A-Q unsuited vs K-J unsuited

[primetime21+]

"But if we are playing a cash game or in the early stages of a tourney you can lose alot more with AQ than with kj."

What are you talking about. Proceed cautiously....but give me the A-Q all day. I believe you can lose the same amount with A-Q as you can with K-J....that would be your whole stack.

I hope someday you hold KJ and the flop comes K-J-10.....and a girl with AQ nut straights on your leg.....or whatever.

Too bad i am the kind of player that wouldnt put much into a pot with just two pair with a flop like this. That is the difference between a beginner and a someone who knows what he is doing. personally, i would have no problem folding KK into a flop like this if someone applied enough pressure (presuming the opponent is a relatively tight player who knows what he is doing).

You play KJ to bust someone holding AQ-10 and hoping that player isnt good enough to lay down 2 pair in the EXACT same situation.

This is the point. if a good player holds kj and hits a flop of k-8-2. yes he will probably lose some money to KQ or AK, but if he is a good enough player he may even fold to a flop bet under the assumption that he is outkicked. If you hold AQ and hit your Ace it is very hard to get away from for most players and will cost you more money in the long run.

That is why if you asked the pro's they will tell you that AQ is a very dangerous hand, more so than KJ.

And i use a program called pokertracker which tracks all of your poker hands and AQ has the same win percentage for me as KJ, while KJ has made slightly more money for me. This is over 200,000 hands played for over a year.

Again AQ is a better hand heads up against KJ. a much better hand. but in a full ring game it can get you into more trouble than KJ. and in NL poker you want to avoid trouble and not steer directly into it early in the tourney.

 

[sherman]

I, as a non pro poker player says "It depends" (where are you in the game, what is your stack, whom are you playing against, etc)

 

[DonDollars]

on my Pokertracker (after only 125,00 hands....as my hard drive crashed and I lost over 400,000 like a retard without having them backed up).....I am

AQ + $163.00
KJ -$-19.45

I like AQ better. I see where you are coming from....but if you have discipline and self control....which you apparently do.....I don't see how you wouldn't like AQ better.

Who cares though.

Best of luck to you.

 

[bblight]

My two cents

Green Doberman has it right - in terms of outs, the k-j offers straight possibilies in both directions, while the a-q has only one side.

Aces are still the most powerful pair on the board - and the queen is the second most powerful kicker.

The location of the button would also determine just how strong the a-q is since you'd have a feel for strong pairs once most of the players have bet if you're betting late in the round, rather than being in front of the big blind.

Hey Fishhead - I'll take the a-q and you can have the k-j. Good luck.

 

[sherman]

Green Doberman has it right - in terms of outs, the k-j offers straight possibilies in both directions, while the a-q has only one side.

Aces are still the most powerful pair on the board - and the queen is the second most powerful kicker.

The location of the button would also determine just how strong the a-q is since you'd have a feel for strong pairs once most of the players have bet if you're betting late in the round, rather than being in front of the big blind.

Hey Fishhead - I'll take the a-q and you can have the k-j. Good luck.

:lolBIG: :toast:

 

[CHOPTALK]

A-Q is a TROUBLE hand, plain and simple........not a good moneymaker.

So much so, that even Doyle Brunson has stated that he NEVER raises or calls a rasie with it!

-Fishhead-

By the way, I would recommend to everybody Doyles new SUPER SYSTEM II book!

I think Brunson is bluffing you fishhead. And you took his bait. :lolBIG:

 

[Fishhead]

Personally, I am not a fan of either the majority of the time in a ring/tourney game with many players............and routinely play both hands poorly being the so-so player that I am.

Good discussion, thanks for the replies.

 

[Dante]

NO way FISH.... your an UNDERDOG if you go ALL in with KJ vs AQ I disagree man

 

[drunkguy]

FISH, care to explain your reasoning behind this statement

"Doyle said it" is not going to cut it

 

[Fishhead]

NO way FISH.... your an UNDERDOG if you go ALL in with KJ vs AQ I disagree man

Absolutely you are all-in!!

Heads-up the A-Q is over a 62% favorite over the K-J.

-F-

 

[drunkguy]

OK Fish, since you choose not to answer, I presume that means you don't have a clue WTF you're talking about. I am gonna guess you read this somewhere and posted it here hoping people would see you as intelligent

First of all, the AQ is the better hand no matter how you spin it. It is better headfs up and better on a full table. Basic math will tell you this.

Some people have said the "KJ is easier to get away from" I think that is not true

Most hands that you make with KJ make better hands for your opponent. Furthermore, the KJ "draw" hands require a board with a lot of high cards (obviously)

Thiose kind of boards will rarely give you the pot odds you need to keep calling. Mostly those board are going to be of the raise/fold variety.

 

[Fishhead]

Great responses everybody!

Thanks for taking the time to discuss and share your thoughts in this thread.

The great thing about hold'em is that there are so many underlying theories and strategies to analyze..........and they are never all constant because of the type of players at your table.

DG- Your right, been playing hold'em for 20 years and I still to this day know very little about the game as a whole........................and is one of the reasons I prefer video poker instead because I know the exact odds AND strategy at ALL times. Much easier for a mentally challenged individual such as myself.