Whats bad about having a wall on our borders?

[superbeets]

United States foreign aid



In fiscal year 2014, the U.S. government allocated the following amounts for aid:

Total economic and military assistance: $43.10 billion


Total military assistance: $10.57 billionTotal economic assistance: $32.53 billionof which USAID Implemented: $17.82 billion





Plenty of spare money to build a wall.

 

[Willie99]

china makes a lot of money off their wall. the trump wall- may do the same for america.not only will mexico pay for it-he will make them paint it

damn, make it a tourist attraction, now we're thinking

walking path, bike path, observation decks, restaurants............................

 

[GasMan]

You could even put a shooting range on top w high caliber rifles where people can take shots at any illegals "going for it".
Immigration problem solved.

 

[Willie99]

You could even put a shooting range on top w high caliber rifles where people can take shots at any illegals "going for it".
Immigration problem solved.

or at least a skeet range just to scare the shit out of them

 

[superbeets]

More than 90 percent of recent refugees from Middle Eastern nations are on food stamps and nearly 70 percent receive cash assistance, according to government data.


According to Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) data highlighted by the immigration subcommittee staff of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)82%
— chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest — in FY 2013, 91.4 percent of Middle Eastern refugees (accepted to the U.S. between 2008-2013) received food stamps, 73.1 percent were on Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance and 68.3 percent were on cash welfare.


Middle Eastern refugees used a number of other assistance programs at slightly lower rates. For example, 36.7 percent received Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), 32.1 percent received Supplemental Security Income (SSI), 19.7 percent lived in public housing, 17.3 percent were on General Assistance (GA), and 10.9 percent received Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA).


The high welfare rates among Middle Eastern refugees comes as the Obama administration considers increasing the number of refugees — who are immediately eligible for public benefits — to the U.S., particularly Syrian refugees.


ORR defines refugees and asylees from the “Middle East” as being from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, and Yemen.


Sessions’ staff notes that that from FY 2008 to FY 2013 the U.S. admitted 115,617 refugees from the Middle East and granted another 10,026 asylum. Additionally the U.S. granted green cards to 308,805 immigrants from those Middle Eastern countries identified by ORR as refugee nations, making them Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs) eligible to apply for citizenship in five years and petition to have family members come to the U.S.


As of 2013, Sessions’ staff notes, the top ten countries for refugee admission to the U.S. were Iraq, Burma, Bhutan, Somalia, Cuba, Iran, Congo, Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia.


“More broadly, concerning all immigration, the Migration Policy Institute notes that the U.S. has taken in ‘about 20 percent of the world’s international migrants, even as it represents less than 5 percent of the global population,’ and that 1 in 4 U.S. residents is now either an immigrant or born to immigrant parents,” Sessions staff highlights, noting that the Census is projecting that another 14 million immigrants will come to the U.S. by 2025.

 

[TomGshotput]

The cost, in both initial construction and continued maintenance will doubtfully outweigh the benefits.

Pretty much just typical big government spending.

 

[TomGshotput]

The real issue with putting up the wall is if the American people want it. If Trump wins, it is clear the American people want a wall and it should be put up before next February. If Trump can't even beat a treasonous criminal, it is clear the American people reject his platform and we should hold off.

Like invading Iraq, Obamacare, or the Supreme Court, this will be decided whatever the customers tell the president to do.

 

[The Guesser]

The real issue with putting up the wall is if the American people want it. If Trump wins, it is clear the American people want a wall and it should be put up before next February. If Trump can't even beat a treasonous criminal, it is clear the American people reject his platform and we should hold off.

Like invading Iraq, Obamacare, or the Supreme Court, this will be decided whatever the customers tell the president to do.

I would agree with you EXCEPT the major part of his Wall proposal is that Mexico will pay for it, which of course won't happen, and is nothing Drumpf could assure.
If Americans were presented with an up or no vote on the wall, with cost estimates included, we'd have our answer. Sadly, no such vote exists.

 

[superbeets]

I would agree with you EXCEPT the major part of his Wall proposal is that Mexico will pay for it, which of course won't happen, and is nothing Drumpf could assure.
If Americans were presented with an up or no vote on the wall, with cost estimates included, we'd have our answer. Sadly, no such vote exists.

Simpleton Guesser strikes again

COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

• On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
• On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
• On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
• Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
• Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
• Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

 

[Willie99]

The cost, in both initial construction and continued maintenance will doubtfully outweigh the benefits.

Pretty much just typical big government spending.

do you know how much we spend supporting and educating and providing healthcare and jail cells to illegals?

I'm thinking there will be significant savings, but I can't quantify it (I actually need stuff like facts, I just can't pull bullshit from my ass and throw it against the wall)

 

[GasMan]

The cost, in both initial construction and continued maintenance will doubtfully outweigh the benefits.

Pretty much just typical big government spending.

Really?

Can we see your projections versus what it will save?

 

[JDeuce]

I really cant think of a legitimate reason of what is bad about having a wall on our borders....

I can think of quite a few positives... but no negatives

Well, if you're looking at it from a dimocrap perspective...the wall limits their ability to expand their voting base. The more poor and uneducated they can jam into the States, the better for them.

From a rational perspective, though...it makes complete sense. Really, it's the exact same rationale for why people have locks on their doors, have fences around their yards or have security systems on their homes/cars. That's just too much for some of these dumb fucks to grasp, though.

Btw, can someone explain something to me? Dims continue to tell us about how wonderful and fantastic the cultures are from where these people are immigrating. If it's so wonderful and awesome, then why the fuck are they looking to get out and move to the States?

 

[Willie99]

http://www.newfreethinkers.org/illegal_immigration_fact_sheet_2015

a liberal website provides the following information

120,000 illegals per year are entering the USA

we spend 113 billion dollars per year supporting illegal immigrants

they send between 50 billion to 120 billion dollars per year back to their homeland



the savings from stopping illegal immigration >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of building the wall

national security and crime rates will also improve, something not measured in dollars


sometimes positions are just too damn easy to defend, this is a classic

 

[TomGshotput]

do you know how much we spend supporting and educating and providing healthcare and jail cells to illegals?

Whatever the amount is, education reform and prison reform would be far more efficient at reducing those costs for everyone regardless of there legal status. Of course when it comes the government spending money very few Americans want efficiency in those area. By definition, everyone in a jail cell is either illegal or is being charged with being an illegal.

Also, and most importantly, the majority of illegal immigrants are now coming here overstaying their visas as opposed to crossing the boarder without any inspection.

 

[TomGshotput]

120,000 illegals per year are entering the USA

The most important question is how many of them would be stopped by a wall?

 

[Willie99]

I think a wall will discourage many, and it would certainly make things a whole lot easier to monitor, cameras & observation decks & motion detectors & maybe even some sort of alarm system should all be part of the deal

I think the fact that our border is porous emboldens many people that will otherwise choose to stay home

and I don't believe we'll completely shut down illegal immigration, I do believe we can curtail it greatly

 

[superbeets]

The most important question is how many of them would be stopped by a wall?

Depends how tall it is, and how long it is, and the level of manning.

 

[GasMan]

Whatever the amount is, education reform and prison reform would be far more efficient at reducing those costs for everyone regardless of there legal status. Of course when it comes the government spending money very few Americans want efficiency in those area. By definition, everyone in a jail cell is either illegal or is being charged with being an illegal.

Also, and most importantly, the majority of illegal immigrants are now coming here overstaying their visas as opposed to crossing the boarder without any inspection.

Education reform?

What the hell do you think it is the Dems have been doing the last 50 years.

How bout education reform NOT guided by liberal Democrats.

 

[TomGshotput]

I think a wall will discourage many, and it would certainly make things a whole lot easier to monitor, cameras & observation decks & motion detectors & maybe even some sort of alarm system should all be part of the deal

If Trump gets elected it should be built with electric voltage. It still won't stop the majority of illegal immigrants who are already coming here legally and passing right through observation check points on camera.

 

[TomGshotput]

Education reform?

What the hell do you think it is the Dems have been doing the last 50 years.

How bout education reform NOT guided by liberal Democrats.

Rand Paul was the only Republican candidate who talked about effective strategies that had any sort of substantial difference to Obama / Bush policy, like eliminating US Department of Education. How much support did he get? On the Democrat side, Jim Webb was by far the most reasonable. Did he ever get a single vote in the primaries? It's obvious the American people don't want any sort of action, or it wouldn't be Trump v Clinton