Whose side are they on? Apple REFUSES court order to unlock dead Islamic terrorist's iPhone found after husband and wife’s San Bernardino attack

[PatsFan1283]

I can't blame Apple for fighting this. Yet we need this information. But The FBI is overstepping asking Apple to create a whole new platform that they can easily break into.

So likely there will be a compromise. Apple will break into the phone, make a screenshot of the data and print it out for the FBI.

Up next on 'The Mentalist'.

I'm sure the NSA can break into the phone if they really want.

The gov't just sees this case as a way to weaken the tech companies hold on this information. This has been a contested issue for awhile now and San Bernardino shooting gives them the opening..

 

[ScottL]

I hope not Patsfan. The security of Americans should be the top priority of the gov't, not the data of Americans.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Well it is a lot easier to fight terrorism when you can just hack into every single phone in the US at a moments notice. That is a given but it is at a cost to US citizens.

We just need to find the balance between civil liberties and catching the bad guys. Whatever that is.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Well it is a lot easier to fight terrorism when you can just hack into every single phone in the US at a moments notice. That is a given but it is at a cost to US citizens.

We just need to find the balance between civil liberties and catching the bad guys. Whatever that is.

Meh, cellphones, banking, what difference does it make?

The govt seems to think it has a right to seize or spy on anything it wants because the govt wants control of everything. Period.

In 2016, freedom is just a cheap political slogan. Practically, it no longer exists. Just shop for the right judges and the Bill of Rights is flushed.

Which brings up an interesting point...why are these pivotal issues being decided in the courts? A courtroom is about as far away from "We The People" as it gets.

 

[ScottL]

I agree Pats. The fight to prevent terror attacks here at home will have to not only strike a delicate balance but also require vigilance against not only the big ones by established mass killers like AQ but also these San Bernadino types. Our gov't is really up against it. That's another reason why it's time the FBI and local PDs stop wasting the taxpayer's money investigating mostly victimless crimes like pot, gambling and other vices. Our resources should be streamlined to prevent the activities that can really hurt us, and not those in which people choose to hurt themselves. As long as they're not driving impaired of course. But if you're going to allow people to throw their money away on the lottery you shouldn't be knocking bookie's doors down. Reassign these vice cops where they can do some good.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Meh, cellphones, banking, what difference does it make?

The govt seems to think it has a right to seize or spy on anything it wants because the govt wants control of everything. Period.

In 2016, freedom is just a cheap political slogan. Practically, it no longer exists. Just shop for the right judges and the Bill of Rights is flushed.

Which brings up an interesting point...why are these pivotal issues being decided in the courts? A courtroom is about as far away from "We The People" as it gets.

I've said this before but I think for better or worse the populace has pretty much acknowledged the terrorists are willing to die for the cause and explosives are more compact than ever. While people might not be crazy about potentially ceding privacy to the gov't, they more or less are invested in the idea that it beats living under Sharia law. In a perfect world, the more we allow for minimal intrusion now could prevent maximum intrusion later. Even if some special interests profit along the way.

Maybe not the best example but Rand Paul's campaign going nowhere compared to his daddy 4-8 years ago is probably a good example of this.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Let's get an authoritarian take on the matter....

“Who do they think they are? No, we have to open it up,” said Trump, the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination.

Open it up...

 

[superbeets]

Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, claimed that Apple was becoming the 'company of choice' for criminals.
'Apple chose to protect a dead ISIS terrorist's p‎rivacy over the security of the American people,' he said. 'The problem of end-to-end encryption isn't just a terrorism issue.
'It is also a drug-trafficking, kidnapping, and child pornography issue that impacts every state of the Union. It's unfortunate that the great company Apple is becoming the company of choice for terrorists, drug dealers, and sexual predators of all sorts.'


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[superbeets]

Let's get an authoritarian take on the matter....

“Who do they think they are? No, we have to open it up,” said Trump, the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination.

Open it up...

Donald Trump was one of the first big names to weigh in on Apple's fight with the federal government, saying he believes the tech company should comply with the court order to open Farook's iPhone.


'To think that Apple won't allow us to get into her cellphone? Who do they think they are? No, we have to open it,' The Republican presidential candidate told Fox & Friends Wednesday morning.

'I agree 100 percent with the courts. In that case, we should open it up.

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Against Apple: In an interview with Fox and Friends Wednesday morning, Donald Trump said he was '100 per cent' with the courts on the issue to hack Farook's iPhone. Pictured above at a campaign stop on Tuesday in Beaufort, South Carolina

'I think security, overall, we have to open it up and we have to use our heads. We have to use common sense,' Trump added. 'Somebody the other day called me a common-sense conservative. We have to use common sense.'
Trump said in a 2013 Facebook post that he has 'a lot of' Apple stock.


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[superbeets]

Fellow Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio said he hoped Apple would comply but acknowledged it was a 'tough issue'.
'There's no easy answers for the encryption issue,' he said. 'Because on the one hand, this encryption is designed to prevent people from having unauthorized access to your private information.
'On the other hand, there are terrorists and criminals who are using encryption to protect themselves. So I really think this is going to require us to work very closely with the technology industry to find a solution.'


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Bill Bratton, the NYPD commissioner, agreed with Trump, saying: 'No device, no car and no apartment should be beyond the reach of a court-ordered search warrant.'

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[superbeets]

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Survivor: Arlen Verdeh lost his wife Bennetta Betbadal in the December 2 shooting. He said he's disappointed in Apple for not helping the FBI more in their investigation

The debate also sparked outrage from San Berarndino survivors, such as Arlen Verdeh who lost his wife Bennetta Betbadal in the shooting.
'For national security, it should not take three months to help the federal government with this decision,' Verdeh told NBC Los Angeles on Tuesday. 'I am very upset with Apple for not assisting the federal government.'
'People's lives matter,' Verdeh added. 'This could reduce other instances. Any assistance they can help the federal government in finding what's behind those phones is a big help.'


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Speaking out: 'I feel like now there are a whole bunch of terrorists running out and buying iPhones, like the little 'I' in iPhone should be for ISIS,' Mandy Pifer (pictured right), who lost fiancé Shannon Johnson (pictured left) said on Wednesday


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[superbeets]

CAN APPLE REALLY DENY A COURT ORDER?



Apple has five days to appeal the California judge’s decision forcing the tech company to help the FBI bypass the passcode on alleged San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook's work iPhone.
According to law expert Jamil Jaffer, all Apple can do do is appeal the order through district judges all the way to the Supreme Court, Congress may also be able to step in and make laws that strike a more precise balance between privacy and national security, he told CNBC.




WHAT INVESTIGATORS WANT


Judge Sheri Pym of U.S. District Court in Los Angeles said that Apple must provide 'reasonable technical assistance' to investigators seeking to unlock the data on an iPhone 5C that had been owned by Syed Rizwan Farook.
That assistance includes disabling the phone's auto-erase function, which activates after 10 consecutive unsuccessful passcode attempts, and helping investigators to submit passcode guesses electronically.
However, Apple says this is akin to 'a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks - from restaurants and banks to stores and homes.'


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The FBI wants to be able to try different combinations in rapid sequence until it finds the right one.

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[PatsFan1283]

Company of choice for criminals, lol.

Nah that's the Ravens.

Good to see the discourse is going smoothly.

 

[JohnnyMac]

Good to see those Republicans, who are usually "pro business" and against "big government" and "activist judges" are all lining up to force a private company to submit to the FBI because one judge says so.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I've said this before but I think for better or worse the populace has pretty much acknowledged the terrorists are willing to die for the cause and explosives are more compact than ever. While people might not be crazy about potentially ceding privacy to the gov't, they more or less are invested in the idea that it beats living under Sharia law. In a perfect world, the more we allow for minimal intrusion now could prevent maximum intrusion later. Even if some special interests profit along the way.

Maybe not the best example but Rand Paul's campaign going nowhere compared to his daddy 4-8 years ago is probably a good example of this.

So THE GOVERNMENT lets these Muslim bastards into the country either because of left wing immigration policies or porous borders, past and present.

Now they want access to your phone "for your protection"????

For anyone not inside a political bubble, the system is beyond insane.

 

[The Guesser]

Good to see those Republicans, who are usually "pro business" and against "big government" and "activist judges" are all lining up to force a private company to submit to the FBI because one judge says so.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, but what else is new? Scott had the best solution in post 20. No change in law, but get the info from that particular phone and turn it over to the gov't.

 

[PatsFan1283]

So THE GOVERNMENT lets these Muslim bastards into the country either because of left wing immigration policies or left wing border ideology in the first place, past and present.

Now they want access to your phone "for your protection"????

For anyone not inside a political bubble, the system is beyond insane.

Be great if Cook said that. "How about you guys do your job so we can use our consumer electronics in peace."

Can't even make a deposit at the bank anymore without thinking someone could tell DHS you look suspicious and a senator has the balls to say Apple is the company "for the criminals"

 

[PatsFan1283]

Hypocrisy at it's finest, but what else is new? Scott had the best solution in post 20. No change in law, but get the info from that particular phone and turn it over to the gov't.

If Apples encryption is so good that no one at the NSA can hack it, then that is some nice free advertising they just got.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Be great if Cook said that. "How about you guys do your job so we can use our consumer electronics in peace."

Can't even make a deposit at the bank anymore without thinking someone could tell DHS you look suspicious and a senator has the balls to say Apple is the company "for the criminals"

That is exactly what Cook should have argued.

Yep, the current over-regulated, intrusive banking system is shameful for a country which calls itself 'free'

It's a backassword world in the bubble that is Washington, DC. The government is so busy pandering to corrupt special interests and ideologies it has no business in that it can't even perform the simplest constitutional tasks, like... BORDER SECURITY.

What this toxic federal political system needs is a 10th Amendment revolution.

 

[roadreeler57]

I can't blame Apple for fighting this. Yet we need this information. But The FBI is overstepping asking Apple to create a whole new platform that they can easily break into.

So likely there will be a compromise. Apple will break into the phone, make a screenshot of the data and print it out for the FBI.

Up next on 'The Mentalist'.

This sounds like the best idea...As long as they get the info..