13,000 dead in Iraq war just from March 19 to April 30 -- 4300 were non-combatants

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
What organization did Timothy McVeigh belong to?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The U.S. Military.

It was one of those domestic survivalist groups that he was associated with along with that Terry something ( dont remember last name). Terry was from Arizona and he and McVeigh were involved in this group that thought they were going to be involved in a big battle with the govt over their rights. I dont remember the exact name of the Org because it didnt get heavy media coverage like Al Queda does.
 

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When your try to find a reason to be against something, like the lefties regarding this war, you spew out of your slanted little mouths the worse case scenerio and stretch that by a few hundred thousand. The fact is that it is sad that so many folks have not even a slight bit of compassion for the majority of the Iraqi people that they allowed Saddams' regime to murder and torture them so many people. Heck, I guess to these folks, gay rights is more valuable than human life.

Things are going good for the most part in Iraq as we have accomplished a major objective - to fight terrorism in the red zone. Half the American troops will be home by Labor day, 2004. The new government in Iraq will no longer be run by a tyrant. There will be less and less muslims hating capitalistic governments and less muslims hating Christians.

Just remember lefties, America did not have to lose 'one' of it's own soldiers to overthrow Saddam. A big bomb could have done it the first night.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jointpleasure:
The fact is that it is sad that so many folks have not even a slight bit of compassion for the majority of the Iraqi people<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Idon't give a fxck about how many Iraqs got killed <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

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DM, hey look the whole argument has to do with intent...The Iraqy civillians that were killed were NOT the intentions of the US Goverment nor would it be of mine...thats the difference between me and my country and the Al Q.So cut your holier than though, condescending liberal bullshit.
JP said it very nicley, we could have dropped a few big ones on them with out sacrificing as much as a American hang nail but we didn't....Can you say the same tihng about them????
I can also tell you, that polls were taken by NY Times and others asking questions on how many deaths would be tolerable for people if war came and you had choices that were in the high 10s of thousands, to give the impression that was to be the body count...I don't have to look it up for you I don't bullshit!
 

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Timothy McVeigh nice cristian protestant TERRORIST muslims are not my enemys because of the action of a few!
Plus the kkk are also a terrorist group that people don't talk about.
And what about this crazy right wing christians TERRORIST that kill abortion doctors?
My enemys are fanatical muslim terrorist and christian right wing terrorist ...they both need to be wiped out from this planet !
 

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Yes Patriot. Any leader of a nation that large could get enough Chemical Weapons to kill millions of people easily. The only thing is that they will face severe consequences.

You want to pat yourself on the back because we didnt drop ANOTHER nuclear bomb - oh how nice is that of the U.S. not to drop ANOTHER nuclear bomb on MILLIONS of INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

Did you ever think that maybe the U.S. doesnt drop ANOTHER nuclear bomb only because of the consequences IT will face ? You do realize that these bombs are far deadlier today than they were 60 years ago, correct ? You do realize that it is very likely a Nuclear bombed dropped in Iraq could kill YOU, just slower , correct ?
 

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Yankee,

Someone who kills an abortion doctor is a terrorist ? How about the doctor whi is killing a defenseless baby ? I do not shed a tear for any overpriveledged doctor who kills babies.
 

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Also Patriot,

We have soldiers stationed all throughout the Middle East - not just in Baghdad. We also have interests in countries like Turkey, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, etc. Do you believe we could drop a Nuclear Bomb on Iraq and contain the consequences within the borders of that nation alone ?

We dont drop a nuclear bomb because it would lead to catastrophic consequences for us. Our soldiers stationed in the middle east would die either immediatly or from the fallout. Certainly, we would have no remaining bridges left with any nation in that part of the world. The consequences of the fallout would even be felt right here in the U.S. To suggest that we didnt drop a nuclear bomb because we are somehow just too nice is ludicrous. We dont drop nuclear bombs because it would kill us as well. Remember there is still only one nation in the world who has ever intentionally dropped nuclear bombs on millions of INNOCENT civilians and we both know who that was.

P.S. Spare me the " they started it" rhetoric. Those civilians were innocent regardless of the actions of their government. Please save the Osama Bin Laden comeback.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DannyMay:
Yankee,

Someone who kills an abortion doctor is a terrorist ? How about the doctor whi is killing a defenseless baby ? I do not shed a tear for any overpriveledged doctor who kills babies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two wrongs don't make a right, but using this definition would make all 1st degree murderers the same as terrorists.

Takes a way from the real terrorist, no?
 

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DM...we would still be fighting the Japenese today if we didn't drop the bombs...Ask yourself this...Is the people of Japan better off today because we did drop those bombs???...I rest my case.
You know, the thing is ,is guys like you can rant and rave about American agrresion and all the people that were killed and all the rhetorical bullshit,the problem is,although true,it is that its so transparent and disingenuess because you know you can't really tell how many more lives were saved or are being saved because of US actions....All I know is that this country has not had a mjor terroist attack since 9/11....and I also know that since are actions in Iraq...the North Koreans have stopped their sabre rattling and agreed to multi lateral talks because they know that this president will not take any bullshit unlike the appeasers Clinton and Carter,and they no if they pull any shit we will turn them into a grease spot..
 

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The object of this war is to get muslims to kill muslims. We are training muslem militia to control the oil reserve and to heavily handed quell any discontent. Cruel gestapo like tactics.

This is the blueprint for all the middle east(palistine,syria,afghan,etc,). To not do so means we will have to occupy the area for as long as there are arabs.
 

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"You do realize that it is very likely a Nuclear bombed dropped in Iraq could kill YOU, just slower , correct ?"
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Yes we have lots of individual bombs in our arsenal that when dropped in Iraq will affect us in the U.S.
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YOU DO THE MATH

Investigators Say Iraqi Mass Graves Hold 300,000
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By Andrew Hammond

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi and U.S. rights investigators said on Saturday they suspected Iraq (news - web sites) had up to 260 mass graves containing the bodies of at least 300,000 people murdered by the former regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

They told a conference that the task of identifying bodies and preparing evidence for tribunals could take years and millions of dollars, but the long process would be worth it to heal the wounds of three decades of brutal Baath Party rule.

"We have reports of 260 mass graves and we have confirmed approximately 40 of them," said Sandra Hodgkinson, director of the Coalition Provisional Authority's (CPA) mass grave action plan'.

"We believe, based on what Iraqis have reported to us, that there are 300,000 dead and that's the lower end of the estimates.

"In Bosnia it's now eight or nine years since similar atrocities and only 8,000 bodies out of 30,000 have been uncovered. Here in Iraq it's 300,000," said Hodgkinson, a human rights lawyer brought in by the CPA after U.S.-led forces toppled Saddam in April. More sites could still be found.

The three-day conference aims to prepare Iraqi rights workers and officials of the Iraqi human rights ministry for the process of disinterring graves and convincing families that they should wait rather than rush to dig up bodies themselves.

Hodgkinson said only 11 of the 260 sites had been disturbed since the graves were first discovered in May, when distraught families frantically dug around for the remains of loved ones.

Iraqi officials, who will gradually take over control of the investigations, also called for patience.

"Iraq doesn't have the capability at present to do the work of investigation. The main task for the moment is how to protect the sites which have been opened," Human Rights Minister Abdel-Basset Turki told the meeting.

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The U.S. military has footed the bill for satellite imaging to identify sites, but Turki said more money would be needed.

Iraq's Governing Council asked an international donor conference in Madrid last month for $100 million to be spent on equipment and manpower over the next five years, but Turki said little has been forthcoming yet.

A team of forensic experts will arrive in Iraq in January to begin work on up to 20 sites around the country where evidence will be collected for future trials of regime figures. Work to identify bodies has begun at the other 200-odd sites.

Investigators have identified six major crime periods: 1983 attacks on Kurds, a 1988 campaign against Kurds, chemical weapons attacks on Kurds 1986-88, the 1991 crushing of a southern Shi'ite revolt, 1991 crushing of Kurdish insurrection, and crimes against all sectors of the population during the entire period of Baath rule.

Rafid al-Husseiny, a doctor who has led disinterring work at the Mahaweel site near Hilla south of Baghdad, is leading efforts to train Iraqis in the gravedigging process.

"Since May we have investigated a mass grave there of 3,115 people. We identified 2,115 bodies, which were reburied by their families," he said, stressing reconciliation among Iraqis.

"Iraqi citizens must look with both eyes, one looking to the future and one looking toward the past."

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Floyd, what these brain dead fux don't get is these deaths were INTENTIONAL...We are losing are own men today to protect innocents...If this were a Clinton war the libs would be playing the holier than thogh act.
The other thing these toucholes don't understand,is how many more innocent people are breathing today BECAUSE of US actions.
 

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If we didn't drop those two bombs on Japan we still would have won the war. Though invading them would have cost thousands of US lives and with the Soviets involved some areas that the Japanese still held and perhaps even parts of Japan might have ended up under Soviet dominion and would have ended up communist. Some also feel Japan would have fully surrendered anyway in due time without the atomic bombs. Either way, what was done was done.
 

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So out of all these deaths, how many were suiciders?
Probably ALL of them.It is what it is! I can't worry about who's getting killed there everyday.That is not putting money in my pocket!I have my own promblems.
 

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