30 for 30: OJ Made in America - 5 part series - Starts Sat June 11th

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episode 5 had lots of footage previously unseen.

Interesting to see the interviews of his "friends" that once thought he was innocent, finally see the light.
 

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I got rained out at work today so I watched all the episodes online today... Must say that was the best 30 for 30 I've ever seen... The whole time I'm watching it I just felt like fuck this dude, what a pos, but I couldn't stop watching. The fact the jury let him off the hook to get white American back for Rodney King is just baffling
 
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I got rained out at work today so I watched all the episodes online today... Must say that was the best 30 for 30 I've ever seen... The whole time I'm watching it I just felt like fuck this dude, what a pos, but I couldn't stop watching. The fact the jury let him off the hook to get white American back for Rodney King is just baffling

I came away thinking OJ's lawyers were almost as much pieces of shit as he is. Cochran was willing to destroy many people's lives in order to free a man he knew deep down was guilty as hell.

Darden's and Marcia Clark's lives were never the same, the families of the murdered were crushed by the verdict. Fuhrman's life was destroyed. Gil Garcetti as well...
 

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I came away thinking OJ's lawyers were almost as much pieces of shit as he is. Cochran was willing to destroy many people's lives in order to free a man he knew deep down was guilty as hell.

Darden's and Marcia Clark's lives were never the same, the families of the murdered were crushed by the verdict. Fuhrman's life was destroyed. Gil Garcetti as well...

I was going to comment on the defense team anyway.

I'm fully supportive of the idea of an aggressive defense and using whatever legal strategy you feel is appropriate and ethical. But turning this guy into a "black man of the street" knowing it is completely fake and will sway the blacks on the jury is kind of sick.

I mean, OJ's defense lawyers not only sought to slander the police department, mislead the public, and inflame racial tensions, they did this thinking it was ok because some black men had been treated unfairly by the justice system. These guys did not care that two people were killed, they only used the frame of race to mount a defense.

If the two victims were black, would they have tried the same thing?

I really don't know those guys slept at night after the verdict and I'd have no problem taking a lead pipe to this Carl Douglas guy's head. What a disgusting human being he is sitting there all smug justifying what they did because of Watts and Rodney King.
 
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I was going to comment on the defense team anyway.

I'm fully supportive of the idea of an aggressive defense and using whatever legal strategy you feel is appropriate and ethical. But turning this guy into a "black man of the street" knowing it is completely fake and will sway the blacks on the jury is kind of sick.

I mean, OJ's defense lawyers not only sought to slander the police department, mislead the public, and inflame racial tensions, they did this thinking it was ok because some black men had been treated unfairly by the justice system. These guys did not care that two people were killed, they only used the frame of race to mount a defense.

If the two victims were black, would they have tried the same thing?

I really don't know those guys slept at night after the verdict and I'd have no problem taking a lead pipe to this Carl Douglas guy's head. What a disgusting human being he is sitting there all smug justifying what they did because of Watts and Rodney King.

Infuriating that that one juror bitch admitted that her not guilty vote was purely a payback for Rodney King, and said that viewpoint was held by many.
 

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Absolutely amazing documentary. I almost didn't watch the rest of it after the boring part 1. Part 2-5 were excellent. I didn't realize all the stupid shit OJ did to make money after the trial.

I also can't wait for the next 30 for 30...Doc and Darryl. My fav baseball players growing up as a kid. The original Coke boys. Should be another classic.
 

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Absolutely amazing documentary. I almost didn't watch the rest of it after the boring part 1. Part 2-5 were excellent. I didn't realize all the stupid shit OJ did to make money after the trial.

I also can't wait for the next 30 for 30...Doc and Darryl. My fav baseball players growing up as a kid. The original Coke boys. Should be another classic.

I knew some of it but I didn't know he was pumping out autographs Pete Rose style for $ and then sheltering it from the Goldman's. Makes sense, part 5 was the best part of the doc since it chronicled the aftermath of the trial from the civil suit (OJ seemed like he didn't give a shit about this, probably knew they couldn't take blood from a stone anyway), his Florida years, the memorabilia stuff, the ill-fated book deal and then obviously going to jail for armed robbery.

I didn't know the judge sentenced him the exact same day 13 years after the big trial or that he got 33 years which was the same amount of $ as Goldman was awarded. Certainly not a coincidence.

Part 4 dragged I thought, Darden's incompetence and Furhman's past were known and well chronicled so that didn't really do a ton for me.
 

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I was going to comment on the defense team anyway.

I'm fully supportive of the idea of an aggressive defense and using whatever legal strategy you feel is appropriate and ethical. But turning this guy into a "black man of the street" knowing it is completely fake and will sway the blacks on the jury is kind of sick.

I mean, OJ's defense lawyers not only sought to slander the police department, mislead the public, and inflame racial tensions, they did this thinking it was ok because some black men had been treated unfairly by the justice system. These guys did not care that two people were killed, they only used the frame of race to mount a defense.

If the two victims were black, would they have tried the same thing?

I really don't know those guys slept at night after the verdict and I'd have no problem taking a lead pipe to this Carl Douglas guy's head. What a disgusting human being he is sitting there all smug justifying what they did because of Watts and Rodney King.

Shapiro said afterwards that he would never work with Cochran or Bailey again and indicated he wasn't a fan of their tactics. Those guys are cutthroat lawyers and they knew that OJ had no real path to victory other than playing up the past of the LAPD and race relations in LA.

I thought Ito came out avoiding criticism for all of this way more than he should've, he was the judge. He shouldn't have allowed the case to be a referendum on the last 25 years of Los Angeles law enforcement but rather about a man killing two people. He just had no control over the court room. Even in the documentary, he really doesn't get nearly enough blame for his incompetence.
 

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I know the doc was trying to be ultra-serious and observant about LA and culture in general so it didn't want to broach a less serious topic, but they should've had some talk about what Goldman and Nicole's relationship was. They just went with the basic "He was bringing her mother's sunglasses back" when they were known to hangout together and be good friends. Goldman would drive her Ferrari sometimes when they would go to LA hot spots. They were a lot more than acquaintances at the very least.

Here is a decent old LA Times article about Goldman and his relationship with Nicole.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-oj-anniv-goldman-story.html
 
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I know the doc was trying to be ultra-serious and observant about LA and culture in general so it didn't want to broach a less serious topic, but they should've had some talk about what Goldman and Nicole's relationship was. They just went with the basic "He was bringing her mother's sunglasses back" when they were known to hangout together and be good friends. Goldman would drive her Ferrari sometimes when they would go to LA hot spots. They were a lot more than acquaintances at the very least.

Here is a decent old LA Times article about Goldman and his relationship with Nicole.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-oj-anniv-goldman-story.html


Amazing, that's the first I have heard in all these years that Goldman had a relationship w/ Nicole, even if it was just friends.
 

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Amazing, that's the first I have heard in all these years that Goldman had a relationship w/ Nicole, even if it was just friends.

Yeah given all the scrutiny around all of the events, I am surprised it has been glossed over.

Chris Rock talked about it in his 1996 comedy special "Bring The Pain", he mentions that Goldman was known to drive Nicole's Ferrari (which OJ paid for) around town.

I'm guessing this was not lost on OJ when he was viciously stabbing the shit out of him. Even if they weren't hooking up, he probably assumed they were and that night was not the first time he had seen or heard of Goldman in his life.
 
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Shapiro said afterwards that he would never work with Cochran or Bailey again and indicated he wasn't a fan of their tactics. Those guys are cutthroat lawyers and they knew that OJ had no real path to victory other than playing up the past of the LAPD and race relations in LA.

I thought Ito came out avoiding criticism for all of this way more than he should've, he was the judge. He shouldn't have allowed the case to be a referendum on the last 25 years of Los Angeles law enforcement but rather about a man killing two people. He just had no control over the court room. Even in the documentary, he really doesn't get nearly enough blame for his incompetence.

Channeling Trump voice: Can you believe this Judge Ito guy? He's awful. I mean, can you believe him? He bungled this case from the beginning and now he wants to be on Larry King?
Just a bad guy, awful guy, Ito.


How about the film makers getting Barry Scheck to just stammer all over himself when basically asked if he supported what he said to the jury? That was pretty damn revealing.
 

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There is some irony to OJ being in jail here in Nevada. That case was a sham of a case. So basically you saw our justice system fail twice .... letting him go the first time and sending him to jail the second time. Not too good. At least the murderer went to jail, I suppose .... but just awful how bad the justice system failed .....

So you have a guy get off because a group of people wanted to send a message (I guess)about how African Americans were the victim of a corrupt justice system and it was worth letting a murderer go free to do it and then you had the corrupt justice system they were making a statement about put the same guy in jail. Oh the irony.
 

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I heard years ago on a radio show that Jason his son from first marriage might have killed Nicole was there anything to that ?
 

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