9-11, 20 years later, do you think it was an inside job?

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Yea. That’s mentioned in this thread. It’s just good for thought. People need to look into and use common sense. Sometimes we don’t wanna believe
The official story is not believable and the 9/11 Commission Report is a joke.

"We found their passports in the rubble!!" :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, the criminal "mastermind" of the entire plot is still awaiting trial. 21 years...in limbo forever. Why? Because the govt story would fall apart.

The missile and hologram conspiracy websites are diversions, probably run by the Deep State itself.
 

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A plane did not hit the Pentagon. At least not the type of plane they said hit it

If you do some research it becomes painfully clear that is a lie
 

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A plane did not hit the Pentagon. At least not the type of plane they said hit it

If you do some research it becomes painfully clear that is a lie

Not true

Literally thousands of witnesses described what they saw that day, thousands. They all saw, without exception, a commercial jet flying very low through DC followed by a large explosion. They were stuck in traffic commuting to work, they were walking, they were looking out their windows from their offices and their hotel rooms. Many actually watched the crash.

Furthermore, a commercial airline lost an airplane and a crew. Scores of passengers died. The airlines, families, friends, neighbors, colleagues all mourned the deaths of those people. They're not part of some bizarre conspiracy that millions of people are covering up.

Lastly and least importantly, forensic scientists have reconstructed exactly how a commercial airplane hit the pentagon and created the damage it did.

Based on evidence, a commercial jet flew into the Pentagon. It's simply undeniable
 

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I'm just reposted my work from over a decade ago

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like I said before, where are the pilots, crew & passengers? why did all those families mourn?

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="postrow"><td class="postcontent" style="border-top: 6px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(80, 80, 80); font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;" bgcolor="#505050" valign="top" height="90%">"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn�t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

That's just a small smattering of people who have gone on record as seeing the plane, and the plane hit the Pentagon. I could have included the dozens of people who saw the plane, but didn't see it hit (because it went behind a bridge, a hill, or some trees), but I choose only to post the ones that sounded the most valid and actually saw the plane hit the building. (I included the one firechief who states he saw some plane wreckage during firefighting/rescue attempts.) There are most likely twenty times more that either haven't been publicly recorded as seeing the crash, or simply don't want the attention. You can't honeslty sit there and deny the witnesses, the photographs, the facts, the science, and the reality that there was a terrorist attack on the Pentagon if you look at everything available and not one single tidbit of information at a time.

911 Tape of EMV responding to the Pentagon - includes video outside and inside the building in some areas. (Real Audio Required)


Conclusion
I highly doubt that local firefighters would be involved in any sort of a coverup. I highly doubt that local police officers would be involved in any sort of a government cover up. Cops and firemen are just average Joes like you and me, who go home to the wife and kids, and just try to make a living and have a good life for their families (I have many friends in both professions - of course the firemen are usually more stable marriage-wise because of their job but that doesn't make the cops any less human than you or I). The men and women who pulled over a hundred people (dead and alive) out of that building would more likely than not have noticed somebody carrying over 60 bodies into the middle of the fire they were fighting. To say that the plane that hit the Pentagon was not filled with every single person who died in this terrorist attack (not counting the unfortunate people inside the building) is one thing and one thing only - ignorant.

Review the facts
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it.
For an alternative viewpoint to this article, visit The Pentagon Was Not Hit by a 757.

[edit on 14-5-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

ATS ADMIN NOTE: Nearly five years after the catastrophic events of 9/11/2001, many questions still surround this defining moment of the post-cold-war world. Among the many questions are the various speculations that the Pentagon attack was by some other means than a hijacked passenger airliner.

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<hr color="#d0d0d0" size="1" width="100%"> ATS ADMIN NOTE: Nearly five years after the catastrophic events of 9/11/2001, many questions still surround this defining moment of the post-cold-war world. Among the many questions are the various speculations that the Pentagon attack was by some other means than a hijacked passenger airliner. This thread has become the single-most popular piece of content on AboveTopSecret.com, sparking inspired debate and research throughout the Internet. However, the volume of material and issues on this subject (and in this thread alone) is overwhelming, making specific conclusions difficult, and evolution beyond the issue of what hit the Pentagon impossible. <hr color="#d0d0d0" size="1" width="100%">
 

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And again

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Absolutely, positively was

There are thousands, not a few, thousands and thousands or eyewitnesses that saw that very thing.

They were commuting to work, they were walking, they were site seeing, they were looking out their windows at hotels and offices, they were stuck in traffic.... and they all saw a low flying commercial jet flying towards the pentagon

Plus their were scores of people on that flight that day, their families, friends, neighbors and colleagues that mourned their loses. One of them was Barbara Olsen, a Fox News contributor that hasn't been seen since.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html

https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-xpm-20011017-2001-10-17-0110170097-story.html

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-new...u-professor-watched-plane-crash-into-pentagon
 

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People that would have to be involved in the coverup. Seriously, stop, take a breath, weigh the evidence and think. This coverup would be beyond the scope of anything any of us can even imagine.

the federal government
the CIA
the FBI
air traffic controllers
the airlines
airline pilots
airline passengers
airline investigators
families, friends, colleagues and neighbors of all the deceased that mourned the deaths of their loved ones, and do so to this day
international intelligence agencies (they helped reconstruct the buildup world wide)
the ENTIRE FUCKING US media
the worldwide media
al-Quaeda
al jazeera
UBL
insurance companies (they paid claims)
insurance investigators
implosion engineers
forensic engineers
seismographic scientists
NYPD
NYFD
NYC residents
5,000,000 eyewitnesses
heads of state from throughout the world
Hollywood producers, somebody had to create the holograms
MIT engineering studies
Purdue engineering studies
Columbia research scientists
families of passengers that said they received phone calls

and on and on and on and on and on and on

it's astonishingly stupid to think such can be pulled off, not even conceivable, simply not plausible

21 years later, they still have nothing. You would think somebody would have blown the lid off this thing by now, A? Still nothing.! That fact alone should hit home
 

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Onto implosions. Watch a video of what an implosion sounds, then observe how a building falls. I especially love the pictures of beams found still standing that supposedly started the building to collapse 75+ stories higher. Truly remarkable. Another example of why people should believe pictures posted on the internet. Shocking that actually needs to be said. But I digress. On to my old arguments, hope it helps. If not, I don't care, I'm moving on.

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http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC STUDY 8-06 w clarif as of 9-8-06 .pdf

I give a lot of weight to reports like this. Implosion experts who happen to be from greater NYC and who were working at multiple greater NYC sites that day.

It addresses seismographs on pages 6 & 9.

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http://www.mgs.md.gov/esic/publications/download/911pentagon.pdf

Columbia Univ talking about seismic activity on 9/11

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http://www.geology110.com/seismic.html

this site says the collapses registered a 2.1 and 2.3

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Columbia Univ says Alex Jones and Prison Planet are incorrect when interpreting the readings of their seismographic readings that were released to the public.

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Seismic Spikes
Claim: Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. "The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth," reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.

A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are "indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down" the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each "sharp spike of short duration," says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a "demolition-style implosion."





Fine Lines: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below). (Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University: Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist; Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director; Mary Tobin, senior science writer)

FACT: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."
The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.
On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear—misleadingly—as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves—blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower—start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

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I know I know

All these people are part of the coverup

I'll make it easy, I'm part of the coverup. That's why I'm here, it's my job
 

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Willie, if you think 9-11 was organic I have some swamp land to sell you.

Those buildings did not fall on their own and there is far to many coincidences for things to just have happened. Add in who the terrorists were and who they were connected with, etc.
 

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Willie, if you think 9-11 was organic I have some swamp land to sell you.

Those buildings did not fall on their own and there is far to many coincidences for things to just have happened. Add in who the terrorists were and who they were connected with, etc.
It is interesting all the studies, test, engineers say the odds are against the planes bringing the towers down. Especially building 7. No way in hell
 

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It is interesting all the studies, test, engineers say the odds are against the planes bringing the towers down. Especially building 7. No way in hell

That's just not true, it's the exact opposite
 

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The official story is not believable and the 9/11 Commission Report is a joke.

"We found their passports in the rubble!!" :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, the criminal "mastermind" of the entire plot is still awaiting trial. 21 years...in limbo forever. Why? Because the govt story would fall apart.

The missile and hologram conspiracy websites are diversions, probably run by the Deep State itself.
I’m just glad our government would never lie to us

Or make false accusations one after the other on a true president.

Or ignore 2 laptops from hell, spying and fake Russia interference or a pedo island where crimes against children occurred by elite officials.
 

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Has anyone anywhere ever cited "the government report" when discussing 9/11? I know I haven't. I have cited the airlines, eyewitnesses, insurance investigators, seismographic studies, forensic scientists, first responders, the entire international media, every government in the world, mourning families. one neighbor and stuff like there are not like 37,261,412 people in this world involved in this coverup and the fact that 21 years later the "truthers" HAVE NOTHING.

Are we now supposed to believe that because politicians are capable of lying, well 9/11 must be an inside job? Seriously? So damn bizarre

I think "truthers" commit just about every argumentative fallacy known to mankind when making their statements. I'm attacking the humorous strawman they think is making their case for them. Too damn funny

Time doing it's thing, at it's not being kind to truthers.
 

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^^^^^^

Damn, that's like listening to Adam Schiff talking about Russian Collusion. A bunch or words, absolutely no substance

Of course, I cited everything but the federal government, but I digress. 21 Years later, this top "investigator" got nothing too
 

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Declassified Guantanamo Court Filing Suggests Some 9/11 Hijackers Were Possibly CIA Assets, Ex-FBI Agents Accuse Agency of Obstructing Investigations​


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That declassified document proves how the CIA repeatedly lied and stonewalled the FBI in its investigations into the 9/11 hijackers. The CIA did the same stonewalling with the 9/11 Commission.

But the most damming revelation of that document is how the CIA used its liaison relationship with Saudi intelligence attempting to recruit the 9/11 hijackers in order to circumvent laws which were supposed to prevent the agency from conducting spying operations on US soil. So they used the Saudis as a go-between....just like Crooked Hillary used British intel to spy on Trump.

Of course as I noted earlier in this thread, Osama bin Laden was as CIA as George H.W. Bush - recruited and trained by the criminal same agency to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, an inconvenient truth ignored by the sheep so hung up in "debunking" engineered explosions, missiles flying into the Pentagon, and other such nonsense/diversions.

#Deep State Cabal

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