you take away three strikes rule, black prison rate would be cut in half

[asufan550]

Habitual criminals lend nothing to society. Absolutely nothing. Why can't you people see this? It's not a race or economic issue either, it's merely a case of reaping what they sew.
What if it was your shop that was robbed, your kid some jigaboo drug dealer got hooked on the crack, etc? What then?
We aren't talking about one or two offenses. Three fucking times is three times too many. Fact is, none if these crimes are "victimless." Thank you for reminding me, again, why I can't stand liberals and why I'm a Republican.

 

[asufan550]

Kevin Weber's previous "strikes" were for burglary and assault with a deadly weapon (that one's violent), so let's not make it seem like he stole some cookies and got thrown in the slammer, dumbfuck.

 

[gtc08]

no shit sherlock. the point is with this dumb 3 strikes rule he got thrown away for stealing cookies. your country.

 

[texansfan]

no shit sherlock. the point is with this dumb 3 strikes rule he got thrown away for stealing cookies. your country.

At least get the story right. He had cookies in his pocket after he was caught burglarizing the store.


News Briefs

October 27, 1995
Web posted at: 10:25 p.m. EDT
Cookie Burglar gets at least 25 years

SANTA ANA, California (CNN) - A parolee could spend the rest of his life in prison for breaking into a restaurant and stealing chocolate chip cookies.
Kevin Weber was sentenced to 25 years to life Friday under California's tough "three strikes, you're out" law.
Orange County Superior Court Judge Jean Rheinheimer said she had no choice because of Weber's two previous felony convictions stemming from a 1988 burglary.
Prosecutors said the six-time parole violator broke into the restaurant to rob the safe after a busy Mother's Day holiday, but he triggered the alarm system before he could do it. When arrested, his pockets were full of cookies he had taken from the restaurant. Family members called the sentence ridiculous and unfair.
The three strikes law was designed to deter repeat offenders by mandating long prison sentences for a third felony conviction.


Talk about taking something out of context and twisting it around to make a point.

 

[asufan550]

Are you saying he shouldn't be in jail? I don't see your point. He wasn't put away for stealing cookies, he was put away for the accumulation of offenses leading up to the cookies. There's a distinction there that you're missing.

 

[JoeContrarian]

I’m not opposed to the 3 strikes law which may come as a surprise being the Flaming Liberal that I am. I think more money should be put towards rehabbing people who go to Prison.

"Rehab"...what's that? :lolBIG:

Whatever happened to a punishment that fits the crime? Why do you liberals always zero-in on 'compassion' for the lowest scum, rather than what's good for SOCIETY?

Why should ANYONE else have to pay for someone else's sins?

I’m not a prison guard so I can only speak from what I’ve seen on MSNBC’s Lock Up or chatting with “associates” who’ve been to prison but from what I can tell far too many people who go in to prison come out much worse for society than when they went in. More anger, harder, less fear. Too few come out prepped for life after their sentence.

Of course they do because the incarcerated are coddled and have "human rights" because bleeding heart libs have insisted they should have the same 'rights' as the victims who's 'rights' were robbed from them forever. And you're surprised why criminals develop a "fuck you/fuck society" attitude?

What about the victim's "rights"? What about society's rights? What about the rights of the sucker (you and I) who has to pay to feed and house these bags of filth?

Has anyone considered THEIR rights?

I'll tell you exactly what should happen to convicted criminals -- and I'll go one step further than JDeuce....

Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers etc. -- ALL convicted criminals should be sent to sentenced to slave labor which means you and I no longer have to be taxed for someone else's crime.

You usurp someone else's rights, you should LOSE your rights -- common sense.

I'm not talking about inhumane abusive treatment -- prisoners would be properly fed, housed, guarded etc...but at least the program would pay for itself, because of the cheap goods and services they would provide.

Corporate America would love it and potential criminals would think twice, knowing all they would have to look forward to is a lifetime of tough, round-the-clock exhausting.

 

[texansfan]

gtc is trying to make it sound like he walked into a convenience store and walked out with 4 cookies.

Reality is that he broke into a closed business, tried to open the safe which triggered the alarm, and when he was caught by polie he had the cookies in his pocket.

Burglary is a felony. Stealing four cookies from an open business is not.

 

[nhoj]

Alot of these scum bags you would like to protect have killed and sold drug to people that killed while on the drugs or for the drugs. If you make it death for saling drugs you would have alot less drug dealers. Please argue that point they either stop dealing or be put to death end of problem. Of course you won't understand this being a drug user.

 

[DesertDevil]

so what, people steal cars to pay for gambling addictions and other various addictions they have. there's no way you can logically tell me that you deserve to be put in jail 25 years for 3 drug offenses. the only person you hurt is yourself.

stupid rule causing us to fill our prisons up at an alarming rate. you know the system is messed up when i can kill somebody and get less time then selling drugs to somebody.

Whats stupid is a person that continues to sell drugs after they have been convicted twice. Knowing that if they get caught again they will be put away for 25 years.

They should be locked away just for their pure stupidity.

 

[whalewager]

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[JoeContrarian]

Alot of these scum bags you would like to protect have killed and sold drug to people that killed while on the drugs or for the drugs. If you make it death for saling drugs you would have alot less drug dealers. Please argue that point they either stop dealing or be put to death end of problem. Of course you won't understand this being a drug user.

Sentence them to a lifetime of tough, round-the-clock exhausting slave labor.

As horrible as drug dealers are, I still don't think it's right that you and I have to pay for someone else's sins.

 

[nhoj]

Forgeting that the business owner had to replace a glass window or door or repair what was broke in the act of taking the 4 cookies. Also the insurance will go up for the store owner. See people don't look at the big picture and are raised that it was only 4 cookies. These people need to be weeded out and killed. ope:



quote=texansfan;5553731]gtc is trying to make it sound like he walked into a convenience store and walked out with 4 cookies.

Reality is that he broke into a closed business, tried to open the safe which triggered the alarm, and when he was caught by polie he had the cookies in his pocket.

Burglary is a felony. Stealing four cookies from an open business is not.[/quote]

 

[DennizdaMenace]

Maaan shit..I took dat cracker`s car radio and got me 3 rocks..yeeeaa man

 

[koidog]

Should drugs be made legal is a legit debate.

But Drug Dealers going to prison doesn't seem like much of a debate to me.

 

[mamatried]

They should be locked away just for their pure stupidity.

Sir, are you suggesting that stupidity be a capital offense? There'd be a whole lot more people in jail than there would be walking around on the streets.

And, unless they allow web access in prisons, this forum would cease to exist.

 

[gtc08]

if they do 25 years for abusers, then murderers should get 50. its laughable that the average murder sentence is 12-15 years.

you can go to jail for almost anything these days.


seems like majority of you agree that drug offense is worse then murder though, so not surprised with the responses i've seen.

 

[ScottL]

Mama I know you're not going to speculate on who in this room would then be posting from prison?

 

[JoeContrarian]

if they do 25 years for abusers, then murderers should get 50. its laughable that the average murder sentence is 12-15 years

I agree, gtc.

Which is why we need more grounded conservative judges and higher min sentences and less loony liberal judges who fancy themselves enlightened kings and make up the rules as they go along.

you can go to jail for almost anything these days.

Well, if you usurp someone else's rights, jail time is well deserved.

 

[kingbill]

"Rehab"...what's that? :lolBIG:

Why should ANYONE else have to pay for someone else's sins?

What does it cost the tax payer to house a criminal for 25 years?
Wouldn't it be better to get the person out of the cycle of committing crimes and and working...paying taxes...You've got a war to fund...

 

[Devilsadvocate+]

Interesting read in wikipedia concerning the crack epidemic that helped inspire three-strike laws. Let's ask the community leaders of cities like Detroit, Philly, DC, NYC, LA, or Chicago if they would like to release thousands of "non-violent" drug dealers onto their streets. We could maybe bust out the classic argument of: " alcohol kills more people so we should legalize crack and heroin". Brilliant simply brilliant.


Crime

Rather than the drug use itself, the greatest social costs of crack were associated with prohibition-related violence. Research by two prominent economists from the University of Chicago, Steven Levitt (co-author of Freakonomics and winner of the 2003 John Bates Clark Medal) and Kevin Murphy (winner of the 1997 John Bates Clark Medal) suggest that crack was the most prominent factor contributing to the rise and fall of social ills in the African American and Latino communities between 1980 and 2000.
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