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1 in 136 U.S. Residents Behind Bars
By ELIZABETH WHITE, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Prisons and jails added more than 1,000 inmates each week for a year, putting almost 2.2 million people, or one in every 136.

The total on June 30, 2005, was 56,428 more than at the same time in 2004, the government reported Sunday. That 2.6 percent increase from mid-2004 to mid-2005 translates into a weekly rise of 1,085 inmates.

Of particular note was the gain of 33,539 inmates in jails, the largest increase since 1997, researcher Allen J. Beck said. That was a 4.7 percent growth rate, compared with a 1.6 percent increase in people held in state and federal prisons.

Prisons accounted for about two-thirds of all inmates, or 1.4 million, while the other third, nearly 750,000, were in local jails, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Beck, the bureau's chief of corrections statistics, said the increase in the number of people in the 3,365 local jails is due partly to their changing role. Jails often hold inmates for state or federal systems, as well as people who have yet to begin serving a sentence.

"The jail population is increasingly unconvicted," Beck said. "Judges are perhaps more reluctant to release people pretrial."

The report by the Justice Department agency found that 62 percent of people in jails have not been convicted, meaning many of them are awaiting trial.


Overall, 738 people were locked up for every 100,000 residents, compared with a rate of 725 at mid-2004. The states with the highest rates were Louisiana and Georgia, with more than 1 percent of their populations in prison or jail. Rounding out the top five were Texas, Mississippi and Oklahoma.

The states with the lowest rates were Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Vermont and New Hampshire.

Men were 10 times to 11 times more likely than women to be in prison or jail, but the number of women behind bars was growing at a faster rate, said Paige M. Harrison, the report's other author.

The racial makeup of inmates changed little in recent years, Beck said. In the 25-29 age group, an estimated 11.9 percent of black men were in prison or jails, compared with 3.9 percent of Hispanic males and 1.7 percent of white males.

Marc Mauer, executive director of The Sentencing Project, which supports alternatives to prison, said the incarceration rates for blacks were troubling.

"It's not a sign of a healthy community when we've come to use incarceration at such rates," he said.

Mauer also criticized sentencing guidelines, which he said remove judges' discretion, and said arrests for drug and parole violations swell prisons.


"If we want to see the prison population reduced, we need a much more comprehensive approach to sentencing and drug policy," he said.

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I was curious how Canada might compare, and found this:

[/quote]"The U.S. now locks up its citizens at a rate 5-8 times that of the industrialized nations to which we are most similar, Canada and Western Europe," said Marc Mauer, Assistant Director of The Sentencing Project, a non-profit criminal justice research and advocacy group.

While Canada imprisons 116 people out of every 100,000 in the country, the U.S. locks up 702 people per 100,000.[/quote]

I'm sure a huge factor there is that we don't throw people in jail for small drug offences, like pot possession.
 

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The number of people in the slammer in the USA is pretty scary.
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
For starters...

1/3 of the prison population in the US are illegals.

You mean 2/3's of the prison population never did anything wrong? I didn't think you were of the Hurricane Carter group.
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
For starters...

1/3 of the prison population in the US are illegals.

I guess you are right

"The jail population is increasingly unconvicted," Beck said. "Judges are perhaps more reluctant to release people pretrial."

The report by the Justice Department agency found that 62 percent of people in jails have not been convicted, meaning many of them are awaiting trial.
 

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kingbill said:
I guess you are right
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  1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons awaiting trial under local jurisdiction.
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  1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons convicted of crimes.
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For starters...

1/3 of the prison population in the US are illegals.
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
jail ([FONT=verdana,sans-serif] P [/FONT]) Pronunciation Key (j
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n.
  1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons awaiting trial under local jurisdiction.
  2. Detention in a jail.
pris·on ([FONT=verdana,sans-serif] P [/FONT]) Pronunciation Key (pr
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  1. A place for the confinement of persons in lawful detention, especially persons convicted of crimes.
  2. A place or condition of confinement or forcible restraint.
  3. A state of imprisonment or captivity.

So 2/3's of people in Prisons haven't been convicted of Crimes, maybe I just need you to explain what makes a person illegal?
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
Illegals = illegal aliens.

Can you make up some stats to prove that 2/3s of the prison pop are from a different country who have entered illegally or at least provide a link to a site that can or is this just rhetoric?
 

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1/3 of convicted criminals serving time in US prisons are illegal aliens.

Look it up.
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
1/3 of convicted criminals serving time in US prisons are illegal aliens.

Look it up.

I've tried, that is why I was hoping you could find a source because I can't find that stat anywhere, unless you are just making up stats again?
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
For starters...

1/3 of the prison population in the US are illegals.

I have a difficult time believing this post. Maybe in certain states with high % of illegals (Ariz, NMex, Tex), but USA overall 1/3 seems a bit exaggerated.

However, 1 in 136 being in prison isnt at all difficult to believe.

In fact, daily seeing the animals walking the streets and calling themselves humans the ratio of 1 in 136 should probably be a bit higher before American cities are again safe places.

IMHO, the main problems are these:

- Too many people are in prison for petty drug crimes. Not saying drugs should be legalized, but its pointless to jail people for petty amounts of drug possession and/or use.

- Too many serious offenders (rapists, murderers, child molestors) should be executed rather than housed as long term prisoners. Also, too many other criminals are repeat offenders.

I know I am a bit harsh with crime, but Id rather the legal system be swift, harsh, and if necessary, fatal.

However, the death penalty only should be used when courts have a solid conviction and certain types of criminals.

:hanging:
 

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kingbill said:
I've tried, that is why I was hoping you could find a source because I can't find that stat anywhere, unless you are just making up stats again?

according to house report 109-345 part one, the percent of illegal aliens
in united states prisons is slightly under 25 %. it's in the library of congress.
now joe might very well have more accurate information than the house of representatives, after all, their information said there were wmds in iraq.
 

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"The US Justice Department reported that in 2003, alone, 270,000 illegal immigrants had served prison time. The Federation for American Immigration Reform reports: “In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones; including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings. In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges.”

The Federal Bureau of Prisons estimates that fully one-third of current prison populations are comprised of non-citizen illegals.

The violent MS-13 Salvadoran gangs have illegally immigrated across the US-Mexico border. MS-13 has also vowed to kill local police, Border Patrol agents and US citizen-members of the Minutemen project, within the US."


http://magic-city-news.com/article_5816.shtml
www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml?s=ic
www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=oid:60078
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7244879/site/newsweek/
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-05-gang-grows_x.htm
www.washtimes.com/national/20050328-125306-7868r.htm

I guess when the most prosperous country on the planet is located next to a third world shit hole, with virtually no border security, the incarceration stats are most likely going to be off the charts. I bet those numbers don't even tell half the story. But, umm, ya know, that's just my analysis.
 

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Well, if its slightly under 25%, thats still a very high # and this government should be ashamed of itself for allowing so many people to illegally be in this country.

Also, I believe "prison" and "jail" are different categories.

If nationally its 25% of prison time, the "local jail" % has to be very high in certain states.
 

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Its the residue of the liberals "great society". The promotion of bastard factories in the inner cities,and the moral breakdown of society in general.

People are pigs and a permissive society is as much to blame as anything.Anything goes society with no moral compass.
Men eating each others asses is the latest greatest prime time TV show.

Its a Lord of the flies society on steroids.



And actually the crime rate has gone down over the last 6 years.
 

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Call me a cynic, but I believe more than 1 in every 136 has committed a crime worthy of at least jail. So, the rate of incarceration seems a bit low to me.

On a side note. My county had the great foresight to build a new jail a few years back. It costed the tax payers about $50 million. That jail has yet to see its first customer as the county decided it does not have the funds to run the jail.
Every other day the jails around here have to let criminals out due to overcrowding. The word is out and this area has become a bad guys paradise. Property crime is out of control and the citizens are suffering.
Meanwhile our fine city had no trouble granting millions of dollars to the condo developers. The city also managed to fund a $50 million Disney-ride tram that nobody wanted.
Okay, I am rambling now. Sorry.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Its the residue of the liberals "great society". The promotion of bastard factories in the inner cities,and the moral breakdown of society in general.

People are pigs and a permissive society is as much to blame as anything.Anything goes society with no moral compass.
Men eating each others asses is the latest greatest prime time TV show.

Its a Lord of the flies society on steroids.



And actually the crime rate has gone down over the last 6 years.

Most of Europe is way more liberal than the US has ever been, and crime is much less of a problem here. In other words, your analysis is wrong.
 

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Drug charges of one kind or another make up a huge percentage of the prison population.
 

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edub69 said:
Most of Europe is way more liberal than the US has ever been, and crime is much less of a problem here. In other words, your analysis is wrong.

The welfare system here tends to meet the basic needs of the less fortunate quite well, this helps to reduce petty/low level crime.

Things are less segregated here too, we're all squished together into a more mixed society because we live on a big thumb.
No-one worries about camera surveillance either, unless they're a criminal.

Wealth distribution is better too.
The more egalitarian a society, the less violent it tends to be.

Like in the US.
People with a bit of wealth tend to gravitate into comparable income areas, subconciously they are gravitating towards a micro-group of an egalitarian society.
Then they go and vote Republican...
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