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Unrest in Iraq is costing Halliburton money ... now, they may be making up for this with the higher oil prices, I'm not sure, but I'm inclined to think that, now that Saddam is gone and they have secured the pipelines (unless you count those pesky attacks on them) that things will be better for them if they can drill and purge without interruption. In truth, I'm just speculating on this.

I am saying that I think LM can gain from a long-term occupation, but Halliburton's profit motive has already been realised. People aren't wrong when they say that the Cheney/Halliburton connection has merit as a motive. The degree to which it plays a part in the motive is in dispute.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SENDITIN:

P.S. Guys as smart as Cheney can make boatloads more in the private sector without any aggravation. To say he doesn't care about casualties isn't productive and I'm sure untrue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite possibly true. But the private sector will never buy the kind of power that the Vice Presidency can, nor the place in history that the textbooks will no doubt provide him.

I do not think this war was all about money; I think it was all about power.
 

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Cheney is as crooked as they come. Let's pretend for a minute that his 2 DUIs are no evidence of his character.

When he was Vice President back in late 80s and Mud was getting out of the Marine Corps, Cheney was heavily involved in privatizing many of the functions that the services did for themeslves such as food services, transportation services and engineering.

This was during a time of down-sizing of the military during Republican Administration (as an aside many of the same Republicans who supported this of course later criticized Clinton for being weak on defense).

One of the main companies that benefited from this was Haliburton. No big deal there.

Interestingly enough, who thereafter went to work for Haliburton as CEO? The master architect of the privatization of defense, none other than our boy Dick.

Subsequently, under his tenure they had a massive accounting scandal which still has not been resolved. And of course they formed a little offshore subsidiary oil company to get around the sanctions against Iraq, in other words so they could deal with that madman of all madmen, Saddam Hussein. You know, the guy with the WMDs and the ties to al qaeda. The most evil of dictators, etc.etc.etc.

When the Iraq war kicked off in 2003 Haliburton had already been awarded the contracts to put out any well fires. All the previous companies that had done the same type of work in Gulf War I were excluded. This was documented on 60 Minutes.

Now,who gets the exclusive non-compete food services and fuel supply bid to feed the troops after the Gulf War? Can you say Haliburton? Who subsequently gets charged by DOD for price gouging? Haliburton.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that Cheney has like 4 million plus shares in Haliburton?

Folks, that is why they have competitive bidding. All the talk about not enough time, nobody else qualified is all bullshvt.

Now, do I think we went to war to make profits for big companies? Hell, no. But did Cheney and the neocons make sure that they and their cronies were in place to reap financial benefits once it started? You better believe it.

Leahy was dead on in accusing him of being a war profiteer. He oughta be pilloried in public.
 

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Get your facts straight Mud...Cheney divested those shares long ago. And the options that he has left are in a blind trust with the proceeds being donated to charity.

P.S. Halliburton put out 300 plus oil fires in Kuwait in the first war so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe we should have got the French involved.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SENDITIN:
Get your facts straight Mud...Cheney divested those shares long ago. And the options that he has left are in a blind trust with the proceeds being donated to charity.

P.S. Halliburton put out 300 plus oil fires in Kuwait in the first war so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe we should have got the French involved.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough, but let's have a looksee at the Boards Cheney lands himself on after he's done at the White House before you presume that he has no personal profit motive.
 

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Send, you are right on the stocks and options. I stand corrected. What I should have said about his current financial ties:Cheney is still paid by Pentagon contractor

Bush deputy gets up to $1m from firm with Iraq oil deal

Robert Bryce in Austin, Texas and Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday March 12, 2003
The Guardian

Halliburton, the Texas company which has been awarded the Pentagon's contract to put out potential oil-field fires in Iraq and which is bidding for postwar construction contracts, is still making annual payments to its former chief executive, the vice-president Dick Cheney.
The payments, which appear on Mr Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, are in the form of "deferred compensation" of up to $1m (£600,000) a year.

When he left Halliburton in 2000 to become George Bush's running mate, he opted not to receive his leaving payment in a lump sum but instead have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons.

An aide to the vice president said yesterday: "This is money that Mr Cheney was owed by the corporation as part of his salary for the time he was employed by Halliburton and which was a fixed amount paid to him over time."

The aide said the payment was even insured so that it would not be affected even if Halliburton went bankrupt, to ensure there was no conflict of interest.

"Also, the vice president has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pentagon bidding process," the aide added.

The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1m. Nor is it clear how they are calculated.

Halliburton is one of five large US corporations - the others are the Bechtel Group, Fluor Corp, Parsons Corp, and the Louis Berger Group - invited to bid for contracts in what may turn out to be the biggest reconstruction project since the second world war.

It is estimated to be worth up to $900m for the preliminary work alone, such as rebuilding Iraq's hospitals, ports, airports and schools.

The contract winners will be able to establish a presence in post-Saddam Iraq that should give them an invaluable edge in winning future contracts.

The defence department contract awarded to the Halliburton subsidiary, Kellog, Brown & Root (KBR), to control oil fires if Saddam Hussein sets the well heads alight, will put the company in an excellent position to bid for huge contracts when Iraq's oil industry is rehabilitated.

KBR has already benefited considerably from the "war on terror". It has so far been awarded contracts worth nearly $33m to build the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba for al-Qaida suspects.

Asked whether the payments to Mr Cheney represented a conflict of interest, Halliburton's spokeswoman, Wendy Hall, said: "We have been working as a government contractor since the 1940s. Since this time, KBR has become the premier provider of logistics and support services to all branches of the military."

In the five years Mr Cheney was at the helm, Halliburton nearly doubled the amount of business it did with the government to $2.3bn. The company also more than doubled its political contributions to $1.2m, overwhelmingly to Republican candidates.

Mr Cheney sold most of his Halliburton shares when he left the company, but retained stock options worth about $8m. He arranged to pay any profits to charity.
 

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Mud,

He just deferred his final compensation when he left Halliburton and took it over time rather than being whacked with taxes. That was money accrued while being CEO there...to infer that he is profiting by still getting his salary checks is disingenuous.
 

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I am no expert in stock options or deferred compensation so I will let your point stand - fair enough.

But in all honesty, you have no problem with the ethics of this non-bidding situation? You have no problems with the ethics of a man who right now talks about saddam as a madman but forms an offshhore subsidiary to do business with him?
 

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Mud,

There are very few companies in the WORLD who have Halliburton's expertise. We're not talking about putting out to bid pencils...this is complicated stuff. Halliburton has been doing contract work for the government for years including under Clinton, but of course the left doesn't mention this. There was also a fairly short amount of time to get prepared for this job and they were the only ones who could possibly get the job done in that time frame. Remember that all kinds of provisions had to be ready to put out any possible oil fires that Sadaam would light along the way.

I don't know all of the details of this "offshore subsidiary", but remember we've been buying oil from Iraq for years. The left are masters at repeating b.s. and if you repeat it enough it becomes fact. The right is guilty as well, but the left has made it an art form. I have a ton of respect for Cheney...he's a smart guy and great number two man with a ton of government and business experience. He isn't in this job for the cash and could tell everyone to f_ck off tomorrow and kick back and probably add a few years to his life.

I'm glad he told Leahy to f-ck off.
 

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Seeing how Paul O'Neill (a noted Republican) and Richard Clarke (appointed under Reagan) both stated that as soon as Bush Admin came in (January 2001), they started making plans for war against Iraq, they had no time to solicit bids when war kicked off more than two years later? Do you really think that passes common sense test?

Second, 60 Minutes went into great detail how companies were frozen out of the bidding process. there's no doubt Halliburton has been doing this kind of work for years but to insinuate that they are the only ones that are competent and that there was no time to put up for bids in the face of evidence carries no credibility.
 

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