20 suspected dead in Orlando night club shooting. Terrorism suspected.

[MantisToboggan]

How about during the 3 times he was questioned a red flag goes up.

This isn't a police state. People have rights.

 

[vitterd]

Due process? I don't care if it was written in 1700 or 2000, it's a positive for all of us.

Nah.....the times are just so different. Something has to be done.....if we know somebody has expressed their allegiance to ISIS.....he becomes the enemy and should lose rights to purchase firearms.

 

[boss415]

That sounds great and all....but this scum was a US born citizen. For people to be saying it wouldn't happen if Trump was president is as dumb as dumb gets.

Now Trump is accepting "congrats" on Twitter for being right. How fucking sick is that? This guy was questioned by FBI several times and because are idiotic gun laws.....he could buy all this ammunition with no problem. The fact that nobody sees that as part of the problem is very scary.

People werent saying it wouldnt have happened if trump was president. You drummed that up yourself. He will acknowledge the threat though and I beleive he will do something about it.

 

[RenoChazz]

Well, we can put people on a no fly list ....so why not a no gun list? I mean, we know this guy was an ISIS piece of shit but because of something written in 1700's....we can't stop him from buying unlimited ammunition. Can't we apply logic to this stuff?

and there is no need for assault weapons. Nobody should own a killing machine that's only function is to kill as many people as quickly as possible.

We put people on the no fly list without due process. You can't take away a right without due process in this country, it's a dangerous idea.

 

[Enfuego]

How about during the 3 times he was questioned a red flag goes up.

Red flags can go up but unless he's involved in illegal activity, he can't be arrested only monitored. He has rights as a US Citizen.

 

[IAM4UK]

Due process? I don't care if it was written in 1700 or 2000, it's a positive for all of us.

You have to ignore vitter, he speaks of this list as if it's a legal document. He can't explain how someone gets on the list or how someone can get off the list, he chooses not to tell us how a law abiding citizen that's on the list can't be afforded due process. Hes never been to a gun range where 1 person can shoot 1000 rounds in a day, he can't understand the concept that a gun hobbiest, that shoots, will buy ammo in bulk, can vitter explain to use how he would track all those who reload their own ammo? Vitt how would you track people who reload their own ammo?

 

[vitterd]

People werent saying it wouldnt have happened if trump was president. You drummed that up yourself. He will acknowledge the threat though and I beleive he will do something about it.

Cmon.....anytime something happens, the same group says "vote trump" and he will put a stop to it.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Nah.....the times are just so different. Something has to be done.....if we know somebody has expressed their allegiance to ISIS.....he becomes the enemy and should lose rights to purchase firearms.

I guess this is where the conversation ends. I can't convince you that due process is vital in a free society and you certainly can't convince me it is not.

 

[IAM4UK]

People werent saying it wouldnt have happened if trump was president. You drummed that up yourself. He will acknowledge the threat though and I beleive he will do something about it.

The other side of that argument is do you think Hillary would do anything different that Obama has done in the past 7 1/2 years.

 

[IAM4UK]

I guess this is where the conversation ends. I can't convince you that due process is vital in a free society and you certainly can't convince me it is not.

Dont need to explain it to him, he can read either the 5th or 14th amendment if he has any question.

 

[MantisToboggan]

The other side of that argument is do you think Hillary would do anything different that Obama has done in the past 7 1/2 years.

Hillary won't and Trump won't. What exactly would you like done differently?

 

[vitterd]

You have to ignore vitter, he speaks of this list as if it's a legal document. He can't explain how someone gets on the list or how someone can get off the list, he chooses not to tell us how a law abiding citizen that's on the list can't be afforded due process. Hes never been to a gun range where 1 person can shoot 1000 rounds in a day, he can't understand the concept that a gun hobbiest, that shoots, will buy ammo in bulk, can vitter explain to use how he would track all those who reload their own ammo? Vitt how would you track people who reload their own ammo?

How about we go with your solution....do nothing and let them keep buying ammunition and dealing with this every month or so? You good with that? This is s US citizen who we know supports ISIS.....you good with him being able to buy guns and ammo at will?

i don't care about some gun range weekend warrior dude who needs to feel good by shooting a target.

i can explain it quite simple....if we question a guy 3 times and know he loves ISIS....he gets on a no buy list. How that?

 

[IAM4UK]

I guess this is where the conversation ends. I can't convince you that due process is vital in a free society and you certainly can't convince me it is not.

So if we are keeping records here, Vitter hates the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 14th amendment.

You sir are a true American

 

[vitterd]

I guess this is where the conversation ends. I can't convince you that due process is vital in a free society and you certainly can't convince me it is not.

Thats fine. Nobody will ever convince me that we can't stop a known ISIS sympathizer from buying unlimited ammo.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Thats fine. Nobody will ever convince me that we can't stop a known ISIS sympathizer from buying unlimited ammo.

I'm not saying we can't. I'd just prefer that the method include due process. Don't twist my words.

 

[vitterd]

So if we are keeping records here, Vitter hates the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 14th amendment.

You sir are a true American

Yeah, that makes sense. That's exactly what I said.

By that same logic, I can say you have no problem with mass shootings.....and if new regulations make YOU wait an extra day or inconvience you a little bit.....let anyone get whatever they need to keep killing people.

See what happens when you just make shit up?

 

[Acebb]

Nobody should own a killing machine that's only function is to kill as many people as quickly as possible.

Only function!

ARs also make excellent hunting rifles, and there are a growing number of hunters who rely on their ARs to put meat in the freezer.




As I've said before, you know nothing, not a single thing, about this topic yet you rush to comment. It is utterly bizarre.

 

[boss415]

In California you can only buy a ten shot clip for any weapon. And you cant just go buy an assault weapon or any other weapon beleive me. The guy also rented a van that he could have loaded full of gasoline and blown up the whole block. Every hear of a street sweeper, chopper etc.? That is what the bangers call an ak 47 which is russian. How did those get here? Guns are here to stay and they will be whether legal or not. Terrorists have caused great harm and taken many lives with simple box cutters remember?

 

[vitterd]

I'm not saying we can't. I'd just prefer that the method include due process. Don't twist my words.

Eh, I'm less concerned these days with that. What do you consider due process in a case like this? Questioned 3 times, we know he's ISIS....but can't stop him from this. It's crazy.

 

[Acebb]

How about we go with your solution....do nothing and let them keep buying ammunition and dealing with this every month or so? You good with that? This is s US citizen who we know supports ISIS.....you good with him being able to buy guns and ammo at will?

i don't care about some gun range weekend warrior dude who needs to feel good by shooting a target.

i can explain it quite simple....if we question a guy 3 times and know he loves ISIS....he gets on a no buy list. How that?

You don't seem to understand the facts here.

This Muslim was not a "known ISIS sympathizer"

He pledged his support of ISIS in a 911 call 10 minutes before the shooting.

You should probably stop now because you're past the epic beclowning level.