who was laughing when Bush was calling Iran a nuclear threat again?

[PatsFan1283]

I'm not rewriting the narrative, I'm not rewriting history, I know why the democrats embraced the war (their words speak for themselves)

I'm teaching history, mocking the modern day narrative

Nobody embraced the war more than the guy who authorized it and shookoff Colin Powell telling him you break you own it. We own it now, free and clear, no mortgage....We got what we bargained for and it was 1 of the worst military disasters of all time. We're still there, its 2013! We've been there so long that it our own civilians became apathetic and disinterested in it like 6 years ago. All the the capital we've wasted there (human and financial)...

The 1 good silver lining is I doubt you see us get bogged down in a conflict like this for a long time given what this taught us.


Judging by those quotes I think you've maybe talked yourself into this war was happening regardless, you think Al Gore goes in? You said all democratic leaders supported it.

 

[vitterd]

how about one more for good measure....i know you're already on the mat....but it's just too easy

www.nbcnews.com/id/22794451/#.UqtGm_k3DRs

 

[Willie99]

Nobody embraced the war more than the guy who authorized it and shookoff Colin Powell telling him you break you own it. We own it now, free and clear, no mortgage....We got what we bargained for and it was 1 of the worst military disasters of all time.

The 1 good silver lining is I doubt you see us get bogged down in a conflict like this for a long time given what this taught us.

Iraq was won after the surge, and we obviously don't own it today. We're not even there

Bush mismanaged the war which prolonged the war when he didn't use the "surge" from day 1. He listened to Rumsfeld, he tried to win it with a small force which was more politically correct. they were right with respect to overthrowing Saddam, but dead wrong with respect to securing the country and defeating terrorism. The people needed to feel protected before they started to help us make their streets safer.

 

[Willie99]

how about one more for good measure....i know you're already on the mat....but it's just too easy

www.nbcnews.com/id/22794451/#.UqtGm_k3DRs

the quotes already proved you lost, you're knocked out, you're unconscious and twitching on the canvas, there's shit in your pants, you're just in a state of deep dreaming now

 

[vitterd]

the quotes already proved you lost, you're knocked out, you're unconscious and twitching on the canvas, there's shit in your pants, you're just in a state of deep dreaming now

Posted 5 articles that destroy every word you said.....yet you claim victory....it's like nov 2012 all over again in here.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Iraq was won after the surge, and we obviously don't own it today. We're not even there

Bush mismanaged the war which prolonged the war when he didn't use the "surge" from day 1. He listened to Rumsfeld, he tried to win it with a small force which was more politically correct. they were right with respect to overthrowing Saddam, but dead wrong with respect to securing the country and defeating terrorism. The people needed to feel protected before they started to help us make their streets safer.

11 years was certainly long enough, it was our mini-Vietnam.

The problem is you couldn't overthrow Saddam and then secure the country/defeat terrorism. That was why overthrowing Saddam didn't work because we had to rebuild an entire nation. Thus you break it you own it...

The administration had no clue the amount of time, money and resources that was going to take. They were not prepared for this whatsoever. I know it was taken out of context but Mission Accomplished did prove their lack of understanding on what was ahead.

Are you saying you think Iraq was a success? I'm not sure

also yes the surge was the turning point and turned a disaster into a salvageable situation, nobody could argue that I don't think. Just saying at the time that whole administration had no clue what they were doing in terms of the rebuilding effort ahead.

What did we spend there? 2-3Bs?

 

[Dave007inVegas]

www.infowars.com/wmd_archive.htm

Better call dave007 in for some useless pics.....getting ugly in here

Ugly? I'll show you what's ugly... -57.8 units.

 

[vitterd]

Ugly? I'll show you what's ugly... -57.8 units.

Is that all you got today? Talk about redundant.

How bout my record against you ......150-0 and a year off for you.

How you have the guts to talk after your picks in that contest....disgraceful and no shame at all......republican traits always showing.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Is that all you got today? Talk about redundant.

How bout my record against you ......150-0 and a year off for you.

How you have the guts to talk after your picks in that contest....disgraceful and no shame at all......republican traits always showing.

Have I pissed you off yet? If not I keep going.

 

[vitterd]

Have I pissed you off yet? If not I keep going.

You? Piss me off? Lmao....simply not possible. Keep going...you can go all day and night....nothing will change that i caught you lying and you refuse to admit....nothing can change it....no matter how hard you try.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Ugly? I'll show you what's ugly... -57.8 units.

Is that all you got today? Talk about redundant.

How bout my record against you ......150-0 and a year off for you.

How you have the guts to talk after your picks in that contest....disgraceful and no shame at all......republican traits always showing.

Fucking classic. Two square mushes calling each-other out. The more things change the more some stay the same

 

[vitterd]

Fucking classic. Two square mushes calling each-other out. The more things change the more some stay the same

Fletch youre back? Thought i knocked you out for good.....glad to see you back up and running....How those 18 dollar reverses and teasers going?

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Fucking classic. Two square mushes calling each-other out. The more things change the more some stay the same

Well. well, look who the cat dragged in. How's the wind blowing?

 

[Willie99]

Posted 5 articles that destroy every word you said.....yet you claim victory....it's like nov 2012 all over again in here.

What did I say again? That's your biggest problem, you're just fucking stupid. Really really stupid.

What I did is post the words democrats chose to speak, predating Bush.

What I did was point out the UN sanctioned Iraq numerous times, most of shich predated Bush.

I simply gave facts, let people arrive at their own conclusions.

What you did is cite authors creating to same narrative you create. But that simply doesn't trump raw facts which speak for themselves.

How many concussions have you suffered? Did you go through a windshield? Does your family have a history of being dunces? Did you do too many drugs?

What gives?

 

[vitterd]

What did I say again? That's your biggest problem, you're just fucking stupid. Really really stupid.

What I did is post the words democrats chose to speak, predating Bush.

What I did was point out the UN sanctioned Iraq numerous times, most of shich predated Bush.

I simply gave facts, let people arrive at their own conclusions.

What you did is cite authors creating to same narrative you create. But that simply doesn't trump raw facts which speak for themselves.

How many concussions have you suffered? Did you go through a windshield? Does your family have a history of being dunces? Did you do too many drugs?

What gives?

So all those stories about the bush lies are just "narratives" but your quotes are the end of the story. Are you actually retarded

 

[Willie99]

So all those stories about the bush lies are just "narratives" but your quotes are the end of the story. Are you actually retarded

OK dimwit, what I'm doing is mocking your statement that the whole world believed Saddam had WMD BECAUSE OF THE WAR MONGERING GW BUSH. You can't even follow a conversation you started, you don't understand a statement you made, you change and deflect midstream yet again, you can't walk and chew gum simultaneously

does your stupidity ever bottom out? do you ever get it? do people actually try to have substantive conversations with you in real life?

do really smart people you know just smile politely when you're talking?

 

[vitterd]

OK dimwit, what I'm doing is mocking your statement that the whole world believed Saddam had WMD BECAUSE OF THE WAR MONGERING GW BUSH. You can't even follow a conversation you started, you don't understand a statement you made, you change and deflect midstream yet again, you can't walk and chew gum simultaneously

does your stupidity ever bottom out? do you ever get it? do people actually try to have substantive conversations with you in real life?

do really smart people you know just smile politely when you're talking?

The war mongor conviced much of the world that sadaam had wmd's...duped tony blair into it and was his whole basis for going to war. A few quotes pre bush doesn't change any of that. Your boy lied and thousands died..

Do you consider yourself "smart people"? Nobody else considers you that.

 

[Willie99]

The war mongor conviced much of the world that sadaam had wmd's...duped tony blair into it and was his whole basis for going to war. A few quotes pre bush doesn't change any of that. Your boy lied and thousands died..

Do you consider yourself "smart people"? Nobody else considers you that.

since Bush became president long after the Iraqi sanctions pertaining to WMD started, you lose

[h=2]Iraq related resolutions[edit][/h]

Resolution	Date	Vote	Concerns
479	28 September 1980	Unanimous	Noted the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War.
514	12 July 1982	Unanimous	Called for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
522	4 October 1982	Unanimous	Called for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
540	31 October 1983	12-0-3	Condemned violations of international law in the Iran–Iraq War.
582	24 February 1986	Unanimous	"Deplores" the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
588	8 October 1986	Unanimous	Called for the implementation of resolution 582.
598	20 July 1987	Unanimous	Demanded an immediate cease-fire between Iran and Iraq; requested that the UN Secretary-General start an investigation to determine how the conflict started.
612	9 May 1988		Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War, but did not single out Iraq as the only side to use them. Instead, the resolution said that the Security Council, "Expects both sides to refrain from the future use of chemical weapons."
619	9 August 1988		Created UNIIMOG to observe the implementation of a cease-fire for the Iran–Iraq War. Extended by resolutions 631, 642, 651, 671, 676 and 685. Terminated 28 February 1991.
620	26 August 1988		Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
660	2 August 1990	14-0-1,Yemenabstaining	Condemned the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanded a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. Supported by resolutions 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.
661	6 August 1990	13-0-2;Cuba, Yemen	Placed economic sanctions on Iraq in response to the invasion of Kuwait.
678	29 November 1990	12-2-1	Authorized use of force against Iraq to "uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area".
686	2 March 1991	11-1-3	Demanded Iraq's acceptance of all previous resolutions concerning the war with Kuwait.
687	3 April 1991	12-1-2	Formal ceasefire ending the Persian Gulf War, with the conditions that Iraq: Destroys all of its chemical and biological weapons and all ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km; Agrees not to develop nuclear weapons; Submits a declaration of its weapons programs and voluntarily agrees to on-site inspections.
688	5 April 1991		Condemned the repression of Iraqi Kurds.
707	15 August 1991		Demands immediate, complete, full compliance with UNSCR 687.
715	11 October 1991		Approves United Nations Special Commission on Iraq and International Atomic Energy Agency inspection provisions.
833	27 May 1993		Acknowledges clarifications of Iraq-Kuwait border and United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission (UNIKOM).
899	4 March 1994		Compensation payments to Iraqi private citizens whose assets remained on Kuwaiti territory following the demarcation of the Iraq-Kuwait border.
949	15 October 1994		Condemned the Iraqi military buildup on Kuwaiti border.
986	14 April 1995		Created the Oil-for-Food Programme. Supported by resolution 1111.
1051	27 March 1996	Unanimous	Created a mechanism to monitor Iraqi "dual use" import and exports.
1060	12 June 1996	Unanimous	Demands Iraq allow access to sites, weapons, transport and equipment by United Nations Special Commission weapons inspectors.
1284	17 December 1999	11-0-4	Changed the Iraqi inspection program from UNSCOM to UNMOVIC.
1441	8 November 2002	Unanimous	Gave Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations". After Hans Blix of UNMOVIC reported to the UN on 7 March 2003, the US, UK, and other members of the "coalition of the willing" declared that Iraq remained in material breach of resolution 687. Efforts aimed at a new Council resolution authorizing the invasion were aborted owing to resistance from other members of the Council including veto-wielding members. Iraq was invaded anyway, on 20 March.
1483	22 May 2003	14-0-1,Syriaabstaining	Recognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War.
1500	14 August 2003	14-0-1, Syria abstaining	Created the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq as a special representative of the UN Secretary General. Extended by resolutions 1557, 1619, and 1700.
1546	8 June 2004	Unanimous	Endorsed the dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority in favor of the Iraqi Interim Government as a step toward democracy.
1723	18 November 2006	Unanimous	Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2007.
1790	18 December 2007		Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2008.

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[Willie99]

for the more intelligent members of this forum, you might be interested in looking at the following sanctions to become up to speed on the truth about Iraq. For the Vtards of this world, forgetaboutit, you'll never grasp the truth

582 2/1986
588 10/1986
612 5/1988
620 8/1988
687 4/1991
688 5/1991
707 8/1991
715 10-1991
1060 6/1996
1284 12/1999
1441 11/2002
1483 5/2003

1) since W didn't become president until January of 2001, it's obvious (except to the vtards) that most of the sanctions occurred long before he became President

2) you can see they reprimanded Iraq for using WMD and they demanded UN inspections

3) the last two (I cited) should give you insight about what they thought about what the left now calls an "illegal war"

 

[vitterd]

since Bush became president long after the Iraqi sanctions pertaining to WMD started, you lose

[h=2]Iraq related resolutions[edit][/h]

Resolution	Date	Vote	Concerns
479	28 September 1980	Unanimous	Noted the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War.
514	12 July 1982	Unanimous	Called for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
522	4 October 1982	Unanimous	Called for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
540	31 October 1983	12-0-3	Condemned violations of international law in the Iran–Iraq War.
582	24 February 1986	Unanimous	"Deplores" the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
588	8 October 1986	Unanimous	Called for the implementation of resolution 582.
598	20 July 1987	Unanimous	Demanded an immediate cease-fire between Iran and Iraq; requested that the UN Secretary-General start an investigation to determine how the conflict started.
612	9 May 1988		Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War, but did not single out Iraq as the only side to use them. Instead, the resolution said that the Security Council, "Expects both sides to refrain from the future use of chemical weapons."
619	9 August 1988		Created UNIIMOG to observe the implementation of a cease-fire for the Iran–Iraq War. Extended by resolutions 631, 642, 651, 671, 676 and 685. Terminated 28 February 1991.
620	26 August 1988		Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
660	2 August 1990	14-0-1,Yemenabstaining	Condemned the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanded a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. Supported by resolutions 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.
661	6 August 1990	13-0-2;Cuba, Yemen	Placed economic sanctions on Iraq in response to the invasion of Kuwait.
678	29 November 1990	12-2-1	Authorized use of force against Iraq to "uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area".
686	2 March 1991	11-1-3	Demanded Iraq's acceptance of all previous resolutions concerning the war with Kuwait.
687	3 April 1991	12-1-2	Formal ceasefire ending the Persian Gulf War, with the conditions that Iraq: Destroys all of its chemical and biological weapons and all ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km; Agrees not to develop nuclear weapons; Submits a declaration of its weapons programs and voluntarily agrees to on-site inspections.
688	5 April 1991		Condemned the repression of Iraqi Kurds.
707	15 August 1991		Demands immediate, complete, full compliance with UNSCR 687.
715	11 October 1991		Approves United Nations Special Commission on Iraq and International Atomic Energy Agency inspection provisions.
833	27 May 1993		Acknowledges clarifications of Iraq-Kuwait border and United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission (UNIKOM).
899	4 March 1994		Compensation payments to Iraqi private citizens whose assets remained on Kuwaiti territory following the demarcation of the Iraq-Kuwait border.
949	15 October 1994		Condemned the Iraqi military buildup on Kuwaiti border.
986	14 April 1995		Created the Oil-for-Food Programme. Supported by resolution 1111.
1051	27 March 1996	Unanimous	Created a mechanism to monitor Iraqi "dual use" import and exports.
1060	12 June 1996	Unanimous	Demands Iraq allow access to sites, weapons, transport and equipment by United Nations Special Commission weapons inspectors.
1284	17 December 1999	11-0-4	Changed the Iraqi inspection program from UNSCOM to UNMOVIC.
1441	8 November 2002	Unanimous	Gave Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations". After Hans Blix of UNMOVIC reported to the UN on 7 March 2003, the US, UK, and other members of the "coalition of the willing" declared that Iraq remained in material breach of resolution 687. Efforts aimed at a new Council resolution authorizing the invasion were aborted owing to resistance from other members of the Council including veto-wielding members. Iraq was invaded anyway, on 20 March.
1483	22 May 2003	14-0-1,Syriaabstaining	Recognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War.
1500	14 August 2003	14-0-1, Syria abstaining	Created the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq as a special representative of the UN Secretary General. Extended by resolutions 1557, 1619, and 1700.
1546	8 June 2004	Unanimous	Endorsed the dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority in favor of the Iraqi Interim Government as a step toward democracy.
1723	18 November 2006	Unanimous	Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2007.
1790	18 December 2007		Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2008.

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Condemed the use of chemical weapons twice in the 1980's is your evidence? Nice try but wikipedia and you strike out again.