bblight,
"ROTFLMFAO" was at this "America has been blessed because of a remnant of biblle beliving
Christians that live here, no other reason." by Railbird.
As far as Franklin I was mis-informed, Uncle Moneybags already corrected me, I read up on it and admitted my mistake, deist not atheist. On the other hand that doesn't change the fact that one of the important principles that our nation was founded on was freedom from religious persecution, which is what makes Railbird's comment laughable.
"ROTFLMFAO" was at this "America has been blessed because of a remnant of biblle beliving
Christians that live here, no other reason." by Railbird.
As far as Franklin I was mis-informed, Uncle Moneybags already corrected me, I read up on it and admitted my mistake, deist not atheist. On the other hand that doesn't change the fact that one of the important principles that our nation was founded on was freedom from religious persecution, which is what makes Railbird's comment laughable.
Kaya - I believe that often what you get from the religious crowd is a reaction to the lefts attempt to revise the intent of the founding fathers.
I think it's obvious that all of the founding fathers feared the institution of a state religion - they all believed in God and religion, but they didn't want the state to dictate what God and what religion.
In my opinion, the left now wants to marginalize the impact of religion and the worship of God on the state and on society as a whole. Like all good Marxists, they'd want to replace the worship of God with worship of the state. In modern America, these Marxist zealots are trying to use the courts to legislate for them, since they can't get a represntative legislature to do it. Where I come from they call this totalitarianism.
If you don't mind, I'll take religion over Marxism any day of the week.
If you do mind....well, that's why I have my weapon - for the revolution!
I think it's obvious that all of the founding fathers feared the institution of a state religion - they all believed in God and religion, but they didn't want the state to dictate what God and what religion.
In my opinion, the left now wants to marginalize the impact of religion and the worship of God on the state and on society as a whole. Like all good Marxists, they'd want to replace the worship of God with worship of the state. In modern America, these Marxist zealots are trying to use the courts to legislate for them, since they can't get a represntative legislature to do it. Where I come from they call this totalitarianism.
If you don't mind, I'll take religion over Marxism any day of the week.
If you do mind....well, that's why I have my weapon - for the revolution!
"I believe that often what you get from the religious crowd is a reaction to the lefts attempt to revise the intent of the founding fathers."
What are you talking about? It's righties that advocate prayer in school.
"In my opinion, the left now wants to marginalize the impact of religion and the worship of God on the state and on society as a whole."
Well of course, that's the idea, seperation of church and state. Religion is supposed to be personal and not a state affair, faith is up to each individual to practice or not as he/she sees fit. Religion should have no bearing whatsoever on how the state is run. Otherwise it would be discrimination against anyone of a religion other than the one chosen by the state.
"Like all good Marxists, they'd want to replace the worship of God with worship of the state."
Actually with bush2's big brother style of government where it can be risky to question or speak out against him, I would say he's the one that wants the public to worship the state.
What are you talking about? It's righties that advocate prayer in school.
"In my opinion, the left now wants to marginalize the impact of religion and the worship of God on the state and on society as a whole."
Well of course, that's the idea, seperation of church and state. Religion is supposed to be personal and not a state affair, faith is up to each individual to practice or not as he/she sees fit. Religion should have no bearing whatsoever on how the state is run. Otherwise it would be discrimination against anyone of a religion other than the one chosen by the state.
"Like all good Marxists, they'd want to replace the worship of God with worship of the state."
Actually with bush2's big brother style of government where it can be risky to question or speak out against him, I would say he's the one that wants the public to worship the state.
"Actually with bush2's big brother style of government where it can be risky to question or speak out against him, I would say he's the one that wants the public to worship the state."
Oh really! What risks are there in speaking up against Bush. I have seen people speak up against in, non-stop in some locations, up to the point where it is laughable.
I have yet to see anyone put away for speaking up and criticizing Bush.
I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments.
Oh really! What risks are there in speaking up against Bush. I have seen people speak up against in, non-stop in some locations, up to the point where it is laughable.
I have yet to see anyone put away for speaking up and criticizing Bush.
I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments.
bblight,
Nice rebutal you must be a great thinker aside from a mature income tax payer.
I take your comments apart, put my arguments up and you come back with insults. Yet you try to imply that I am the childish one.
Just for the record you're wrong about my age and also btw way I've been paying income tax for quite some time now.
"quit trying to look like an intellectual"
Um, this from the guy with the "Marxist zealots" bla bla bla. What was that one about the pot calling the kettle black?
Igetp2s,
There were threats of punishing the G.I.'s for speaking out against the government. There was a post here a while back about a young man telling his story of being harassed by the F.B.I. over an email he had printed out and was reading in some coffee shop. As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam. I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes.
"I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments."
If you can't see the big brotherness in this administration, you Sir are the dumb-ass.
Nice rebutal you must be a great thinker aside from a mature income tax payer.
I take your comments apart, put my arguments up and you come back with insults. Yet you try to imply that I am the childish one.
Just for the record you're wrong about my age and also btw way I've been paying income tax for quite some time now.
"quit trying to look like an intellectual"
Um, this from the guy with the "Marxist zealots" bla bla bla. What was that one about the pot calling the kettle black?
Igetp2s,
There were threats of punishing the G.I.'s for speaking out against the government. There was a post here a while back about a young man telling his story of being harassed by the F.B.I. over an email he had printed out and was reading in some coffee shop. As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam. I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes.
"I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments."
If you can't see the big brotherness in this administration, you Sir are the dumb-ass.
"There were threats of punishing the G.I.'s for speaking out against the government."
There is a difference between military law and civil law. And the GI's were not criticizing Bush, they were criticizing the military superiors in the command center.
"There was a post here a while back about a young man telling his story of being harassed by the F.B.I. over an email he had printed out and was reading in some coffee shop."
Thats a nice story. And now back to reality.
"As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam."
Because many of them are anti-American and Pro-Saddam. Still, I'm not quite sure how that relates to it being risky.
"I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes."
As I said, "I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments."
Theres no real other way to describe your comment.
There is a difference between military law and civil law. And the GI's were not criticizing Bush, they were criticizing the military superiors in the command center.
"There was a post here a while back about a young man telling his story of being harassed by the F.B.I. over an email he had printed out and was reading in some coffee shop."
Thats a nice story. And now back to reality.
"As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam."
Because many of them are anti-American and Pro-Saddam. Still, I'm not quite sure how that relates to it being risky.
"I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes."
As I said, "I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments."
Theres no real other way to describe your comment.
kaya - Most of your answers sound like they come from a sixteen year old - so how do you expect me to respond?
You're repeating the liberal tripe they teach the students in some high school or college - the party line as dictated by the mainifesto; you know "from each according to his needs..." and of course "Religion is the opiate of the masses...a tool of the bourgeoisie"
I just wish that you liberals would come up with something original, but everything I see is some variation of the same old reheated trash - usually right out of Karl Marx's ramblings.
You're repeating the liberal tripe they teach the students in some high school or college - the party line as dictated by the mainifesto; you know "from each according to his needs..." and of course "Religion is the opiate of the masses...a tool of the bourgeoisie"
I just wish that you liberals would come up with something original, but everything I see is some variation of the same old reheated trash - usually right out of Karl Marx's ramblings.
Maybe I am slow or just dumb, but why is there so much negative towards the United States or countries abroad.The anti-USA I can maybe understand because many people from the other parts of the world I think are jealous of what we have and doing each day of OUR freedom.If the United States did not exist, most or ALL the other countries would be long gone.Is it our fault that we--the USA have it all and other countries don't.But the United States is there for all the other countries.Will the hate or jealousy go away? Maybe when there is peace, but who really knows.All I know is, I am not rich or poor,I pay taxes,I hold a job,mortgage,support a family,party,have a couple of dollars in the well,vacation,and do what I am suppose to do as a American citizen.
"There was a post here a while back about a young man telling his story of being harassed by the F.B.I. over an email he had printed out and was reading in some coffee shop."
"Thats a nice story. And now back to reality."
Ok he just made it up to amuse us, cool. I suppose there aren't really any cameras in stop lights. The guy detained in conection with the 911 attack really did get a lawyer and a trial and is now a free man. Bush2 doesn't really want a super computer to spy on U.S. citizens. Just a bunch of liberal lies I guess.
"As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam."
"Because many of them are anti-American and Pro-Saddam. Still, I'm not quite sure how that relates to it being risky."
No I'm talking about Americans that didn't feel we should have gotten into this war, that doesn't make them anti-American or pro-Saddam. If anything questioning the government is what democracy and freedom are all about, free to think, have opinions and speak out.
"I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes."
"As I said, "I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments.""
The patriot act has even been used to bust runners for bookies, coincidently after they've made enough stops to have plenty of cash on them. If you can't see the risk of this administration and you also can't see the big brother tactics being used you are the delusional dumb ass.
"Thats a nice story. And now back to reality."
Ok he just made it up to amuse us, cool. I suppose there aren't really any cameras in stop lights. The guy detained in conection with the 911 attack really did get a lawyer and a trial and is now a free man. Bush2 doesn't really want a super computer to spy on U.S. citizens. Just a bunch of liberal lies I guess.
"As the bush2 part of the Iraq fiasco was starting those speaking out were acussed of everything from being anti-American to pro-Saddam."
"Because many of them are anti-American and Pro-Saddam. Still, I'm not quite sure how that relates to it being risky."
No I'm talking about Americans that didn't feel we should have gotten into this war, that doesn't make them anti-American or pro-Saddam. If anything questioning the government is what democracy and freedom are all about, free to think, have opinions and speak out.
"I have no doubt that the current administration could and would use the Patriot Act to twist anti-government/bush2 sentiment into terrorist sentiment if it suited their purposes."
"As I said, "I'm tired of seeing these dumb-ass delusional type comments.""
The patriot act has even been used to bust runners for bookies, coincidently after they've made enough stops to have plenty of cash on them. If you can't see the risk of this administration and you also can't see the big brother tactics being used you are the delusional dumb ass.
bblight,
You crack me up kid.
You chose character defamation over debate and continue to accuse me of immaturity.
"kaya - Most of your answers sound like they come from a sixteen year old - so how do you expect me to respond?"
Yeah I guess sounding like a 16 year old is how I aced public speaking back in college, gee it never dawned on me until just now, thanks.
"You're repeating the liberal tripe they teach the students in some high school or college - the party line as dictated by the mainifesto; you know "from each according to his needs..." and of course "Religion is the opiate of the masses...a tool of the bourgeoisie"
I just wish that you liberals would come up with something original, but everything I see is some variation of the same old reheated trash - usually right out of Karl Marx's ramblings."
You are good a spewing empty right wing rhetoric yet accuse me and/or libs of being repetitive and unoriginal, funny.
Oh yeah by the way, I never read Marx, probably should have in the sense of a well rounded education, but I never got through more than a couple of pages. Also I was raised in rural Pennsylvania in a town with only one black faimly. I went to high school with a bunch of red-necks and hicks (classmates and teachers alike). You can be sure there was nothing liberal about my enviornment growing up.
I come here for light entertainment, to bs a little, share ideas, debate, etc. Apparently you come here to insult anyone that disagrees with your whims. I like to at least try to avoid the personal attacks and insults but you're so obsessed with how I come off, I'll address the issue of how you come.
Who knows how close this is but here's the impression you give.
Middle class w.a.s.p. in his 40's from a middle class family never had to work too hard for anything, probably a b.a. from an average college typical memorizer rather than thinker product of the university system in the states, a blind sheep follower of the repub party, and a total thesaurus talker trying to impress with vocabulary because there's not much real thought behind the words.
You crack me up kid.
You chose character defamation over debate and continue to accuse me of immaturity.
"kaya - Most of your answers sound like they come from a sixteen year old - so how do you expect me to respond?"
Yeah I guess sounding like a 16 year old is how I aced public speaking back in college, gee it never dawned on me until just now, thanks.
"You're repeating the liberal tripe they teach the students in some high school or college - the party line as dictated by the mainifesto; you know "from each according to his needs..." and of course "Religion is the opiate of the masses...a tool of the bourgeoisie"
I just wish that you liberals would come up with something original, but everything I see is some variation of the same old reheated trash - usually right out of Karl Marx's ramblings."
You are good a spewing empty right wing rhetoric yet accuse me and/or libs of being repetitive and unoriginal, funny.
Oh yeah by the way, I never read Marx, probably should have in the sense of a well rounded education, but I never got through more than a couple of pages. Also I was raised in rural Pennsylvania in a town with only one black faimly. I went to high school with a bunch of red-necks and hicks (classmates and teachers alike). You can be sure there was nothing liberal about my enviornment growing up.
I come here for light entertainment, to bs a little, share ideas, debate, etc. Apparently you come here to insult anyone that disagrees with your whims. I like to at least try to avoid the personal attacks and insults but you're so obsessed with how I come off, I'll address the issue of how you come.
Who knows how close this is but here's the impression you give.
Middle class w.a.s.p. in his 40's from a middle class family never had to work too hard for anything, probably a b.a. from an average college typical memorizer rather than thinker product of the university system in the states, a blind sheep follower of the repub party, and a total thesaurus talker trying to impress with vocabulary because there's not much real thought behind the words.
Captain #5,
Have you ever traveled abroad?
I'm just curious because I've lived abroad for some time now and personally find the idea that those that don't like us feel that way because of jealousy to be myth. I've met plenty of people that love us and plenty that can't stand us, in both cases it has to do with things we've done in the past, the way we handle foreign affairs and the way we act as people. I've also know a lot of people that don't like us but have gone or want to go to the States to make money, save and return to their homes with a little nest egg, but I can't think of anybody I know that didn't want to come home eventually. On the other hand I've met several Americans that feel life is better here in C.R. and say they can't imagine going back for more than a visit. I think the States has it's good and bad like any where, but it's definately not the only nice place to live in the world, and that's coming from someone that at 20 couldn't have even imagined ever living any where else.
Have you ever traveled abroad?
I'm just curious because I've lived abroad for some time now and personally find the idea that those that don't like us feel that way because of jealousy to be myth. I've met plenty of people that love us and plenty that can't stand us, in both cases it has to do with things we've done in the past, the way we handle foreign affairs and the way we act as people. I've also know a lot of people that don't like us but have gone or want to go to the States to make money, save and return to their homes with a little nest egg, but I can't think of anybody I know that didn't want to come home eventually. On the other hand I've met several Americans that feel life is better here in C.R. and say they can't imagine going back for more than a visit. I think the States has it's good and bad like any where, but it's definately not the only nice place to live in the world, and that's coming from someone that at 20 couldn't have even imagined ever living any where else.
"No I'm talking about Americans that didn't feel we should have gotten into this war, that doesn't make them anti-American or pro-Saddam. If anything questioning the government is what democracy and freedom are all about, free to think, have opinions and speak out."
It wasnt the speaking out against the war that made them un-American and Pro-Saddam. It is exactly the opposite. Many already are un-American and Pro-Saddam, which caused them to speak out against the war. Not all, but a significant portion.
It wasnt the speaking out against the war that made them un-American and Pro-Saddam. It is exactly the opposite. Many already are un-American and Pro-Saddam, which caused them to speak out against the war. Not all, but a significant portion.
"Ok he just made it up to amuse us, cool."
Wouldnt be the first time somebody made something up.
"The patriot act has even been used to bust runners for bookies, coincidently after they've made enough stops to have plenty of cash on them."
Oh no. Somebody doing something illegal got caught. Thats just horrible. What is this world coming to?
Wouldnt be the first time somebody made something up.
"The patriot act has even been used to bust runners for bookies, coincidently after they've made enough stops to have plenty of cash on them."
Oh no. Somebody doing something illegal got caught. Thats just horrible. What is this world coming to?
