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Yes, bitcoin is becoming more mainstream but I can't figure out why huge companies are taking this risk with bitcoins if they hadn't done their investigative methods in finding out how secure they ate & whose behind it am & how exactly it works.

Unless I'm.missing something, are these big companies taking a big risk or do they know something most of us don't?

Something tells me they have faith in this method & more bigger companies are joining, which should have investors calm & investing more.

I believe we may see a stock market crash within the next 2 years with the bull market. Only time will tell what will happen, but I hope it doesn't happen.
 

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Ok, so I guess I can buy a computer off dell.com with baseball cards then...or play poker on sealswithclubs with baseball cards as a deposit method.

I'm talking about investing in it. The small amounts of it's ability to purchase goods and services is not what most people are investing in.
 

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This is what is so impressive about US Banks and the Central Banking policies. In the Great Depression, one of their biggest problems was bank runs where people wanted physical currency because they were afraid of the banking system.

In 2008/2009 when we had the 2nd largest collapse in American history... bank deposits actually increased. With the FDIC, Federal Reserve, and Treasury, there is no risk to having money in US banks.

Cyprus is part of the EU. The EU does not have assurances on banking deposits. The Euro is a mess and will never work the way it is set up for the same reasons why Bitcoin would never work as a currency.



Akp, I have this discussion with my cousin about how the US govt can screw the american people out of their money if the economy completely collapsed & he says that no matter what, your money is safe but I don't believe it.

What we saw in Cyprus is the beginning of the end to what you will see in the rest of the world within the next 10 years.

What we saw in Cyprus is a template of how to scam people out of there money & for these international bankers to walk away with a smile on their faces.

I think we will see more events like we saw in Cyprus in the rest of the world in the next 10 years.

These biionaires draw something up, e ecute their plan on a small country & if it works to their liking, move on & do it again to a bigger country.
 

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I'm talking about investing in it. The small amounts of it's ability to purchase goods and services is not what most people are investing in.

I know you won't be investing ant money in the shares of bitcoin but would you use bitcoin to switch money back & forth thru your sports book?

I haven't even looked into how you move money from the cold wallet to a bank account.

Also, if you transfer like $30,000 from a sports book to a bank account, does it raise suspicion & do you get flagged because its over $10,000?
 

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and predictably the same people that think they have systems to beat casino games are scoffing at bitcoin.

I am not aware of anyone in this thread challenging the legitimacy of Bitcoin who has said that they have systems to beat casino games. I certainly am not one of them. Perhaps you can provide an example?
 

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I guess large corporations like Dell, Dish Network, Overstock.com, Newegg, and Expedia must think bitcoin is a scam too since they now accept it as a payment method for their goods and services.

I'm talking about investing in it. The small amounts of it's ability to purchase goods and services is not what most people are investing in.
 

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Akp, I have this discussion with my cousin about how the US govt can screw the american people out of their money if the economy completely collapsed & he says that no matter what, your money is safe but I don't believe it.

What we saw in Cyprus is the beginning of the end to what you will see in the rest of the world within the next 10 years.

What we saw in Cyprus is a template of how to scam people out of there money & for these international bankers to walk away with a smile on their faces.

I think we will see more events like we saw in Cyprus in the rest of the world in the next 10 years.

These biionaires draw something up, e ecute their plan on a small country & if it works to their liking, move on & do it again to a bigger country.

Like I said, you have to understand how monetary systems work to understand the difference between Cyprus and the US. Not even mentioning the fact Cyprus is a little ass country with a $23b GDP.

This is one of the reasons the gold standard failed and one of the reasons why we would never use a currency like Bitcoin. The difference between being revenue restrained. Cyprus is part of the EU, which means banks in Cyprus that had investments in Euros and lost them after the collapse of the world economy, mathematically could not pay off all their depositors.

The US does not have that problem as was shown during the crisis. The Federal Reserve can always make sure that people have access to their money and can always make sure that banks can exchange money for deposits. There is literally no mathematical case in which we depositors would ever lose money (outside of the FDIC insurance).

That's why the Euro is a disaster. What the IMF has said is that plans are in the works to turn the EU in to a system replicating the US where there would be one bonding/taxing agent. This would allow them to make sure countries like Cyprus can fulfill their obligations even in the case of a crisis. The problem is the EU countries still want some sovereignty. Like the German's do not want to sacrifice the value of the Euro to help out other countries. Basically what they have done is turned these EU countries in to states, like California or Wyoming. If Wyoming can't pay their debts, they are screwed just like Cyprus. The difference is we have federal regulations that protect Wyoming residents unlike the EU.

Cyprus is not an example of whats going to happen in the future, there an example of why we have the current system we currently do and why almost every developed country in the world is migrating to it. If you have the US system, situations like Cyprus wouldn't exist.
 

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I know you won't be investing ant money in the shares of bitcoin but would you use bitcoin to switch money back & forth thru your sports book?

I haven't even looked into how you move money from the cold wallet to a bank account.

Also, if you transfer like $30,000 from a sports book to a bank account, does it raise suspicion & do you get flagged because its over $10,000?

If Bitcoin could be used to easily transfer money back and forth from books, I would use it in a second.
 

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I guess large corporations like Dell, Dish Network, Overstock.com, Newegg, and Expedia must think bitcoin is a scam too since they now accept it as a payment method for their goods and services.



Frank, the more big corporations jump on the wagon, the more stable the stock of bitcoins gets.

I'm actually surprised these big companies you've mentioned are on board w/o bitcoins having a secure backing to their customers.
 

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You can't go from a cold wallet to a bank account. You would need to transfer from cold wallet to online bitcoin exchange, then to bank account.

I know you won't be investing ant money in the shares of bitcoin but would you use bitcoin to switch money back & forth thru your sports book?

I haven't even looked into how you move money from the cold wallet to a bank account.

Also, if you transfer like $30,000 from a sports book to a bank account, does it raise suspicion & do you get flagged because its over $10,000?
 

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its going to be the currency in the RFID chips


Hey, I thought about that & if do, that would mean a cashless society, which means electronic funding for everything, which Aldo means, the stock won't be $621 for a bitcoin, more like $5,000 as Choptalk suggested or more.

That's something we haven't talked about in this thread, a cashless society which will happen one day, the question is, will bitcoins be the game changer?
 

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I guess large corporations like Dell, Dish Network, Overstock.com, Newegg, and Expedia must think bitcoin is a scam too since they now accept it as a payment method for their goods and services.

Well, truthfully, these companies are excepting Bitcoin at the exchange rate of USD and then just exchanging the Bitcoins for USD. There's no reason why companies shouldn't accept Bitcoin right now as long as it's legal and they can exchange it instantly for USD.

It's not like Dell is investing in Bitcoins. It's just a way for them to get more USD.
 

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If more companies start adopting bitcoin, along with regular people...the price will stabilize and then businesses just might start using bitcoin amongst themselves instead of converting to USD. It just needs to get enough market penetration to attain price stability and look out below. Not saying it will happen in the next 6-12 months, but could happen possibly in a few years.

Well, truthfully, these companies are excepting Bitcoin at the exchange rate of USD and then just exchanging the Bitcoins for USD. There's no reason why companies shouldn't accept Bitcoin right now as long as it's legal and they can exchange it instantly for USD.

It's not like Dell is investing in Bitcoins. It's just a way for them to get more USD.
 

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If bitcoin was $50 a share, I would buy 100 shares & ride it out for the next 5 years to see if it would make money but at $621, I see no value in it as an investment because of the risk vs reward......at $50, I would take a shot.

I missed the body last year, then again, I didn't really understand it much as I thought it was only used for the black market.
 

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If bitcoin was $50 a share, I would buy 100 shares & ride it out for the next 5 years to see if it would make money but at $621, I see no value in it as an investment because of the risk vs reward......at $50, I would take a shot.

I missed the body last year, then again, I didn't really understand it much as I thought it was only used for the black market.

agreed......but stil....buying 4 or 5 might still be worth a shot
 

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If more companies start adopting bitcoin, along with regular people...the price will stabilize and then businesses just might start using bitcoin amongst themselves instead of converting to USD. It just needs to get enough market penetration to attain price stability and look out below. Not saying it will happen in the next 6-12 months, but could happen possibly in a few years.

First off, if you are selling goods and services in the US you have to pay taxes in USD. So what you are envisioning simply will never be allowed. Companies might accept Bitcoin as a means to get USD... but at the end of the day they won't be holding on to that volatile bag. And Dell still has to report its sales in USD even if it is accepting Bitcoins. There's over $7 billion worth of Bitcoins out there. It's a very smart move to accept them as long as you can instantly exchange them for USD.
 

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it might still blow up....think about it ....the average blue collar worker never even heard of this fuckin bitcoin.....let alone the poor and welfare.....theyre trapped if this shit takes over
 

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How is that any different from a company that sells overseas in different currencies? Does Ford sells cars in China? Do the Chinese buy cars with USD only? Does Ford pay taxes on cars sold in other currencies?

First off, if you are selling goods and services in the US you have to pay taxes in USD. So what you are envisioning simply will never be allowed. Companies might accept Bitcoin as a means to get USD... but at the end of the day they won't be holding on to that volatile bag. And Dell still has to report its sales in USD even if it is accepting Bitcoins. There's over $7 billion worth of Bitcoins out there. It's a very smart move to accept them as long as you can instantly exchange them for USD.
 

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