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When it comes to prison population, most people look at the cause and very few look at the effect.

What causes people to be in prison is simple - they broke the law. Generally speaking simple possesion is overlooked by both the police and the courts - of course, the "in your face" attitude of some people just begs for arrest. People in jail and in prison are usually there for multiple offenses - they have no respect for authority and little use for the law - and many of them were trained into this condition by the very governement that's putting them behind bars.

Which lead us to effects. To do this we must ask questions that tend to be politically incorrect, so they are meekly asked and rarely answered.
What is the percentage of inmates from single parent homes?
What is the percentage of inmates that were deemed to have "special needs" in the school and social welfare system (in Massachusetts, these kids generally end up on CHINS (Child In Need of Services) which is a nice way of saying the kid has an attitude and will eventually end up in jail)?
What percentage of the inmates were in foster homes at one point or another?

Many children today are not given or held to any kind of expectations. The system supports them until they're 17 or 18 - and then they get the boot. Girls can get pregnant and the system will support them - they and their children will be diagnosed by some caring psychologist as having some mentall illness or syndrome and they all get SSI checks - mother AND children. The kids get several hundred dollars each quarter for clothes - rent subsidies, food stamps and free mediacal care are provided along with a host of other services - a social worker does all of the families thinking for them - the boys have no father to slap them down - they hang around the street corner and get all of their values about being a man from their peers - and then one day, the boys turn 18 - and BOOM - they're off of the system and too lazy or stupid to figure out how to get back on the system (that comes later on after one or two prison terms).

I'm sure you get the picture!

Until we start correcting the effects, the prison system will continue to increase and be a drain on our economy and society.

It's all about personal responsibility. Hold these kids responsible for their actions and most of them will come around. In Massachusetts, a kid who just sits in the classroom will eventually get out of school, with or without a diploma (that's in the coourts right now) - but if a kid acts up, he gets special treatment and goes to a special class for kids with special needs - and if he really acts up, he gets the top shelf treatment and gets bussed to a special scholl for kids with acting out problems - thay can do whatever they want at any step in any of these schools and they NEVER suffer a conseuence for their actions, other than to get sent to settings that are LESS restrictive.

By the way, my wife tried to do foster care for a while , so I've seen and worked with these kids and their mothers first hand - everything I say is from personal experience and knowledge. You'd never believe how these kids think - going to prison is a hallmark of manhood to them - a fricken badge of honor, I kid you not!
 

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How many people are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses? Over a million?
 

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Don't quote me...but I think something like half of all prisoners fit that description.

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How many people are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses? Over a million?
 

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nimue77 said:
Don't quote me...but I think something like half of all prisoners fit that description.

i vaguely remember hearing that there were like 200,000 inmates in the federal system for only drug offenses. you have to remember, it roughly
costs about $100/ day to maintain each inmate.
 

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Maybe its TV,violent video games,rap stars and lure of "easy money".

Europe got alot of gansta rap? Fitty cent video games? 'Role models' bragging about slanging rock....and the kicker, parents that just dont care?
 

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Maybe its TV,violent video games,rap stars and lure of "easy money".

Europe got alot of gansta rap? Fitty cent video games? 'Role models' bragging about slanging rock....and the kicker, parents that just dont care?

How many people joined the Mafia because they saw Godfather?

It's tough to blame gangsta rap, especially in a capitalist society, the record labels are making 100's of Millions of Dollars selling this stuff because it sells. People used to blame Kiss for the social ills of society, Music is just a scapegoat.

I don't buy the video game argument, Japan has a far out numbers USA consumption of violent Video games but I don't think you can compare the youth crime rates.

Bblight is on to something, parents are a childs role model or should be. The sad part is not enough fathers stick around to "Slap the kids down"
 

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I see the copycatting going on the streets of Boston all the time.Lets say its alot easier to get into a street gang than the mafia.I listen to rap and have for awhile but I take it for what its worth.Kids these days idolize these guys,emulate them as role models.You dont hear too many mainstream rappers anymore singing about tolerance and peacing things out.Its about the gat and the chrome.

Its a vicious cycle propagated by the rap stars.....one guy killed in retaliation for another who was killed in retaliation of another and so forth.Kids these days are brutal.

I also am an avid gamer and Im not really convinced the games have as much of an effect as the music.Video games in this country are huge but IMO only as violent as what you might see on TV.Parents job to censor what their kids are exposed to for sure.It adds to the problem even if its slight.
 

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I can't stand the gangsta rappers, they are the corporate whores of the industry. Not sure if you listen to Mos Def but this song sums it up

"The Rape Over"


(Boogie man business)

Listen
All white men is runnin this rap shit
Corporate force's runnin this rap shit
Setae israli is runnin this rap shit
We poke out the asses for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap shit
'Dro, 'yac and E-pills is runnin this rap shit

The rape over, turn your face over nigga
No god in disguise it's me, game over
Hey lil souljahs you're ready for war?
But don't ask what you're fighting for
They thought that you sur--vived the gunfight, the drama, the stress
You get in the line of fire we get the big ass cheques
You gettin your choice to pimp
Make your choice and fall in
This is austral B I, take that cock in your behind, Beatch
Hit the streets and perform for us
Hold hard and bring it on to us, fucker
I let you sip, comes an army, get a Mercedes
And kick back and let you pay me, my Mack is crazy
I leave the, knife and fist fight filled with glamour
Yeah, take a picture what this platinum-plated the sledgehammer
We over-do it add the fire and explosion to it
We're so confused with one rap music

Mtv, is runnin this rap shit
Viacom is runnin this rap shit
AOL and Time Warner runnin this rap shit
We poke out the asses for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap shit
Hennessey, is runnin this rap shit
Quasi-homosexuals is runnin this rap shit

Watch out we run the world

That's it
 

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Societys message to kids for the last 20 years is your a waco for going to church but cool if you go to jail.
 

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The problem with these kids is a steroid called testesterone. It's putting them through changes that makes them very aggressive and there's no father or authority that can force them to control it - the only control is the peer group - kids that are going through the same aggressive changes - no wonder you get a "Lord of the Flies" attitude from these kids - very aggressive, a need to prove themselves to the peer group, and very little control from authority figures. The death and incarceration rate must be phenominal with this group.

The worrisome thing is that it's the governments fault for creating policies that remove the father from the family - and the kid ends up paying the price living as an economic bottom feeder with skewed values.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Societys message to kids for the last 20 years is your a waco for going to church but cool if you go to jail.

your "society" in mass must be very different from our "society" in minnesota. in our community education, arts, spirituality are stressed as
much as athletics. in our town, churches outnumber bars by a very large margin.
 

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Its the complete dumbing down of america on all levels from all levels.Lower standards of expectation to meet on a kids education, social, and personal makeup.From corprate and hollywood heros.
There are no more John Waynes.Today its John and Wayne.No more Superman now its Superpimp.Its no more what you can do for your country. Its what can your country do for you.Its anything goes.Someonelse pays.
 

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your "society" in mass must be very different from our "society" in minnesota. in our community education, arts, spirituality are stressed as
much as athletics. in our town, churches outnumber bars by a very large margin.<!-- / message -->
This is the northeast my brotha from anotha motha.

Both Ma. and Minn. are very liberal states for different reason. Minn. to me seems like the old dem party which is why they have tacked to the right...well not really they have stayed the same its that the dem party has tacked so far left of sanity.
Ma. is a social engineering disaster....just like NH, Ma and NH are a lot different.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
This is the northeast my brotha from anotha motha.

Both Ma. and Minn. are very liberal states for different reason. Minn. to me seems like the old dem party which is why they have tacked to the right...well not really they have stayed the same its that the dem party has tacked so far left of sanity.
Ma. is a social engineering disaster....just like NH, Ma and NH are a lot different.

it was a poor comparison on my part, as i was comparing a more affluent
suburb to inner city.
 

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your "society" in mass must be very different from our "society" in minnesota. in our community education, arts, spirituality are stressed as
much as athletics. in our town, churches outnumber bars by a very large margin.

GB - depressed neighborhoods are found in most of the major cities in Massachusetts - from New Bedford to Worcester - this is where these kids live. When taxes are cut, the first thing the schools get rid of is sports - unless they have a pay as you go thing, and pay as you got won't work for children of single parents. Arts around here is an exhibit of dildos in Cambridge. Single parent households tend not to be very religious, especially in a state where religion is marginalized.

Massachusetts is a beacon of the "Great Society" - Single parenthood is praised while the criminal actions of teenage boys is hidden in a layer of bureaucracy. CHINS (Child In Need of Services) petitions are almost standard in households where a single mom has a teenage boy. The boy grows three feet over night, grows facial hair and starts hanging around the street corner with the rest of his social peers, while going home to eat sleep and change clothes. he wquits paying attention to his mother. His values are now peer group centered and he becomes fascistically macho. Sooner or later, social services get involved and now he'll go on some drug for tourettes or ADHD or some other made up malady - the system won't attempt to correct his values - he's just a piece of meat being processed until he becomes an adult and the prison system takes over.

Sounds like a clockwork orange, but it's the truth.
 

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The "burbs" in Minnesota are pretty (red ) these days......

we'll see how "red" they are in november.
next year, if you want to write to your congressman, you're going to address it dear patty.
 

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One of the problems I've seen in society is with the lack of male role models men are never taught to be a man. I know a lot of adult boys, not criminals but not mature men either. Years ago there was always a right of passage from youth to adult hood. A father would take his son to go and kill an animal or fishing or teach him how to fix a car. Something that would signify that transition for boyhood to manhood. On a personal level I had to find my male role models elsewhere as I raised myself from 14 onwards, father was around but not a positive role model.

The Masai Warriors have a tradition of when the boy is ready for manhood the tribal elders perform a public circumcision, the boy must not show emotion during the ceremony, to show they are ready to become a warrior. After the ceremony is done the new man is given livestock as gifts and will always be looked upon as a man by everyone in the group regardless of age.

I'm not say we need this extreme but a fathers influence is huge in a boys life, I also think society should take a greater role in raising the children of the community. Join big brothers, be a mentor for someone younger than you. BBlight I really respect the fact that you opened your home to provide a positive upbringing for some kids in need of help.
 

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gopherbob said:
we'll see how "red" they are in november.
next year, if you want to write to your congressman, you're going to address it dear patty.

Wetterling is a very,very weak canidate.....also not in my District.
 

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