Would you buy an autonomous car?

[PatsFan1283]

While we're on the subject of Musk. What he did with SpaceX is even more impressive. Boeing and Lockheed had no bid contracts on supplying rockets to the Air Force. He could build the rockets significantly cheaper and sued the gov't to allow them to compete.

Now SpaceX is building rockets in SoCal at 60% of the previous cost and saving taxpayers money.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Also libertarian is how I'd describe myself on economic issues and what our approach to competition and capitalism should be. That should be pretty clear based on my posts.

However, I don't need people thinking I'm some looney Anarcho-capitalist so I try not to use the L word much.

 

[RenoChazz]

Also libertarian is how I'd describe myself on economic issues and what our approach to competition and capitalism should be. That should be pretty clear based on my posts.

However, I don't need people thinking I'm some looney Anarcho-capitalist so I try not to use the L word much.

Anarcho-captitalist aren't Libertarians. They are on the far far right of Libertarians. It sucks that that you the "L" word like that. When think of libertarian economics, I think of Hayek, Von Mises, Friedman, ect. not the anarchist hanging out at burning man.

 

[MattyMatt]

Not interested in the least bit in auto cars.

Does tesla plan to open a market in a cheaper range? I mean 90% of
folks I know could never afford one...

 

[PatsFan1283]

@RC

It was more of a joke (like haha those crazy libertarian Ron Paul kooks!) It does get annoying when you talk to people about gov't solutions and people just comeback with "The government can't oversee any of this man!" As if that isn't what they've been doing for 100 years. This relates pretty well to this thread, the grid will need a lot of modernization infrastructure going forward if autonomous cars and EVs are to scale to their full potential. This isn't going to be done by private industry, it is going to take government spending or atleast a collaboration. You're not going to just be able to put a robot car on the road without significant gov't cooperation.

Do you follow Peter Thiel? He is probably the most outspoken libertarian business mogul today. Smart guy even if he is very aloof.

I linked a very good video in the poli with him talking about if we're decelerating or accelerating but I wouldn't want to clog this thread up.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Not interested in the least bit in auto cars.

Does tesla plan to open a market in a cheaper range? I mean 90% of
folks I know could never afford one...

Of course they do but they are following the tech model. The first cell phone that Michael Douglas had in "Wall St" cost like 4k. The Model 3 is slated to comeout in 2017 at about 45k. Not saying that is cheap but a new Camry these days cost what, 28? Then you factor in the maintenance and fuel advantages and the fact the Model 3 is a way better car and it starts to tell you that perhaps we're close. Nissan and Chevy also are making inroads.

How fast they can get cars at price parity with IC engines is tough to say. Depends how fast battery tech can improve, lithium costs have been coming down but we'll likely need a big breakthrough. Luckily a lot of research labs are focusing on this issue as we speak.

This isn't like replacing a blackberry with an iphone, an IC engine is a very good product that is tough to replace. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon but the more EVs the cheaper gas will be.

 

[MattyMatt]

Of course they do but they are following the tech model. The first cell phone that Michael Douglas had in "Wall St" cost like 4k. The Model 3 is slated to comeout in 2017 at about 45k. Not saying that is cheap but a new Camry these days cost what, 28? Then you factor in the maintenance and fuel advantages and the fact the Model 3 is a way better car and it starts to tell you that perhaps we're close. Nissan and Chevy also are making inroads.

How fast they can get cars at price parity with IC engines is tough to say. Depends how fast battery tech can improve, lithium costs have been coming down but we'll likely need a big breakthrough. Luckily a lot of research labs are focusing on this issue as we speak.

This isn't like replacing a blackberry with an iphone, an IC engine is a very good product that is tough to replace. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon but the more EVs the cheaper gas will be.

Cheaper works for me. Not interested in EVs or auto driving cars, and never will be. Tesla will lead the way though in that dept, and they should...

 

[RenoChazz]

@RC

It was more of a joke (like haha those crazy libertarian Ron Paul kooks!) It does get annoying when you talk to people about gov't solutions and people just comeback with "The government can't oversee any of this man!" As if that isn't what they've been doing for 100 years. This relates pretty well to this thread, the grid will need a lot of modernization infrastructure going forward if autonomous cars and EVs are to scale to their full potential. This isn't going to be done by private industry, it is going to take government spending or atleast a collaboration. You're not going to just be able to put a robot car on the road without significant gov't cooperation.

Do you follow Peter Thiel? He is probably the most outspoken libertarian business mogul today. Smart guy even if he is very aloof.

I linked a very good video in the poli with him talking about if we're decelerating or accelerating but I wouldn't want to clog this thread up.

****** founder, yeah I like Peter Thiel a lot. I also like the founder of Whole Foods. When it comes libertarianism i'm more in line with Penn Jillette, and Gary Johnson, than say Ron Paul.

 

[PatsFan1283]

What if the EV is a better product than an IC?

Let's say they're at parity in price, that means less maintenance and less fuel costs.

I really haven't heard many people talk about this yet but it is much easier to replace a car batterypack than it is to replace an engine. Someone could keep the same car body and just get a new battery for 4-7k every 8 years or whatever.

Now back to autonomous. I think people underestimate how great auto driving cars can be when scaled. You and your bros take a road trip and can play cards and watch football the whole time while feeling like your in an airplane and sitting 1st class. That is a little down the road but not THAT far off.


I know this stuff sounds far fetched as far as near-term goes, but would you really bet against the most innovative company in the world and then another company that is headed by a man that we may be looking back in 30 years and saying he was the Edison of our time.

 

[RenoChazz]

Hey Pat, have you seen the new roads that charge the cars as they drive?
http://www.sciencealert.com/the-uk-...e-that-charges-your-electric-car-as-you-drive

I'm completely with you on autonomous cars. They are the future, and will be in our life time.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Hey Pat, have you seen the new roads that charge the cars as they drive?

Yeah in the UK. I've seen it.

Would be tough to scale that but you could maybe use it for gas guzzling goods transporting vehicles and designate them lanes in and around major cities. Would take awhile to retrofit all the trucks though.

That would be the best use I would think.

If you want to watch a good Peter Thiel debate then google the one with him and Marc Andreesen (netscape founder), it is pretty good. I always thought I lived in a time of accelerating innovation then I saw that and was like fuck he's saying the hippies won after woodstock and he might be right.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Would you still need a drivers license ?

Im just wondering if they will allow 10 year olds to ride these things without an adult in the vehicle .

Has any of that been brought up yet?

 

[RenoChazz]

Would you still need a drivers license ?

Im just wondering if they will allow 10 year olds to ride these things without an adult in the vehicle .

Has any of that been brought up yet?

I think those laws already exist. I can't drop my elementary school kids off at school earlier than 830am because of supervision laws.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Would you still need a drivers license ?

Im just wondering if they will allow 10 year olds to ride these things without an adult in the vehicle .

Has any of that been brought up yet?

Adult wouldn't need a license but I doubt kids would be able to ride alone (service would be app pay based I'm sure)

 

[CHOPTALK]

I know it's coming soon for public transportation and things like that but how long do you think it will be before someone like me in a state like Louisiana can own one and ride from point A to point B .

 

[RenoChazz]

I know it's coming soon for public transportation and things like that but how long do you think it will be before someone like me in a state like Louisiana can own one and ride from point A to point B .

I think theres a chance it might not come to that, and Tesla hinting at their own Uber operation is very telling that maybe in the future, regular folks wont need to own a car. We'll just hit a Tesla app on our phone and an autonomous car will come to take us where we need to go cheaper than it will be to own a car.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I think theres a chance it might not come to that, and Tesla hinting at their own Uber operation is very telling that maybe in the future, regular folks wont need to own a car. We'll just hit a Tesla app on our phone and an autonomous car will come to take us where we need to go cheaper than it will be to own a car.

Yeah that is the auto car utopia that people talk about. I think it can be a reality in major cities, retirement communities, college areas but I don't think we're just going to replace the entire fleet for a long, long time. People like driving, the feedom, the convenience, the open road. Now if the economics make buying a car a very poor purchase then it could go back to being a luxury item like when it was 1st invented. I think we're a long, long way from that though. 20+ years. Also, when scaled to that extreme it is kinda Orwellian so some of your big Gov't Paulbot skeptics may rebel.

@Chop....My guess is what you are looking for will come in the form of something that isn't a true auto car but rather can drive itself 99% of the time (this is already pretty far along tech wise, we'll see these by 2021-20223ish barring regulation BS IMO) So then you'll be driving and some censor/map/weather app will pull the car over and say you need to navigate the car going forward.

I probably didn't just describe that situation perfectly but it will be something along those lines. 99% automation will get here before full automation.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I understand what you are saying .

So pretty much it will be auto driving under easy and normal conditions like interstate hwys and such but bad weather and tough conditions it will pull over and make you drive .

Most of what I would want it for is interstate so I'm still good with that.

I would imagine on trips of 45 mins or less I would still probably rather drive anyway .

Its those long trips where this would be nice

 

[PatsFan1283]

I understand what you are saying .

So pretty much it will be auto driving under easy and normal conditions like interstate hwys and such but bad weather and tough conditions it will pull over and make you drive .

Most of what I would want it for is interstate so I'm still good with that.

I would imagine on trips of 45 mins or less I would still probably rather drive anyway .

Its those long trips where this would be nice

Are most of these long trips highway? I would assume they are.

For self driving option on highway that might be like 3 years away. Audi said 2020 but I'd think Apple/Tesla/Toyota will push the envelope.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Are most of these long trips highway? I would assume they are.

For self driving option on highway that might be like 3 years away. Audi said 2020 but I'd think Apple/Tesla/Toyota will push the envelope.

Yea like you say.

I don't hate driving .

Its just those 6 or 8 hr drives in the middle of the night where this would come in handy.

For things like driving to the grocery store 5 mins from my house I don't see the need.

Yes most of the long trips I'm talking about is interstate hwys.

And I don't mind it pulling over right before the exits for whatever town I'm going to .

If it would just self drive on the interstate that would be good enough for me.

There are trips I take that are pretty much a straight line for 6 to 8 hrs.