Deuce, I don't got a problem with you. my point is if you get rid of a ton of these minor crimes that turn into 3 strike 25 year penalties, you'd cut down on incarceration rate.
Isn't the cure worse than the disease at that point? The goal should be to have a safe and law-abiding society...not the lowest incarceration rate possible.
In other words, I'm more interested in figuring out a way to have prisoners not commit their crimes in the first place instead of trying to get them out of jail as quickly as possible.
I do agree some of the laws are fucked up, but without looking up the stats, I'd be willing to bet most murderers serve a longer sentance on average than most drug dealers (although I think both are scumbags).
Isn't the cure worse than the disease at that point? The goal should be to have a safe and law-abiding society...not the lowest incarceration rate possible.
In other words, I'm more interested in figuring out a way to have prisoners not commit their crimes in the first place instead of trying to get them out of jail as quickly as possible.
I do agree some of the laws are fucked up, but without looking up the stats, I'd be willing to bet most murderers serve a longer sentance on average than most drug dealers (although I think both are scumbags).
Well, it does stop that particular drug dealer from dealing while he sits in prison.
Here's a concept. Stop watching MTV and BET and idolizing rappers and athletes who make millions. Get married, stay married and raise your kids to be productive citizens in life. This woe is me crap about being poor and helpless just gets recycled every generation.
I’m not opposed to the 3 strikes law which may come as a surprise being the Flaming Liberal that I am. I think more money should be put towards rehabbing people who go to Prison. I’m not a prison guard so I can only speak from what I’ve seen on MSNBC’s Lock Up or chatting with “associates” who’ve been to prison but from what I can tell far too many people who go in to prison come out much worse for society than when they went in. More anger, harder, less fear. Too few come out prepped for life after their sentence.
Does anyone here work in the prison system? Someone who could shed light on the situation.
Does anyone here work in the prison system? Someone who could shed light on the situation.
that is a good show kingbill, lockup.
i just think the drug laws are way too strict in this country. it's not like were going to get rid of them, they'll always be in high demand. you legalize it, you get rid of all the bad things associated with it. sure you'll have people abuse it, but you have people abuse alcohol and that's apparently fine to some of you, drugs should be the same way since they have similar affects.
fact: the average murder sentence is 15 years.
fact: 25 years if you get three drug offenses.
the penal system basically says murder somebody instead of getting caught dealing, you'll stay on average 10 years shorter. now the only person im affecting is myself, not the kid who wants coke from me, he came on his own, and the US justice system says doing that is worse then killing someone.
cant make this up.
i just think the drug laws are way too strict in this country. it's not like were going to get rid of them, they'll always be in high demand. you legalize it, you get rid of all the bad things associated with it. sure you'll have people abuse it, but you have people abuse alcohol and that's apparently fine to some of you, drugs should be the same way since they have similar affects.
fact: the average murder sentence is 15 years.
fact: 25 years if you get three drug offenses.
the penal system basically says murder somebody instead of getting caught dealing, you'll stay on average 10 years shorter. now the only person im affecting is myself, not the kid who wants coke from me, he came on his own, and the US justice system says doing that is worse then killing someone.
cant make this up.
Agreed.
Also, I'd like to note that gtc was wrong that black prision rates would be reduced (relative to other races). Blacks are incarcerated in greater proportions relative to their population size in states that don't have mandatory 3-strike sentencing. This means that there are more blacks in a Minnesota (non-3 strike) prision than there are in a 3-strike California prioson.
Some unusual scenarios have arisen, particularly in California — the state punishes shoplifting and similar crimes as felony petty theft if the person who committed the crime has a prior conviction for any form of theft, including robbery or burglary. As a result, some defendants have been given sentences of 25 years to life in prison for such crimes as shoplifting golf clubs
In one particularly notorious case, Kevin Weber was sentenced to 26 years to life for the crime of stealing four chocolate chip cookies
you can't be serious.
In one particularly notorious case, Kevin Weber was sentenced to 26 years to life for the crime of stealing four chocolate chip cookies
you can't be serious.
As wrong as gtc is on everything else, he is absolutely right on this. Incarcerating people for non-violent, victimless offenses is unconscionable. (And YES, using or even selling drugs to a consenting adult is a victimless offense.)
Lifetime prison sentences for three non violent crimes is unconscionable.
And using public monies and law enforcement and prison resources to arrest and incarcerate drug offenders, especially in these times of ballooning deficits and Government cutbacks that erode the very fabric of society, is UNCONSCIONABLE.
Lifetime prison sentences for three non violent crimes is unconscionable.
And using public monies and law enforcement and prison resources to arrest and incarcerate drug offenders, especially in these times of ballooning deficits and Government cutbacks that erode the very fabric of society, is UNCONSCIONABLE.
Defendants already convicted of two or more "strike" charges arising from one single case potentially years in the past, even if the defendant was a juvenile at the time, can be and have been charged and convicted with a third strike for any felony or any offense that could be charged as a felony (including "felony petty theft" or possession of a controlled substance prior to Proposition 36 (see below)) and given 25 years to life.
