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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With turbulence in Iraq pushing down President Bush's approval ratings to their lowest level ever, worried Republicans are taking consolation that the presidential election is 5 1/2 months away.

Given the Iraqi prison abuse scandal, the killing of a top Iraqi political leader and rising American casualties in Iraq, no one at the White House or at Bush re-election campaign team is surprised that Bush's job approval rating has dropped into the mid-40s, the lowest since he took office in January 2001.

"I'm glad the election is not being held today. But you know what? It's not being held today," said Republican pollster Whit Ayres. "The fact that things don't look particularly bright today tells you virtually nothing about how things will be on Nov. 2."

Republicans said the key to Bush's rebounding is to bring a sense of stability in Iraq. The Bush administration is hoping that process will be aided by the scheduled June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government.

"They need to have a successful handoff of the government and show the American people that there's an end game," said Republican strategist Scott Reed.

William Kristol, editor of the conservative "Weekly Standard" magazine, told Fox News Sunday it appears people have doubts about Bush they did not have a few months ago because "they're not confident we have a credible strategy for winning in Iraq."

"If they believe we can win in Iraq, I think they'll re-elect Bush. If they think we just have to get out of there, well, why not make the change to (Democrat John) Kerry? 'Bush is the guy who got us in the mess,"' he said.

A Newsweek poll of registered voters said Kerry was favored by 43 percent, while Bush took 42 percent and independent candidate Ralph Nader polled at 5 percent. A CNN/Time poll of likely voters showed Kerry with 49 percent, Bush with 44 percent and Nader with 6 percent.

The polls could signal trouble for Bush, because recent history shows incumbents running for re-election with numbers in the mid-40s at this point have been defeated.

POLLS DOWN WHILE ECONOMY IS UP

Ironically it comes at a time when the U.S. economy, which has been a weak spot for Bush, is strengthening and adding hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

Bush advisers point out they always thought the election would be close.
"Here's how I see it: It doesn't matter what the number is in May," said a senior adviser for the Bush-Cheney campaign, Matthew Dowd. "The number that really matters is what your approval rating is in October."

The drop in support for Bush followed two weeks of bad news out of Iraq led by images of Iraqi prisoner abuse. Bush has vowed punishment for those responsible and apologized to the Iraqi people.

White House officials from Bush on down resist the temptation to get out of Iraq sooner rather than later. Bush has vowed not to "cut and run" and leave in the lurch Iraqis seeking a better future.

Republican consultant Charles Black said Bush's drop in the polls could be temporary if he handles the response to the abuse scandal properly.

"At some point, not right away necessarily, he needs to be able to make a report as to who did what and how far up the chain of command it went and say we've completed the investigation," Black said.

A frequent Republican theme was that Kerry has not been able to cash in on Bush's drop in support. Kerry's camp dismissed that.

"The Bush team should spend less time spinning the polls, and more time trying to fix the problems they've failed to address. Under this president, health care costs have jumped 50 percent, gas prices have hit $2 per gallon and more American jobs are being shipped overseas than ever," said a Kerry campaign spokesman, Chad Clanton.

Dowd said the country remained so divided that each side will likely enter the final phase of the campaign with 45 or 46 percent support.

"We're not in that place where the voters have decided to keep or leave the incumbent," he said.

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All the Republicans will have to do is play hardball and Kerry has no chance. He will be easily exposed for the 2-faced idiot that he is, and Bush will have no problem taking this one. Unless the Democrats go with someone else, which doesn't seem likely at this point.
 

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I really don't know whether Bush will win because I now seriously believe that the odds are in Kerry's favor. Especially after the prisoner abuse scandal and the unfortunete beheading of Berg. Unless a miracle occurs and the US captures OBL, time and history will tell.
 

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I think the Berg beheading shows exactly what we're up against. I don't know how that would hurt Bush. I think it also shows that the torture our soldiers did was very tame in comparison. And I don't think that Bush is to blame for the prisoner abuse.
 

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The numbers speak volumes. If I am Kerry I just sit back and say nice broad things, nothing specific, and I let the election fall into my hands. When approval ratings are well under 50% the best strategy is not to attack and not take big positions. Just let the other guy lose it.

Besides this whole focus on what Kerry's policies are just are ridiculous. Fact is the guy is a Democrat almost certain to face two chambers that will be Republican and if they lose the Presidency will probably be militantly against anything he proposes. No matter what he wants to do or says he will do, he won't get much done. The whole line of Bush ads saying what a Kerry election means are so far from reality, but then again no one ever accused the Bush White House of living in reality either. But I get a feeling for a vast majority of people little progress done only where a clear majority believes in it is far better than ramming through a giveaway Republican agenda.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildBill:
The numbers speak volumes. If I am Kerry I just sit back and say nice broad things, nothing specific, and I let the election fall into my hands. When approval ratings are well under 50% the best strategy is not to attack and not take big positions. Just let the other guy lose it.

Besides this whole focus on what Kerry's policies are just are ridiculous. Fact is the guy is a Democrat almost certain to face two chambers that will be Republican and if they lose the Presidency will probably be militantly against anything he proposes. No matter what he wants to do or says he will do, he won't get much done. The whole line of Bush ads saying what a Kerry election means are so far from reality, but then again no one ever accused the Bush White House of living in reality either. But I get a feeling for a vast majority of people little progress done only where a clear majority believes in it is far better than ramming through a giveaway Republican agenda.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bill must be taking campaign lessons from Mondale and Dukakis's former advisers. Let's see Bill...there has been one month since Bush took office where his approval ratings (accounting for the margin of error) has been below 50%. So now you think Kerry, based one that one month, should simply coast his way to the office?

Bill, just about every article you write on here mocks squares and the way they think when they make bets. Maybe you ought to read some of your old stories and learn the dangers of cherry-picking numbers to reinforce what you want to see.
 

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What do you suggest? I think it is a winning formula, the squares are the ones that want him to go talk issues and put his head out there for the quarter billion dollar war chest to take a shot at. A lot of things in life are about making the fewest mistakes and I would say this is one of them. Kerry and his team are clearly going to the centrist route and if that is indeed the case then they will probably follow a path not too far from what I suggested. And the numbers don't lie, every incumbent that has won an election since they started doing good surveys of approval ratings has seen his numbers at 50% or better six months before the election. Unless you truly think this is a one-month aberration then the message is clear. W's team needs to change something. If I were on their side I would get off the same tired messages and try a new approach. The attack ads on 10 year old votes by Kerry and "Massachusetts liberal" obviously aren't resonating.
 

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You are operating under the assumption that what is happening in May will still be happening in November. Bush's problem in the polls are from the prison scandel. Kerry's main advantage according to polls is the poor economy (perception, not reality). Neither of these will last. It may get worse in Iraq, terrorism can (likely will) strike again before the election, and the economy may sink. Or democracy will take root,the economy will continue to soar and the US will find Bin Laden; no one knows what will happen. Using the small sample size of the past few incumbent presidential elections is worthless, in my opinon.
 

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Kerry hasn't even chosen a running mate yet. It's a longshot but I for one would love to see Sen. John McCain on the ticket. About time for America to come together and abandon partisan feuding, by choosing McCain - Kerry would make a unprecedented move in that direction.

WASHINGTON -- Senator Joseph R. Biden, a senior Democrat, yesterday urged Republican Senator John McCain to run for vice president with the presumptive Democratic nominee, Senator John F. Kerry, in order to heal the ''vicious rift" dividing America.

McCain, of Arizona, ''categorically" ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.

''I'm sticking with McCain," Biden said.

''I think John McCain would be a great candidate for vice president," Biden, from Delaware, said on NBC's ''Meet the Press," where the two senators appeared together to take questions on Iraq and other subjects.

''Do I think it's going to happen? No," he said. ''But I think it is a reflection of the desire of this country and the desire of people in both parties to want to see this God-awful, vicious rift that exists in the nation healed, and John and John could go a long way to heal in that rift."

McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee and in line to take over the Senate Armed Services panel in two years, endorsed Biden's call for bridging the political gap between Democrats and Republicans.

''There's too much partisanship in America, and there's too much partisanship in the Senate," he said. ''And we're not doing our job as our constituents expect us to do."

''I will always take anyone's phone calls," McCain said of any call he might get from Kerry, a fellow decorated Vietnam War veteran. ''But I will not, I categorically will not do it."

Kerry said Wednesday that McCain would be his first choice to replace Donald H. Rumsfeld, President Bush's secretary of defense. Rumsfeld is now wrestling with the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.

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John Kerry is like the Wizard of Oz. There's really nothing underneath his neatly pressed suit. The only chance he has of winning is to keep his mouth shut and hope there are enough Bush haters out there. Saying things in his commercials like "he cast the deciding vote in the Senate that created 20,000 jobs!" What a bunch of crap. It's like Al Gore and the internet all over again. All he can do is try to criticize Bush. "He shouldn't be at a Nascar race, he should be busy in Washington, creating jobs." How laughable this guy is. Sorry fellas, but it's 1996 all over again. Bill Clinton had no chance, and his approval ratings were in the toilet. And then, Bob Dole appeared, and the country saw the alternative.
 

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If Bush has 2 weeks of good news in October its all over John France Kerry....If Kerry hasn't taken a firm lead with all the bad news and liberal media schills campaigning foe him he never will....ahahahaha.
 

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If the Devil Rays can just have about Four Good Months between now and October, it will be all over NY Bronx Bombers....

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From the outside looking in: the Dems made a huge mistake selecting Kerry ... the votes from their leftist constituents are being taken for granted, which will give Nader a boost, inevitably. Kerry has zilch to offer in terms of a solid Bush alternative; his foreign policy is pretty much the same (going to the UN? yeah, good luck with that), his views on the US economy are just plain wrong, his stance against the energy commission is beyond weak ...

I suspect Bush wins this by 10%, and, to some degree, I almost hope it happens. It might be the only way that history can determine that the neo-con/neo-lib agendas are flawed beyond reproach and need to be abandoned.

Either way, god help us all.
 

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The facist Repub's know how weak Kerry is and are probably laughing all the way to the bank, whilst their poster boys Bush and Cheney fill the pockets of their masters. They are allowing the gouging to contiune because, quite simply, they can, and know they can get away with it.

Face it all summer we are gonna get the shaft.

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