5 Dimes and my $923.00

[drunkguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Java:

Drunk guy, as is _common practice with SPORTS_ the most desirable outcome for a team wins. If this were GOLF strokes, would 72 or 73 win?

Since FEWER knockdowns is better, lowest number wins in this case. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not true...it has nothing to do with what is better...what about props on # of interceptions, # of penalties, # of walks given up by a pitcher. It is always HOW MANY OF THE GIVEN THING AND WHATEVER OCCURRED MORE OFTEN WINS

It is common practice in PROPS to have the thing that occurs the most # of times win.

If there is any question, a look at the lines would tell you otherwise...why would +1/2 make the bet more of a favorite (in this case goes from +325 to +1/2 -240). How can buying a half make the line more negative if lower is better?

Lines posted by 5 dimes on page 1 of this thread:

TIMES HOPKINS KNOCKED DOWN "+325"
TIMES HOPKINS KNOCKED DOWN +½ -273

just looking at the posted lines tells you HIGHER is BETTER

 

[SportSavant]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> as is common practice with SPORTS the most desirable outcome for a team wins. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

important point... this is the main reason this prop is so confusing... least desirable outcome needed to win... Drunkguy makes good points...

Fact is Prop should have been worded in a Full sentence

PROP was graded correctly....

We Need to SHift the Debate....

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING PROOF IN THIS CASE. THE CUSTOMER WHO CLAIMS A CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE EXPLAINING THE PROP, OR THE BOOK WHO CLAIMS THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF THE CONVERSATION?

 

[postaldoug]

I see Kenny's point. If I were backing Hopkins ( about-200), I might prefer doing with this prop ( taking Oscar -.5 about +200). A knockdown advantage would seem somewhat probable for Hopkins. I don't know boxing well enough to determine what fair odds on no knockdown would be ( or 1 for each fighter).

A key point would be what other shops had for a line on similar props . Someone brought this up before, but I never saw an answer.

The bet lost, but there are other factors at work here.

I wonder how much 5 Dimes wrote on this ?

 

[SportSavant]

'No Knockdown' was definately the favorite vs 'Knockdown'....

I would Guess something like -160 +140

 

[wilheim]

Getting plus half a knowkdown is the reason you had to lay -240. Personally I don't see where all the mystery lies.


wil.

 

[BaseballGuy]

EGD AND Drunk please STFU already. You made your point that you think everyone here is retarded.

I think you are both fools with a hidden agenda. Both a simpleton and a harvard math grad would have found this prop confusing.

 

[postaldoug]

Wil: He didn't truely get a half a knockdown, not like getting half a puck.

He gets it basically if there an equal number of knockdowns on both sides, but not if Hopkins" wins " 1-0.

I learned something here, for one !

 

[wilheim]

Right the half a knockdown is good if there were no knockdowns or an equal number by both fighters. Just like plus half a goal wins a 1-1 tie.

wil.

 

[SportSavant]

WIL,

nobody was getting a knockdown in this prop? lol... the prop is how many each contestent was 'KNOCKED' down...

herin lies the confusion

 

[SportSavant]

AGAIN... THE POINT HERE IS NOT TO DISCUSS THIS PROP AT NAUSEUM, WHO CARES... THE POINT IS BF CLAIMS HE MADE A PHONE CALL.... IS THE BOOK RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESENTING TAPES OF THIS CALL OR IS THE CUSTOMER RESPONSIBLE FOR COMING UP WITH THIS PROOF?

 

[postaldoug]

Yes Wil: a half goal + wins a 1-1 tie, but it doesn't lose a 1-0 win

 

[wilheim]

Doug I know, but it does lose in a 1-0 loss, which was the case here. DLH knocked down once, Hopkins knocked down half a time. Result 1 to.5 DLH wins the most knockdowns prop by half a KD. Bet on Hopkins even getting half a KD loses. Remember the only reason the juice was so high was Hopkins wins a tie with this prop.

wil.

 

[IDENTITY]

SPORTSAVANT - for future reference, the terminology is "ad nauseum" not "at nauseum." good luck with ur wagers sir.

 

[BaseballGuy]

any resolution??

 

[BaseballGuy]

hello hello.

 

[jeffbower]

What a bunch of geniuses!

Keep your racist comments off this forum.

 

[WalkofLife]

This thread is useless right now. I can hardly believe there are gamblers out there that are even discussing whether or not this proposition wager is clear. Based solely on common sense, I have to side with daringly, drunkguy and EGD.

I think the issue of the wording being clear or not has effectively been addressed by 5Dimes and it has been explained further by daringly:

5Dimes' prop was clear. I could figure that out from the original post.
If you're still in doubt, look at the odds offered. "Times Hopkins Knockdowns +0.5 -273" suggests this will happen about 1/4 of the time. This is consistent with Hopkins being a -200 favorite for the fight, and with the public believing neither fighter will get knocked down.
More often than not, the customer service at most books do not understand anything more complex than sides/moneylines bets. If you're going to put your money at risk on a prop, you owe it to yourself to at least read the prop closely, as this one is pretty straight-forward to any prop-bettor.

And drunkguy:

"times Hopkins Knocked Down + 1/2" means...count the number of times hopkins is knocked down and add 1/2 to that number
compare this to the opposite side of the prop "Times De La Hoya Knocked down"...if you need an explanation on that it means...count the number of times DeLa Hoya is knocked down
still confused?
now compare these 2 numbers to get your answer. As is common practice with props, the HIGHER number wins.
now, if anyone needs an explanation of what "# of times" means, or perhaps a refresher on our numeric system and how one number ranks in relation to another as far as which one is "greater than" let me know. I can also define "greater than" if needed.
For props like this, the number is generally low enough that you can do the counting calculations on your fingers. In extreme cases you may need to pull off you socks to finish the calculation.
This was actually a legitimate thread 100 posts ago when it was focused on whether or not 5 dimes CS rep decieved the player. Unfortunately it turned into a bunch of assclowns arguing the grading of the prop, which should not even be in question for anyone with rudimentary reading comprehension skills.

But the issue here is not the wording of the prop, the issue is simple:

Did 'tgoodm1' call in BEFORE he made the bet, yes or no?

5Dimes is a great shop and the owner busts his ass to post a very LARGE variety of props and original numbers. I find it very hard to believe that they would be looking forward to stiffing a player for a little over a dime.

It seems to me the book is making a stand. And it's also apparent that 'tgoodm1' might have had a legitimate case, but he blew it when he came in here callin the book 'thieves'. If he had come to the forums with a moderate approach, he might have been able to defend his position a little better. By calling 5 Dimes 'stiffs', he closed the doors to any rational discussion.

This thread is dead. The wager has been graded and 5 Dimes had to take a stand against the tone of this thread.

What will you do now? Will you stop playing at 5 Dimes based on this thread? Your loss.

Or will you make sure you understand what the fvck you're betting before laying the shackles? I'd think this would be the intelligent approach.

As a footnote, it's frankly amusing, yet scary to read some of the posts in this thread.