you are down 22 with say midaway thru the third u may get 3 possesions u have to think positive if you are coaching u will score other team wont........u score a td u go for two u miss ok now down 16 u score another td go for two miss now down 10 your last chance td to tie the game is now meaningless u can no longer tie.....but if u go for one down 15 score again go for one down 8 now on your last td you can tie the game go into OT..........thats all im trying to say...........give yourself that chance you miss your first two two pointers last TD doesnt matter
steak, i dont agree on going for two in the third, only in the 4th and preferably with less than 10 minutes left is when you consider it. and you give yourself an extra chance at that point if you go and miss after the first td, a chance that you dont get if you go and miss after the 2nd or 3rd td.
i didnt say you were gonna make it but why make last TD meaningless if u miss twice in ROW you are down by ten(assuming time constraints)...if you are down 15 in the 4th Q and score TD what do you do?...............why make a game a possible 4 possession game beacuse thats what will happen if you miss your two point conversions........u want to keep it at possible 3 possession game yes you could miss last two pointer and lose by two but at least you had a chance to tie..........by missing your first two two pointers the last TD is meaningless no chance to tie
