Great Question ! I'm sitting here trying to think of one reason why I give a rats ass about anything that happens in the U.S.A ... so then I asked "Why does the U.S care so much about what happens in Iraq ?" Then it all became clear ... I care because the U.S is the only 'superpower' my country borders. I care because you are the only country to have used a nuclear weapon on another population. I care because you have enough WMD to destroy the earth several times. I care because I fear the worste of your colonial presidents who go to great lengths to write themselves into the world history books. I care because you people are so damned self-rightous in your pursuit of world domination I care because I fear one day your country will turn it's insatiable appetite for destruction this way. In short ... I care because AMERICA FORCES ME TO.
My question is ... how are Americans so oblivious to the way they are perceived around the world ? Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida.
Can you say HYPOCRITES !
So yeah, I care about a country that can basically make up rules as they go along and answer to no-one ... especially since I happen to share the world's longest un-protected border with it.
Peace.
My question is ... how are Americans so oblivious to the way they are perceived around the world ? Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida.
Can you say HYPOCRITES !
So yeah, I care about a country that can basically make up rules as they go along and answer to no-one ... especially since I happen to share the world's longest un-protected border with it.
Peace.
meansstreak
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My question is ... how are Americans so oblivious to the way they are perceived around the world ? Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with with florida..al gore should have agreed to the rules in place, after 3 recounts he refused to go away and used his pressure on elected democratic judges to make new rules out of whole cloth.
Guys like you try to rewrite history.You would not be using your PERSONAL computer if it wasn't for the actions of the USA...iether Hitler, Stalin or now the guys that wear go cart tires on their head in pissy table cloths,would not let you.
But go ahead and bitch and moan and burn the flag and spit on the pres. because there are 20 year olds that today are losing life and limb voluntarily so that you can....speaking of hypocrites.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My question is ... how are Americans so oblivious to the way they are perceived around the world ? Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with with florida..al gore should have agreed to the rules in place, after 3 recounts he refused to go away and used his pressure on elected democratic judges to make new rules out of whole cloth.
Guys like you try to rewrite history.You would not be using your PERSONAL computer if it wasn't for the actions of the USA...iether Hitler, Stalin or now the guys that wear go cart tires on their head in pissy table cloths,would not let you.
But go ahead and bitch and moan and burn the flag and spit on the pres. because there are 20 year olds that today are losing life and limb voluntarily so that you can....speaking of hypocrites.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because you are the only country to have used a nuclear weapon on another population. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because you have enough WMD to destroy the earth several times. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because I fear the worste of your colonial presidents who go to great lengths to write themselves into the world history books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's understandable.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because you people are so damned self-rightous in your pursuit of world domination <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be ecstatic if that was the problem. Reality is that most Americans don't know what to think.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because I fear one day your country will turn it's insatiable appetite for destruction this way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If that's true, you would be better served not to antagonize someone you perceive to be powerful and mean.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Instead of railing against the process that employs the guessing of someone's intent, you should question why we haven't moved to a better system IMO. As far as your 2nd comment, I can think of at least 1 President wasn't rich or priviledged but he was white. I wouldn't expect you to know that if you are really from Canada. Hell, even if you were American, I wouldn't expect that.
Wrong
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because you have enough WMD to destroy the earth several times. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because I fear the worste of your colonial presidents who go to great lengths to write themselves into the world history books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's understandable.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because you people are so damned self-rightous in your pursuit of world domination <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be ecstatic if that was the problem. Reality is that most Americans don't know what to think.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I care because I fear one day your country will turn it's insatiable appetite for destruction this way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If that's true, you would be better served not to antagonize someone you perceive to be powerful and mean.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Your country places such a high premium on freedom and democracy (killing others in the name of it)while completely making a MOCKERY of it in their own sham of an election that allowed a rich, priviledged, white man (as all presidents have been) HIJACK the process in the state of Florida. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Instead of railing against the process that employs the guessing of someone's intent, you should question why we haven't moved to a better system IMO. As far as your 2nd comment, I can think of at least 1 President wasn't rich or priviledged but he was white. I wouldn't expect you to know that if you are really from Canada. Hell, even if you were American, I wouldn't expect that.
Meanstreak
you should not be prjudiced against a whole nation for any reason. Most countries are made of individuals with their own opinions, we are lucky in the fact that we are allowed to voice our opinion. Some countries will kill you for speaking against the gov't. we are not all hypocrites as you state.
It is ok for us to question our own gov't, but Canadians who don't live here and vote and pay taxes will be speaking to deaf ears.
I have never wondered in my life how something in Canada might affect my life. As mentioned by you above =- do you really think America would turn on Canada? Ridiculous! You are grasping on to something that is not there. I have never once in my life hear someone say "damn Canadians" By the way that is a compliment. I didn't think Canadians had anything to be paranoid about, especially with your borderline commie gov't programs. yall have it made right?
vol
you should not be prjudiced against a whole nation for any reason. Most countries are made of individuals with their own opinions, we are lucky in the fact that we are allowed to voice our opinion. Some countries will kill you for speaking against the gov't. we are not all hypocrites as you state.
It is ok for us to question our own gov't, but Canadians who don't live here and vote and pay taxes will be speaking to deaf ears.
I have never wondered in my life how something in Canada might affect my life. As mentioned by you above =- do you really think America would turn on Canada? Ridiculous! You are grasping on to something that is not there. I have never once in my life hear someone say "damn Canadians" By the way that is a compliment. I didn't think Canadians had anything to be paranoid about, especially with your borderline commie gov't programs. yall have it made right?
vol
I know the "average" Canadian pretty well. In college, we had about five canucks on the hockey team. They were as conservative and down to earth as yours truly. True rednecks from the hicks. They would go home over Christmas and bring back a truckloads of Canadian beer for the hockey parties during the year. When we ran low on Canadian beer, a road trip was in order. You would never know that they were Canucks except for the slang they used. None of them were liberals and most of them, if not all of them, became American citizens while Ronald Reagan was president!
To make the record straight .. the question posed was with regards to "America" and "George Bush", not Americans specifically and individually.
My problems are generally with the broader concepts of "Nation states" and "Government". If one were to ask me my opinion on Canada and it's elected leaders I would have a very similar response.
Although I could not call my country, or its' elected leaders 'colonial', I could use about a hundred other adjectives to describe the complete and utter contempt I have for both.
As I have stated previously - I swear no allegiance to any flag, or political organization. To be 'proud' of a geographic area on the globe is ridiculous from my perspective. The accident of birth combined with the forces of fate have landed my sorry ass in a place people call Canada ... does it necessarily follow that I must blindly follow the so-called leaders of my co-called country ?
Elected officials are just people. There is nothing inherently special about them that I should feel compelled to put my faith and trust in. Canadian politicinas, for example, are a bunch of self serving, intellectually stunted, parasites living off the backs off those called 'tax-payers".
I refuse to believe I was placed on this planet to be told what I can and can't do by others. I refuse to believe I was put on this planet to abdicate my personal responsibility and be 'cared' for by a government.
Call me crazy but in my eyes we are all equal, truly. As such, I will never accord any special priviledge to any other human, period. Especially those who have been accorded every advantage this socially constructed morass has conferred to them. Conversely, I will not seek to do any harm to other equals either. To go over seas and kill others I have never met, in the name of a 'country', or at the behest of another politician is, in my estimation, the very definition of INSANE.
So in short, every so-called 'American' is more than welcome in my home (you too Patriot). I have several friends and relatives living in that geographic region directly south of me and I travel there quite frequently. Amazingly, I have never had any problems getting along with their friends and neighbours who call themselves 'American'.
Peace.
My problems are generally with the broader concepts of "Nation states" and "Government". If one were to ask me my opinion on Canada and it's elected leaders I would have a very similar response.
Although I could not call my country, or its' elected leaders 'colonial', I could use about a hundred other adjectives to describe the complete and utter contempt I have for both.
As I have stated previously - I swear no allegiance to any flag, or political organization. To be 'proud' of a geographic area on the globe is ridiculous from my perspective. The accident of birth combined with the forces of fate have landed my sorry ass in a place people call Canada ... does it necessarily follow that I must blindly follow the so-called leaders of my co-called country ?
Elected officials are just people. There is nothing inherently special about them that I should feel compelled to put my faith and trust in. Canadian politicinas, for example, are a bunch of self serving, intellectually stunted, parasites living off the backs off those called 'tax-payers".
I refuse to believe I was placed on this planet to be told what I can and can't do by others. I refuse to believe I was put on this planet to abdicate my personal responsibility and be 'cared' for by a government.
Call me crazy but in my eyes we are all equal, truly. As such, I will never accord any special priviledge to any other human, period. Especially those who have been accorded every advantage this socially constructed morass has conferred to them. Conversely, I will not seek to do any harm to other equals either. To go over seas and kill others I have never met, in the name of a 'country', or at the behest of another politician is, in my estimation, the very definition of INSANE.
So in short, every so-called 'American' is more than welcome in my home (you too Patriot). I have several friends and relatives living in that geographic region directly south of me and I travel there quite frequently. Amazingly, I have never had any problems getting along with their friends and neighbours who call themselves 'American'.
Peace.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You would not be using your PERSONAL computer if it wasn't for the actions of the USA...iether Hitler, Stalin or now the guys that wear go cart tires on their head in pissy table cloths,would not let you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
u r a f ucking knob if you think that the USA was the primary reason the allies won WWII. CANADA was the only country that actually met their objectives on D Day & if you want to thank any country for the victory in WWII thank a Russian.
u r a f ucking knob if you think that the USA was the primary reason the allies won WWII. CANADA was the only country that actually met their objectives on D Day & if you want to thank any country for the victory in WWII thank a Russian.
Sportsavant,
I don't think the intent was to laud the American's contribution as much as to point out that Hitler had everyone on the run(even the Russians) and without direct troop involvement from the U.S., who is to say that Hitler would have still been defeated. It's possible he would have been but there's too many variables. Hitler's timing could have used some tweaking. IMO he did very well considering the sorry state of his military when he was attained the Chancellorship of Weimar.
I don't think the intent was to laud the American's contribution as much as to point out that Hitler had everyone on the run(even the Russians) and without direct troop involvement from the U.S., who is to say that Hitler would have still been defeated. It's possible he would have been but there's too many variables. Hitler's timing could have used some tweaking. IMO he did very well considering the sorry state of his military when he was attained the Chancellorship of Weimar.
Sport Savant
I guess I am a fvckin knob
The U.S. was the primary reason for winning the war. We were fighting on 2 fronts! I will thank a Russian, but they weren't the primary reason, Hitler was dumb enough to attack them, especially in the winter far from supply lines. Plus, they were defending their homeland on one side of one front(western). They had tremendous losses, many civilian.
Back to me being a knob, England and France, Poland etc were getting their asses blown off before we joined the war. They were either already occupied by the Germans or in jeopardy of it, except England held it's own during the relentless bombing, but they weren't attached to mainland.
I will leave out the Pacific war with Japan, but ask the people of China, Russia, Phillipines.
Ask the old timers that lived in occupied France, Belgium, Holland what/who the primary reason was for having the Germans driven out their country was.
I am proud that we seved side by side with the Canadians.
As far as them being the only ones to meet their objective, that is somewhat true ( for the first hours of June 6), but they were under command of Eisenhower's plan, and the overall object was met.
I want to personally thank the Canadians for their support that day and throughout the war.
vol
I guess I am a fvckin knob
The U.S. was the primary reason for winning the war. We were fighting on 2 fronts! I will thank a Russian, but they weren't the primary reason, Hitler was dumb enough to attack them, especially in the winter far from supply lines. Plus, they were defending their homeland on one side of one front(western). They had tremendous losses, many civilian.
Back to me being a knob, England and France, Poland etc were getting their asses blown off before we joined the war. They were either already occupied by the Germans or in jeopardy of it, except England held it's own during the relentless bombing, but they weren't attached to mainland.
I will leave out the Pacific war with Japan, but ask the people of China, Russia, Phillipines.
Ask the old timers that lived in occupied France, Belgium, Holland what/who the primary reason was for having the Germans driven out their country was.
I am proud that we seved side by side with the Canadians.
As far as them being the only ones to meet their objective, that is somewhat true ( for the first hours of June 6), but they were under command of Eisenhower's plan, and the overall object was met.
I want to personally thank the Canadians for their support that day and throughout the war.
vol
Without US intervention in WWII, the Allies probably would have lost. It is possible that the Russians could have tired out the Germans, or that the Germans could have continued to make stupid mistakes and tired themselves out, but there is little question that US intervention helped alot. But what pisses Canadians and Brits off about the typical American 'you-would-be-speaking-German-if-not-for-us' rhetoric is that it took you guys a lot longer to enter the war and were therefore in much better shape than any of the remaining Allies. Had you joined us all from the get-go, you probably wouldn't look like the saviours that history has made you out to be. Further, if it weren't for the rest of the Allies, you guys may well have had to defend yourselves against Nazism right on your own doorstep, rather than halfway around the world. We were an Allied force, DDay was an Allied invasion, and it makes me nuts that many Americans so readily take sole credit for the defeat of Hitler.
You guys need to read more history...
80% of US outputs went into Europe, to fight 30% of the German forces that were based on the Western front.
70% of German outputs were on the Russian Front, fighting the biggest land battle in history.
The Russians won WW2 btw.
America saved europe from the communists, and the atom bomb stopped Stalin going any further.
Another wee snippet..
The Indian subcontinent (present-day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka - henceforth referred to, for convenience, as ‘India’) contributed the largest volunteer army in history to the Allied cause during the Second World War.
Over 2.5 million volunteers.
Squashing Hitler was a serious team effort, a real World War.
80% of US outputs went into Europe, to fight 30% of the German forces that were based on the Western front.
70% of German outputs were on the Russian Front, fighting the biggest land battle in history.
The Russians won WW2 btw.
America saved europe from the communists, and the atom bomb stopped Stalin going any further.
Another wee snippet..
The Indian subcontinent (present-day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka - henceforth referred to, for convenience, as ‘India’) contributed the largest volunteer army in history to the Allied cause during the Second World War.
Over 2.5 million volunteers.
Squashing Hitler was a serious team effort, a real World War.
good info volhound...
when I read you rquestion last night I thought it to be a little silly... I mean after all... the entire world is obsessed with USA not just Canada.
I live in Canada but have travelled the world many times over... My parents live in Malaysia... What do you think they spend the majority of their time watching on TV? CNN thats right...
regardless of where you live what the USA is doing is of prime importance... 80% of Canadians live within 200 miles of the US border... we are inondated with USA media. Of course we are interested... we live in a global world where the actions of Super Powers affect everyone.
Of course USA played a major role in WWII... as did many other countried...
when I read you rquestion last night I thought it to be a little silly... I mean after all... the entire world is obsessed with USA not just Canada.
I live in Canada but have travelled the world many times over... My parents live in Malaysia... What do you think they spend the majority of their time watching on TV? CNN thats right...
regardless of where you live what the USA is doing is of prime importance... 80% of Canadians live within 200 miles of the US border... we are inondated with USA media. Of course we are interested... we live in a global world where the actions of Super Powers affect everyone.
Of course USA played a major role in WWII... as did many other countried...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> u r a f ucking knob if you think that the USA was the primary reason the allies won WWII. CANADA was the only country that actually met their objectives on D Day & if you want to thank any country for the victory in WWII thank a Russian. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I guess I must be a fxckin knob then...because let me give you a hint you you typical rewriting pick and choose selective memory simpleton liberal fxck.
Enola Gay
Little boy
I rest my case....AGAIN!
....and thanks for playin!!
I guess I must be a fxckin knob then...because let me give you a hint you you typical rewriting pick and choose selective memory simpleton liberal fxck.
Enola Gay
Little boy
I rest my case....AGAIN!
....and thanks for playin!!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We were an Allied force, DDay was an Allied invasion, and it makes me nuts that many Americans so readily take sole credit for the defeat of Hitler. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Xpanda this is typical... I bet you if you did a poll on the streets of the USA 50% or more of the population woudnt even know that Russia was with us fighting against the Nazi's... Kind of Like when Jay Leno asks those questions on the streets... a damn shame really... & yes... American Propganda at its best.
Xpanda this is typical... I bet you if you did a poll on the streets of the USA 50% or more of the population woudnt even know that Russia was with us fighting against the Nazi's... Kind of Like when Jay Leno asks those questions on the streets... a damn shame really... & yes... American Propganda at its best.
