A warning to the wise. The future of off-shore sportsbooks = NO CLERKS

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A wagering floor can easily be defined as an ineficient way of doing what the internet does. Anything that can be done by a clerk can be done by a computer at a fraction of the cost to the bookmaker. Off-shore bookies love players that are electronic. They wire the money in, set up accounts through email and bet online.

Think about it. No phone bills have to be paid, this alone runs in the millions of dollars a year for decent-sized operations. No rent is due on humungous office-space complexes. Anybody that has seen the instalations used by NASA, CRIS, JAZZ, etc in Costa Rica will tell you that this is no laughing matter. No extravagant payroll for hundreds of clerks has to be handed out. There goes another couple of million dollars. Human resources gets simplified, so the small armies of administrators, supervisors, accountants, lawyers, etc come off the payroll. NO CLAIMS. This alone is worth it. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars get handed back to the players every year due to clerk mistakes?

A lot of players call in their bets. Be it because they sit on the far side of the digital divide and are not comfortable with computers and the internet or because they just don't have acess at the time they want to place a wager (WAP-enabled websites take care of that one since thay can be accessed froma cell-phone, but that is another story). This forces bookies to literally hire small armies to answer the phones on an NFL sunday.

But, are the clerks really necesary? Aside from specialized phone stations such as customer service, claims, horses, linesmen or managers most clerking stations can be easily replaced by voice recognition software. A player calls in, the computer picks up the phone, he gives his account and password, asks for the lines and places wagers, all handled by a centralized server. Cost is reduced to a sufficiently powerful server, phone and software.

Voice recognition isn't quite ready for an off-the-shelf application for sportsbooks. It has to be trained to recognize the inflections of a particular voice. This is done now by having the person read some lines into a microphone so as to train the algorythm (neural networks?? sounds like it). Once this step is accomplished, voice recognition is remarkably accurate.

This learning curve hazzle is now being fazed out. If you call directory assitance within the US you get asked to state the category and location of your query by a computer, which recognizes what you say and shuttles you to the respective operator.

In a short time (5 years, maybe sooner) voice recognition engines will be powerful enough to substitute the clerks on a wagering floor. Let me repeat that: THERE WILL BE NO CLERKS ON THE WAGERING FLOOR. There will probably be no wagering floor either. Clerks are the first to go to the inevitable technical progress in our industry. They certainly won't be the last. Line movers (not line MAKERS) are another endangered species.

Thus my warning. A lot of my friends work at clerk level positions in the gambling industry. MAKE A 3-5 YEAR PLAN TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE WAGERING FLOOR AND ACT ON IT!! Start studying now, learn a skill, assure yourself portability to another field of employment. Take advantage of the flexibility of schedule that you have now and the economic resources to propell yourself to another career. Bookies directly employ around 7,000 people in CR during football season. In 4 years, when 5000 of those are fired they will all have similar work experience, similar training, similar skills and they will all be looking for the same jobs. How are YOU going to compete?
 

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Good post.

I hope computer doesn't replace moderators.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
Good post.

I hope computer doesn't replace moderators.

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its already there my friend...im sure KEN will see it one day



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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The discriminator, who differentiates between useful and useless ideas.
The host, who creates the feeling of trust and motivates contributions.
The pace setter, who removes communication barriers and promotes cooperation.
The explainer, who relays overlooked messages and raises questions that have remained unanswered.
The entertainer, who evaluates the conference mood and ensures that participants are relaxed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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I think a greater threat may be what's happening to most call centers in the U.S.: jobs getting shipped to India and Pakistan. Phone centers in those countries are operated at a fraction of the cost due to lower labor wages. Help desk and tax returns are two of the most popular areas opening up in this area. I would imagine that there will always be at least a small market for clerks but with the ability to enter wagers electronically from anywhere in the world, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see these jobs migrate to India and Pakistan.
 

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Emoderator logic:

IF complaint about paid advertiser,
Print: "We stand by them. Great book. You are scammer"

IF NOT paid advertiser,
Print: "Thanks for letting us know about this book"

Note: Send email to book, asking if they want to become paid advertiser.
 

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"I think a greater threat may be what's happening to most call centers in the U.S.: jobs getting shipped to India and Pakistan. "

I think you flat-out missed the point. Costa Rica IS the place where call centers migrated to. We aren't in real danger of clerking jobs running away to other countries, we are the other country. The jobs I'm talking about will just dissapear through automatization.

This isn't customer service for a transnational, or a phone format that varies greatly from one call to the other, but rather an incredibly repetitive call structure. This will be automated soon. There is no doubt about it, the only question is when.

The 1000's of clerks on the wagering floor are the ones that are going to go, not the specialized services within a book. The calls answered by these particular clerks can vary greatly from one instance to the other and require flexibility that is not yet available to automatization through computer just yet.
 

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Pinnacle will probably be the first they are well on thier way now
 

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aawied, what are they doing to automate? Could you please give some examples. Real-world applications are more interesting than future possibilities.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think a greater threat may be what's happening to most call centers in the U.S.: jobs getting shipped to India and Pakistan. Phone centers in those countries are operated at a fraction of the cost due to lower labor wages. Help desk and tax returns are two of the most popular areas opening up in this area. I would imagine that there will always be at least a small market for clerks but with the ability to enter wagers electronically from anywhere in the world, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see these jobs migrate to India and Pakistan. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What?
 

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I know of an application that cost about $1 million US and it is fully operational and is voice activated. Hmmmm, maybe it should be a two year plan at the most wimp.
 

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While I see your point, I do think that clerk positions will stay for one reason only:

problem-resolution

It is inevitable that problems will occur. E.g. credit declines, servers going down, fraudsters wanting to rip off the book, chasing withdrawals, not understanding the technology platform etc.

Players don't mind dealing with a machine when all is going well, but HATE having to deal with an automoton when trying to sort out a problem.

Whilst I accept that less clerks will be needed in the future, clerks will always (well for the next 10 years anyway) be an important part of the business.

Whilst some books are disorganized as they are, and software providers are so bad at testing, and scum bags still hit websites with DOS attacks, players will NEED to speak to a real person.
 

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The cost of the phone calls and the computers/systems you put in front of a clerk are far higher than the wages you pay. You can't possibly save that much moving the clerk job to India. Clerks will go away for other reasons, but cost of having one sit in a seat isn't really much of a concern.
 

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2 things...
if you are in a sportbar...
how you'll gonna post your bets...
now, some people doesn't have a clue
what is internet..

now, dont get complicated..
actually, microsoft is implementing
their dedicated voice catalogs,
in that case a pbx phone system
can actually interact with a real voice..
let's say for example

you call, a computer answer, give me your pin
and password, the computer reconigzes your voice and interprets the voice to text,
you ask for the lines, let's say, i want NFL,
ok sir which game, how about atlanta,
then the computer tell you the lines...
once you need to place your bet press 1,
choose the amount with the dialpad of your phone!...

also i was thinking something to watch out if it's a customer, or someone trying to hack/steal accounts,,, since human voices work in wave, we can analize the spectrum and the frecuency of each voice, compare it in a oscyloscope, and have a database of voices of each client....
 

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Those systems exist already. MGM Mirage had them until they shut down recently. They aren't cheap though and they are extremely slow compared to a clerk. Once you are verified with a clerk you can put a lot of bets in quickly. With the phone system you have to find your game, listen to the line, tell the machine who you want, then how much you want on it, then it takes a bit of time to verify. Believe me it is slow and I doubt it could move that much faster. On productivity alone a live clerk will serve you well. In Las Vegas with benefits and all, a clerk will cost at least $12-15, but in CR the cost can be less than half that. Going to India would only lower that by maybe another $1 an hour. Once again the key is the cost of the connection to the office. If RACSA continues to bleed companies dry and the government refuses to allow cutting edge competitors do data and voice for cheaper, India might just become a more viable solution. It won't be cost of people, it will be cost of technology and communications that makes the difference.
 

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wild,,, there
is always a matematical algorithm
that can improve time/costs

now, first lesson, go and resolve a 6th dimension matrix
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Maybe I am out of touch with what a phone clerk in Costa Rica makes, but college graduates in India & Pakistan line up for phone support jobs for about $6,000 USD per year. I thought that was a lot less than Cotsa Rican clerks make but maybe I am wrong.
 

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My last job was working on voice recognition software (and well as standard IVR/VRU, where you just use the dial-pad on the keyboard) and implementing applications. While I've been out for 18 months, and haven't kept up, I would imagine that the biggest detriment to doing voice-recognition is still the same: the cost. While the long term savings of doing voice-recognition could be huge, the up-front cost is enormous (to do it correctly), and so what happens is that many companies, who want voice-recognition, opt for cheaper, but worse from a customer point of view, solutions.

Also, learning the slang is am important (and not without cost) part of doing a GOOD voice-rec app.


Imagine the difference from a customer perspective between having to say the sport, the team, the type of bet, the amount, and confirming everything one by one.

Now, imagine a system that simply says:

What would you like today?

And you respond:

Hook the Packers, the Giants and Detroit up for a nickel.


The system then repeats that you want to make a parlay for $500, with the lines, and you confirm.


Much differenet experience, more costly to implement.


Dealing with customers accents adds more cost.


Dealing with background noise, unless things have changed, is almost impossible, so calling from a noisy sports bar would still have to go to a clerk.


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