Abandoning social distancing now would be catastrophic

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"But Trump already seems to be wavering. In recent days, he has signaled that he is prepared to backtrack on social-distancing policies in a bid to protect the economy. Pundits and business leaders have used similar rhetoric, arguing that high-risk people, such as the elderly, could be protected while lower-risk people are allowed to go back to work. Such thinking is seductive, but flawed. It overestimates our ability to assess a person’s risk, and to somehow wall off the ‘high-risk’ people from the rest of society. It underestimates how badly the virus can hit ‘low-risk’ groups, and how thoroughly hospitals will be overwhelmed if even just younger demographics are falling sick.

A recent analysis from the University of Pennsylvania estimated that even if social-distancing measures can reduce infection rates by 95 percent, 960,000 Americans will still need intensive care. There are only about 180,000 ventilators in the U.S. and, more pertinently, only enough respiratory therapists and critical-care staff to safely look after 100,000 ventilated patients. Abandoning social distancing would be foolish. Abandoning it now, when tests and protective equipment are still scarce, would be catastrophic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/
 

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"But Trump already seems to be wavering. In recent days, he has signaled that he is prepared to backtrack on social-distancing policies in a bid to protect the economy. Pundits and business leaders have used similar rhetoric, arguing that high-risk people, such as the elderly, could be protected while lower-risk people are allowed to go back to work. Such thinking is seductive, but flawed. It overestimates our ability to assess a person’s risk, and to somehow wall off the ‘high-risk’ people from the rest of society. It underestimates how badly the virus can hit ‘low-risk’ groups, and how thoroughly hospitals will be overwhelmed if even just younger demographics are falling sick.

A recent analysis from the University of Pennsylvania estimated that even if social-distancing measures can reduce infection rates by 95 percent, 960,000 Americans will still need intensive care. There are only about 180,000 ventilators in the U.S. and, more pertinently, only enough respiratory therapists and critical-care staff to safely look after 100,000 ventilated patients. Abandoning social distancing would be foolish. Abandoning it now, when tests and protective equipment are still scarce, would be catastrophic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Not saying this couldn't happen. However, I would love to know the math behind the 960K of Americans needing intensive care.

Let's assume that 1 in every 5 cases needs a ventilator. Not sure how close that is, but whatever. That means that there will be 4.8M cases in the US, or 1.5% of the population.

Italy is now at a rate 0.12% of cases/population. So, we would need 12 times worse than Italy current pace to have that happen. Again, it could happen, but it seems very high to me.

A different math equation, but also one that makes this number seem unlikely. We are now at 75K cases, with yesterday a peak of 13K new cases a day. To get to 4.8M cases for the country, we would need 4.8M less 75K more. If we did 13K a day every day, it would take 3,686 days to get there. That is 10 years.

A lot of educated people taking stabs on how bad this could be. I am sure a lot of educated people taking stabs on how bad this isn't. I think a good exercise is to vet these numbers out to see if they make sense before making them.
 

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No one has said to resume getting the economy back on track and abandon social distancing practices.. Fake news
 
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No one has said to resume getting the economy back on track and abandon social distancing practices.. Fake news


What do you think opening businesses mean? No one is sitting next to each other other? God damn you are incapable.




New Orleans could be the next NYC. The south is going to get bad soon, unfortunately
 

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I assume it's a reference to Trump's recently proclaimed plans. The OP quote says "he is prepared to backtrack on social-distancing policies".

I heard his pressor yesterday. Nothing close to that was said
 

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I'm seeing some nearby businesses that closed for a couple of days are now saying screw it and re-opening. one being a small manufacturing company that makes and ships electronic instruments, they don't deal with customers face to face but you still have maybe 25 people in a pretty small building.

A scrapyard for metals that deals with the public opened back up today. People are starting to largely ignore the orders and there is no enforcement, and this only 100 miles East of NYC !
 
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Sorry, but there’s not a single intelligent person on the planet that truly believes in their heart of hearts that we should reopen everything within the next month. Zip, zilch, nada
 

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I'm seeing some nearby businesses that closed for a couple of days are now saying screw it and re-opening. one being a small manufacturing company that makes and ships electronic instruments, they don't deal with customers face to face but you still have maybe 25 people in a pretty small building.

A scrapyard for metals that deals with the public opened back up today. People are starting to largely ignore the orders and there is no enforcement, and this only 100 miles East of NYC !

Good move. More need to do this. Quarentine older people. Aknowledge and practice the health risks. Continue on with our lives before its to late
 

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Bad math by me. LOL.

At 13K new cases per day, it would take approximately 363 days at that level to reach 4.8M cases. Which is one year - not 10.

Still very high to me.
 
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If there ever was a true no-win situation, this is it.

We all have parents/grandparents who are at high risk we should be concerned about, but at the same time a depression as a result of a long-term shutdown would be catastrophic.

I don't envy the decision makers.
 
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We're on lockdown where we live.

They only want essential employees to leave their houses.

If a store opens up, the city or country will shut them down
 
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Good move. More need to do this. Quarentine older people. Aknowledge and practice the health risks. Continue on with our lives before its to late

Practice the health risks? What is that?

Quarantine older people? How? How old? Many 50, 60 & older are working people. Heck, many are leaders of your nation, including the Prez. How will they "continue on with (their) lives", including their parts in the economy, from "quarantine"?

Good move? Defying orders to not work, which could end up in fines, arrest & jail?
 

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There's simply no way to go on with every day life AND rid the spread of this virus.

I can't imagine being a mayor, governor, or especially president, right now, trying to make everyone happy.
 

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Only thing the Orange leader had to crow about the past 3 years was the economy, which he inherited from Obama. Now that it's crashing, he's willing to push Millions of Americans in front of the speeding Coronavirus train in hopes of resuscitating his re-election chances.
 

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Practice the health risks? What is that?

Quarantine older people? How? How old? Many 50, 60 & older are working people. Heck, many are leaders of your nation, including the Prez. How will they "continue on with (their) lives", including their parts in the economy, from "quarantine"?

Good move? Defying orders to not work, which could end up in fines, arrest & jail?

I meant to keep practicing safe health safeguards. Social distancing , hygeine obviously.. Stay at home if your sick.
Quarentine 65 and above. Some strict measures should take place. Like the travel bans etc. These things should've , and have been done. Hopefully in the future , better steps will be taken. Liberal hysteria to shutdown the economy isn't the answer
 

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Think we're getting off the title of thread and its meaning. No one is suggesting abandoning social distancing... Maybe TDS people are suggesting that's what's being presented. Fake news
 
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Think we're getting off the title of thread and its meaning. No one is suggesting abandoning social distancing... Maybe TDS people are suggesting that's what's being presented. Fake news

How do you define "social distancing"? Presently social distancing policies in many places include people not going to work and/or even leaving their home:

"Many states have already adopted “shelter in place” policies that have shut down all but essential businesses. But this kind of social distancing even extends to small gatherings of friends and going for walks at popular times of day."

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/24/21191557/trump-coronavirus-economy-reopen-social-distance

Earlier this week Trump spoke of people going back to work by Easter, which would ease those social distancing policies.

What is social distancing:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/p...infograph/social-distancing-infograph-eng.pdf
 

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There's simply no way to go on with every day life AND rid the spread of this virus.

I can't imagine being a mayor, governor, or especially president, right now, trying to make everyone happy.

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No easy answer and that is what is driving people crazy because as Americans we're programmed to think there is an easy solution for everything.

The #1 thing that needs to be done is flatten the curve of virus spread to keep medical system from going overwhelmed, anyone that can't agree w/ that isn't worthy of being part of the conversation about how to fix the issue, it just is what it is.

After that, we can begin to get creative with ways to not have a 6 week lockdown. I think people are going to findout in the next few weeks that this is significantly easier said than done. But time will tell, kinda sick of trying game out all this fallout and rather just observe and analyze from there.
 

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How do you define "social distancing"? Presently social distancing policies in many places include people not going to work and/or even leaving their home:

"Many states have already adopted “shelter in place” policies that have shut down all but essential businesses. But this kind of social distancing even extends to small gatherings of friends and going for walks at popular times of day."

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/24/21191557/trump-coronavirus-economy-reopen-social-distance

Earlier this week Trump spoke of people going back to work by Easter, which would ease those social distancing policies.

What is social distancing:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/p...infograph/social-distancing-infograph-eng.pdf


X: For a Canadian , you seem awfully interested in Trump !

I guess since Vancouver is so close to the border, you have good reason.
 

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