63-0-2 ATS trend for Conference Championship games

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Which is a huge % of games. There is a very large difference between 0% and 14-18% in my opinion.

When 4% is a huge difference between a losing season of hitting 50% winners and a winning season of hitting 54% winners, you had better take into consideration the point spread if it matters 14-18% of all NFL games.

I've never understood your logic with regard to this statement. Oddsmakers want you to believe it is as easy as "pick the winner". From years of experience you should know that strategy is the quick road to the poor house.


only showing it every year...this year 41 games this year that the points matter out of 256 games that's 16%...funny thing is...in the playoff for the last 4 years...points have matter 3-4 games out of the 11 games counting the super bowl...this year with 8 of the 11 that have been played...the points did not matter....it will be a rare year if one of the last 3 game dont matter!!!

I dont live by "points that dont matter...its just one of those stats that jump out at you......two years ago there was 39 of them...I seem to have bet and lost 15 of them ...my team won but did not cover....

just reporting the fact...41 games out of 256 the points matter....but I will give you even money ...one is coming in the next 3 games..if history repeats itself.
 

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holy smokes..that is most intersting...Ive ben told dont bet on the the money line if the favorite in this game before..use the same cash onthe point spread and win more....I think this must be why!
 

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Question for Big Lou:

Off the trend subject, I wondered if you set up your set of parameters to disqualify teams who would not win the Super Bowl? I believe it was a 2-strike system. Wondering what team survived your process of elimination?
Thanks.
 

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Again, I am confused here I guess. It would seem that if points can only result in either a win or a loss (or a push), how can the percentage of games where points matter be a range? Wouldn't it be a single percentage? If the points matter 14% of the time, then 86% of the time they don't. How can it be 14-18%?


I was going back to 1980...it can only be one % pre year......but over 28 years it range from 14-18% in any given year.
 

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This topic comes up all the time and is debated to death, I don't get it why people don't understand what a basically useless statement "all you have to do is pick the winner" is. First off I'm not a great math guy and yet I get how wrong that statement is. I'm going to paste an article from a great capper and number cruncher, his name is Number Freak and maybe you've heard of him. It's a response where he addresses this topic. This paticulair article is good but he has another post I can't find now that really went into the mathematical aspect of this. This post is over three years old now but it should shed some light on this for some.

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I've seen it posted on this site and others many times that "all you have to do is pick the SU winner because the point spread only comes into play 16-19% of the time."

This statement is both true and false. A classic example of how numbers can mislead if you don't analyze them correctly.

While it is true that the SU winner fails to cover the spread 16-19% of the time (lines vary, I have it at 19% over the last 20 years), the situations where we would ideally look to this for reassurance would be when playing favorites. Cappers are trying to justify or rationalize their wager on the favorite, not the underdog. It's common sense that all SU dog winners cover and that warps the numbers and misleads the public. So, to analyze correctly as I mentioned, throw that 19% out the window.

We need to only analyze favorites first off, and second, we need a breakdown of each point spread range. How can we assign one number (19%) to every point spread? We can't, but that's what people post on these sites. It's simple mathematics that the spread comes into play more in 10-point lines than 3-point lines.


So, here's the real story. That 19% number is for favorites AND dogs and also an average of ALL lines. The average line is 5 points so 19% would be accurate at 5 points and 5 only. However we can only measure favorites which raises that average number considerably to 29% over all lines but to get this accurate and usable, we need a range breakdown.


The spread comes into play this often when betting FAVORITES....RS = regular season; PS = post season

For lines Pk-2.5...7% RS; 18% PS (only 11 PS samples)
For lines 3.0-6.5...25% RS; 22% PS
For lines 7.0-9.5...39% RS; 29% PS
For lines 10.0-13.5...42% RS; 25% PS (only 24 PS samples)
For lines 14.0-16.5...52% RS; 50% PS (only 4 PS samples)
For lines 17.0-19.5...57% RS; 0% PS (only 23 RS & 2 PS samples)
For lines 20.0+...67% RS; N/A PS (only 6 RS & 0 PS samples)

Since the playoffs samples are limited in certain line ranges, here are all lines combined:

29% RS; 25% PS


You can see the drastic increase from less than 3 points, to more than 3 points, to more than 7 points, dispelling the popular myth that the line matters only 16-19% of all games. What this all shows me is that there is no angle to benefit us here. Obviously, the line matters more at higher spreads than lower and therefore nullifies any advantage to just predicting the SU winner. It is very easy to predict SU winners in double digit spreads but very difficult to do so at <3.
 

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Tough to make any real use out of "pick the straight up winner".....but one thing I have taken out of it, is if you're betting on an underdog you better feel confident enough in that dog that that team can absolutely win the game outright, because the points rarely hold up if that dog loses the game. That's the moral behind "the points only matter 14-20/whatever low percent of the time."

Clearly it's different when a dog is getting 3 points compared to 14......you don't hear people talking about taking a dog and the 3 points claiming that the dog will lose the game but by only 1 or 2 points.....as the pointspread increases to 7-10-13-14, then you hear people saying they think the favorite will win, but not by double digits....
 

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I do not use a system like that anymore. Sorry.

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Which is a huge % of games. There is a very large difference between 0% and 14-18% in my opinion.

When 4% is a huge difference between a losing season of hitting 50% winners and a winning season of hitting 54% winners, you had better take into consideration the point spread if it matters 14-18% of all NFL games.

I've never understood your logic with regard to this statement. Oddsmakers want you to believe it is as easy as "pick the winner". From years of experience you should know that strategy is the quick road to the poor house.


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Why do you have a hardtime understanding this? All Ace is saying is the pointspread only plays a role in 14-18 percent of all games played. It has nothing to do with a gamblers winning betting percentages, hes just stating the line in games really doesnt mean that much. In other words if there was a 100 games and you could pick the winner in all 100 games, you would really only lose 14-18 games to the line out of those 100 games. The hard part is actually picking the winning side:toast:
 

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Why do you have a hardtime understanding this? All Ace is saying is the pointspread only plays a role in 14-18 percent of all games played. It has nothing to do with a gamblers winning betting percentages, hes just stating the line in games really doesnt mean that much. In other words if there was a 100 games and you could pick the winner in all 100 games, you would really only lose 14-18 games to the line out of those 100 games. The hard part is actually picking the winning side:toast:

I don't have a hard time understanding what he is saying. I have a hard time understanding its usefulness. And as Thomas posted, the percentages are actually much larger than the percentages Ace listed.

My main problem is I see Ace post in various threads this exact information as if it is helpful for others when making a decision on a play. He provides no "context" and many inexperienced bettors could easily be swayed, thinking that "points are insignificant" when a well-respected poster such as Ace mentions they "only" occur in 14-18% of the games.

That is my concern. If other people read and believe Ace's very general and inaccurate statement (that he repeatedly makes in many threads) of "points only matter in 14-18% of all games" and think they should pick SU winners as opposed to accounting for the spread. People who do that are putting their money at risk and it is not a wise strategy or habit to get into. It surprises me that someone as seasoned as Ace would think that it is a useful stat and is helpful when wagering. I find it to be misleading for the younger and less experienced crowd who don't realize how important just a few percentage points can be between a winning season and a losing season.
 

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There is a very large difference between 0% and 14-18% in my opinion.

I agree completely. In a normal sample of 65 regular season games the record in this trend of winning teams covering the spread would be about 54-11. In Conference Championship games it is 63-0-2. Huge difference in my opinion.
 

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Since 1970, in Conference Championship games where the line is less than 10 points, the winning team is a perfect 63-0-2 against the spread.

So based on this trend for Sunday's games, if you like the favorite don't worry about giving the points, and don't play the ML. But if you like the dog, you should play the ML instead of taking the points.


The trend is now 65-0-2!
Hope some of you utilized it on your wagers on Sunday.
BOL on the Superbowl.

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