Am I the only one that thinks that these Italian matches are completely corrupt?

[acw]

acw,

I guess you had the OVER on the Livorno-Lecce game?

No.

I desperately wanted to take the UNDER but none of my outs had anything CLOSE to those Asian books

I guess the non-Asian books are more knowledgeable. LOL

I used to hang around a lot of European punters (skilled ones), and the word on the street is that Serie A is legit for the most part. More draws happen than in other leagues but it's because of the style of play and the culture...score a goal and then play D the rest of the game...

More draws caused by more defensive play, etc. is something that certain teams/leagues clearly poses and I will not classify that as corrupt. It follows straight out of the stats.

Just wondering...anyone know where to find stats on Serie A for stuff like shots on goal or corners? Even as part of match report would be nice...doesn't have to be tabulated. I've combed the search engines and can't seem to find anything.

Stats of Italian football will drive you mad! The moment the bookies put up an ODDS-ON DRAW the pope has made a decision, we will have to live with it. It does not mean that it is a certainty, but not a match that should be included in any statistical analyses. You do not find this in any other league, just Italy!

Also, how does one sign up at that book www.indosport.net ?

You will have to move to Asia first.

There is no link to any sign-up page or info. Is it an ancient Chinese secret :>Grin> ?

They only want big money and Westerners play too small. I do not agree with this strategy of them though.

Also, while we're here, what is your opinion about Pointbet? Are they reliable?

I have mentioned this before. Let me start saying that so far I never heard of any non-pay. That is the good news. Apart from that this book works on my nerves. They have not paid proper license fees (read pay the Indonesian police), so they hide their location, etc., which means you cannot phone or fax them.

Any other good Asian books that let white dudes sign up over the internet?

Have you tried www.indosoccer.com ?

Sorry for the bombardment...if there is any info. I could give in exchange, I'd be happy to oblige...just ask

I will!

 

[AFLGuru]

At least Ace-Ace isnt a kid in a dorm room with 8 names under the same I.P. address starting drama in his own thread to garner views...

Pretty sure that's resolved now buddy. Also pretty sure my track record here speaks for itself. Thanks for the concern. I'm only trying to help out this forum by placing a warning label out there for all. You don't see me calling locks and fixes in the AFL and I only cap what I know.

 

[Lawrence]

Pretty sure that's resolved now buddy. Also pretty sure my track record here speaks for itself. Thanks for the concern. I'm only trying to help out this forum by placing a warning label out there for all. You don't see me calling locks and fixes in the AFL and I only cap what I know.

just messin with you..i think you and Ace are both str8...good luck

 

[HinesWard86]

the main thing that upsets me about this is that not only do i try to cap soccer, but i am also a big soccer fan and the fact that these games people claim are "rigged" undermines the credibility of the game. soccer games have been rigged before, no question. greek soccer and german soccer were both recently found to have had some games that were rigged in them, no question. however, ace is suggesting that some pretty important games are being rigged (WC Qualifiers, Serie A games) when the rigged games are usually low-level ones like Bundesliga II and Regionaliga in Germany, not Germany's elite division the Bundesliga. Ace, if you want to become a real capper in here than obviously i have no qualms with that, however if you're posting that games are quite regularly being fixed in the sport i love than that i have a problem with

 

[Concorde]

Last year they discovered some fixed games in Italian serie A ( Chievo - Modena was one ) so this is not fiction. During 80's years a big fixing scandal involved famous player Paolo Rossi. All these are facts.

"Insiders" know that these are not the only two fixing case that happened but only the two that has been discovered ...

 

[matahari]

acw,

Stats of Italian football will drive you mad! The moment the bookies put up an ODDS-ON DRAW the pope has made a decision, we will have to live with it. It does not mean that it is a certainty, but not a match that should be included in any statistical analyses. You do not find this in any other league, just Italy!

Very true.

 

[HinesWard86]

There have also been rumors of fixed World Cup games, like the Argentina-Peru game in 1978 where Argentina needed to win by 4 to go through and won by 6. Also, the East or West German team that tanked a game to let one of their friends go through to the next round is a widely circulated rumors. Some of these were fixed, while some of these weren't though.

 

[matahari]

Concorde,

"Insiders" know that these are not the only two fixing case that happened but only the two that has been discovered ...

Tip of the iceberg, I agree, and not only in Italy. There're no real insiders though, apart from those who get the 1st hand info about one particular match, apart from this there's a wild ocean of paranoid rumours which in fact are the ultimate factor in the line movement.

 

[Concorde]

Last year they discovered some fixed games in Italian serie A ( Chievo - Modena was one ) so this is not fiction. During 80's years a big fixing scandal involved famous player Paolo Rossi. All these are facts.

"Insiders" know that these are not the only two fixing case that happened but only the two that has been discovered ...

I only found that link wrote in english ...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/soccer/08/10/bc.sport.soccer.italy/

( This is where the "process" started and before the conclusion ).

A point have to be made in order to not have "wordfight" each time that someone say that a game was fixed ...

1 ) If you watch a game you CANT understand if that game was fixed or no.
You could have a "squallid" 0 - 0 soccer game with the ball "dancing" for most of the game in the middle of the field with few ( if none ) "serious" shot on goals. This does not mean that that game was fixed, it could easily be for example that both teams needed a draw to "move" their standing so "they played" for that or even that both teams were unable to create good opportunity on that day and so on. Then you could have a "entertaining" 3 - 3 draw so a situation that do not make someone think that this was fixed but he could have be ( you score and after some minutes i will "guarantee" you to score ... the best way to not create suspects is to do what "appear more real" ).

Also like poster Darryl Parson perfectly sad, it is more easy in Italian league to have more draws than on other leagues. It is "TIPICAL" in Italian leagues to "play for the draw" ( this "scary" mentality may have cost us at least one World Cup ).

Finally if anyone of you will have the opportunity to visit and/or live for some times in Naples ( the "king city" of "certain things" ) and meet "certain peoples" ( not necessary the "owners" ), will realize that there is much more ( and not only on sports ) than someone could imagine.

Concorde

 

[Concorde]

There have also been rumors of fixed World Cup games, like the Argentina-Peru game in 1978 where Argentina needed to win by 4 to go through and won by 6. Also, the East or West German team that tanked a game to let one of their friends go through to the next round is a widely circulated rumors. Some of these were fixed, while some of these weren't though.

Browns,

Yes, some could have be only rumors and some could have been real, we do not know. But for sure something real there has been and there always be ( proven by facts ).

Concorde

PS
Another rumor is Italy - Camerun of world cup of 82.

 

[acw]

Then you could have a "entertaining" 3 - 3 draw so a situation that do not make someone think that this was fixed but he could have be ( you score and after some minutes i will "guarantee" you to score ... the best way to not create suspects is to do what "appear more real" ).

Denmark-Sweden during last year's Euro finals in Portugal. I could not stop laughing when I read in the press that both teams really tried hard to win that match! They fvcked the Italians. Those that invented this way of play.

By the way did anyone watch this Atalanta-Palermo match yesterday?

 

[Concorde]

Denmark-Sweden during last year's Euro finals in Portugal. I could not stop laughing when I read in the press that both teams really tried hard to win that match! They fvcked the Italians. Those that invented this way of play.

By the way did anyone watch this Atalanta-Palermo match yesterday?

Acw,

I see some of the 2ndh of the Atalanta - Palermo game.

 

[HinesWard86]

acw, yea i remember that game where all the Italians were screaming fix. Sweden and Denmark needed to draw 2-2 for Italy not to go through and they did. Even Soccernet reported that that game was fishy. Still I always laugh when the Azzuris are dicked over

 

[Concorde]

acw, yea i remember that game where all the Italians were screaming fix. Sweden and Denmark needed to draw 2-2 for Italy not to go through and they did. Even Soccernet reported that that game was fishy. Still I always laugh when the Azzuris are dicked over

Brown, we deserve to go out because of Trapattoni scary mentality. We may not win next year World Cup in Benedict XVI country ( it's hard to think how Brazil with Kaka, Ronaldo and Adriano can loose it, if healthy ) but at least our mentality will be more aggressive with Lippi coaching. Maybe an Italy - Usa matchup like in the World cup of 90 where i discovered a very great football player called Tab Ramos on that game ( i never understood why he has never be choosen by a good europen soccer team ). But we had Alexi that played here!

Concorde

 

[HinesWard86]

oh man.....Alexi Lalas.....the WORST player in World Cup 98. Just horrible in that cup, never forgiven him or most of that team for that performance. Who the hell runs a 3-6-1 formation? Claudio Ranieri is the only other coach who's that dumb. I loved Tab Ramos. Him, John Harkes, and Tony Meola got me started on American soccer. As for World Cup 2006, I agree, it is hard to see Brazil going down. That team is fully loaded but you never know in the World Cup. I think Italy will be the 3rd best team when Cup time rolls around behind just Brazil and Argentina. England won't get past the 2nd round.....they are not that good and who's their keeper? Also, France will have another 1st round exit. That team has struggled HORRIBLY since Zidane left the national team. They haven't found a playmaker to replace him yet.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

At least Ace-Ace isnt a kid in a dorm room with 8 names under the same I.P. address starting drama in his own thread to garner views...

Well said. AFLGuru, you are out of your league here. You have no idea who ACE is and the contacts he has.

 

[AFLGuru]

Think and say what you want. This forum is about winning money, and whether Ace does it or not, guarantees that games are fixed, even at "90%" better hit that high. I watched that Russia-Estonia bet destroy many people here and all I'm doing is laying a warning sign out there. People need to heed caution when following a guy who has dropped 6 dimes thus far on soccer betting. I'm not saying he can't turn it around, but all I'm doing is issuing the warning. If you choose not to listen to me, that's fine too. It's your cash and please do with it as you wish, but it's only fair for newbies and first time readers of Ace who see "fix" or "inside information" that the games either really aren't fixed or getting bad information. I don't think that placing a warning is out of anyone's league, especially when the stats are there. No one's had the balls to come out and say it yet, but Ace's soccer picks have been pretty poor, and before anyone should wander in too far, they deserve to know that.

I do my best to contribute a positive impact to this forum and I believe I have done so with my AFL threads. I believe this to be a positive warning, but should you or anyone else choose to ignore it, please feel free to. I'm not bashing anyone in here, nor am I looking to pick a fight. Just stating facts. Sorry if that's "out of my league"

 

[DarrylParsons]

I for one appreciate AFLGuru doing the research and calculating Ace's recent results. I think he is an asset to the forum just based on all the energy he has put in with no adverse agenda.

As for ACE-ACE, if he posts good info., even if on a small recent losing streak, his efforts should be appreciated as well IMO.

Fixed games is a thorny issue, so it's only natural to see both sides of the equation. If we lost one of the two sides we'd all be worse off IMO.

 

[HinesWard86]

I have no problem with ACE posting his plays, he can make a line move pretty good on a side I already want to bet. Also, from what it sounds like ACE really has little knowledge of soccer as a whole, he just knows when a game is "fixed" and to bet it. Therefore, please keep posting ACE, I will take 20 extra cents going against you each time.

 

[ACE-ACE]

NOT ONCE IN THE SOCCER FORUM DID I POSTED MY RECORD!!!!

ITS NOT ABOUT MY RECORD ....ITS ABOUT THE GAME OF SOCCER ITSELF!!!
SOME PEOPLE DONT LIKE ME SAYING
1. "DONE DEAL"
2. FIX GAMES
3. TALKING ABOUT THE "MAC GAMES"
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.....THAT UP TO YOU

THIS IS A FORUM,,,,,I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT INFORMATION OF ALL KINDS

IF THE FORUM WANT ME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT HERE IS THE PLACE TO DO SO!!!

ALL I NEED TO HEAR IS A DOZEN PLAYER THAT DONT WANT ME SAYING DONE DEAL OR FIX......AND I WILL RESPECT YOUR WISHES

THIS IS STILL MY HOME....ONE WAY OR THE OTHER....BUT I WILL RESPECT YOUR WISHES

I HAVE BEEN CALL OUT...ALSO CALL A FRAUD BY "AFLGURU"

HERE IS HIS E-MAIL TO ME...

Ace dude--

I hate to say this, but I think you're frauding the entire Rx
community, and I'm not afraid to try to call you out to protect some
folks on there. I don't know who's emailing you back and forth or
whatever, nor do I know what contacts you have and don't have. I
think you're a hell of a football capper. But I think you're a hoax
here in soccer. Your plays you post on therx are shady at best, and
don't even having +.500 record. And consider that you're betting
against massive juice (usually 20%) on moneylines, this isn't good at
all. Then you take your marks of down over 6 dimes and 7 losses and
claim that you're 10-2? C'mon dude, get real. You're not fooling me
and I hope you're not fooling as many people as it looks like you are
on therx. You owe it to them to give an explanation of what's going
on, and if I have to post in every single one of your threads to tread
carefully, I will. I haven't come out and called you a fraud yet, but
if it looks like enough people are jumping on, I won't be afraid to.

WHO MADE HIM GOD OF THE FORUM!!!!

I CALL HIM MY FRIEND ONCE...HE TRY TO HELP ME IN THE AFL GAMES
THAT WHY HE HAS MY E-MAIL NO......

NOT ONCE IN THE SOCCER FORUM DID I POSTED MY RECORD
I TOLD HIM MY RECORD WAS 10-2 IN SOCCER....WELL I DID NOT KEEP TRACK OF MY RECORD....SO I WENT BACK AND SAW I WAS WRONG
ITS 9-3 ....SO SORRY

AS I POST IN THE NFL I BET TWO WAYS
INVESTMENT OVER $2000 AND ACTION....GOT TO PLAY UNDER $1000

I SET IT FOR SOCCOR AT OVER $1000 BETS AND UNDER 1,000 BETS

MY POSTED RECORD (THAT I NEVER POSTED) IS:
OVER $1,000 BET 4-2 -$3390.00
UNDER $1000 BETS 2-4 +299.00

I GET SOME OF THE PLAYS 10 MINS BEFORE THE GAME GOES OFF AND
CANT POST THEM ALL
(BUT SOME OF YOU HERE AT THE FORUM HAS SEEN THEM ....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)

MY NON POSTED RECORD IS:
OVER $1,000 BETS 5-1 +$6925.00
UNDER $1,000 BETS 2-2 -678.00

TOTAL OVER $1,000 BETS 9-3 +$3535
UNDER $1,000 BETS 4-6 -$379

NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY RECORD IF (AFLGURU) DID NOT CALL ME OUT!!!!

I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I DO HERE ON THIS FORUM IS HELPING OTHERS

THIS PLACE IS LIKE A NEWSPAPER....IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE READING....READ SOMETHING ELSE.....


ITS YOUR CALL............................

I WILL STILL BE HERE IN THE NFL FORUM COME WEEK 1
AFTER THE KIDS LEAVE

I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!!!!


ACE-ACE
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