The problem was not Obama and it wont be Clinton. The problem is Congress. Until the Republicans learn to work again with the Democrats nothing will change. We had a bipartisan immigration bill that Congress would not even vote on. We have the ACA and all the republicans did was waste time again and again trying to abolish it with no plan of their own. Why couldn't they spend their time trying to work on improving it. They shut down government. The dumb ass tea party idiots in Congress are the real problem.
Looks to me like all replies are saying the same? This is tradition...... what difference does it make" to those who do not care? They just want their own special interest funded, whatever that may be
Everyone should take care of #1 but can't see how anyone could vote for more Lies? Hillary has taken care of #1 for 25 years as has DT and he is going to continue to take care of #1 but tell the truth! Your choice, I know my choice.
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Okay so lets all hide behind the Constitution which was written in 1787. Its now 2016. If you don't think we need some form of universal health care, if you don't think this county can come up with a healthcare system that would work, or some sort of reasonable gun laws, or some sort of immigration reform, or have a government that can work together again then this is why the country is in the shape it's in. It is time for the two parties to work together.
Holy shit, I cannot believe that was your response. HIDING behind the American Constitution? So Jeff C will be the one that determines which part of the Constitution we follow and which we do not? Wow.
I have been saying the SAME thing for more than 15 years....healthcare should be an open market situation!!! Why is it any different than say, car insurance? It should have NOTING to do with employment, that makes NO sense! (unless a private business decides they want to pay for it for their employees, but that should be up to them!)
There is the problem, "give into the Dem demands". Why can't they work together like they use to? Why don't they form a bipartisan group to come up with a better healthcare system, better gun laws and other issues. They had an immigration bill that was totally ignored by Congress, why couldn't they have tried to work something out instead of doing nothing?
People can live with bad conditions for a long time now though. Our system has gotten extremely good at keeping sick people alive for a long time.
Obviously HSA's a good idea so that people can pay for more of their own care, but you are still going to have a lot of people to foot the bill for.
Having a bad driving record and needing a medication that costs 7k a month or else you become a cripple are two entirely different things. The equivalent to the 2nd would be more like if you chose to always drive drunk and blindfolded, what would your insurance rate be?
It is a complex issue, I was discussing it today with someone else and here is what I wrote (not all the answers but a start)...
(in relation to food stamps only going towards healthy eating) Yeah, obviously lifestyle changes needed and corporate food lobby probably way too embedded into the economy at this point. Some of the companies that sell the worst shit are some of the most iconic (Pepsi, Coke, McD) These companies are America.
If you look at stuff like plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery or hair transplants, the costs for these have barely gone up the last 20-25 years as demand has greatly increased. Government is not involved in these fields and people pay out of pocket, it seems to make a world of difference.
Atleast tell people that healthcare isn't free and it is a real expense, more out of pocket payments, less 3rd party payments. When you get a flat tire and it costs $100 to fix, you don't use insurance to pay for that.
And lastly, this will never happen because we don't do anything grand anymore but I'd want some type of healthcare initiative. If you wanna go into medicine, nursing, research (I know a lot of this already paid), any type of field that includes providing care then we should subsidize the educational/training costs and get more workers to go into this field. Obviously subsidies on a larger scale are a clusterfuck, but something like this would probably have a very legitimate and tangible ROI to society.
Another good 1 (and we have it now but seems politicians try to limit it) is health savings accounts. But then you get the responsible people saving and the irresponsible people not saving and the first group is needed in insurance to pay for the second group to begin with. So gov't doesn't like this policy much, not much different than something like social security.
(in relation to food stamps only going towards healthy eating) Yeah, obviously lifestyle changes needed and corporate food lobby probably way too embedded into the economy at this point. Some of the companies that sell the worst shit are some of the most iconic (Pepsi, Coke, McD) These companies are America.
If you look at stuff like plastic surgery, lasik eye surgery or hair transplants, the costs for these have barely gone up the last 20-25 years as demand has greatly increased. Government is not involved in these fields and people pay out of pocket, it seems to make a world of difference.
Atleast tell people that healthcare isn't free and it is a real expense, more out of pocket payments, less 3rd party payments. When you get a flat tire and it costs $100 to fix, you don't use insurance to pay for that.
And lastly, this will never happen because we don't do anything grand anymore but I'd want some type of healthcare initiative. If you wanna go into medicine, nursing, research (I know a lot of this already paid), any type of field that includes providing care then we should subsidize the educational/training costs and get more workers to go into this field. Obviously subsidies on a larger scale are a clusterfuck, but something like this would probably have a very legitimate and tangible ROI to society.
Another good 1 (and we have it now but seems politicians try to limit it) is health savings accounts. But then you get the responsible people saving and the irresponsible people not saving and the first group is needed in insurance to pay for the second group to begin with. So gov't doesn't like this policy much, not much different than something like social security.
It seems none of us do, politicians included. Our parties no longer work together. Until the Dems and Reps start working together again no president is going to change things. It seems the only thing the two parties do is attack each other and its only getting worse. It won't happen in my life time but if it stays this way there will be a time in this country when its ruled by one party.
All these bills that have to be so multi-layered and touch on every little thing is a big problem. Everyone has to get their 2 cents in or else it goes nowhere. No carve-out left behind or else the bill is DOA.
I've seen some really good bills over the years not go anywhere because they just don't satisfy all of the requisite parties.
An example of this would be in the 2012 debates, both Obama and Romney agreed that the corporate tax rate should be lower in an age of emerging globalization. Almost every politician, business person and academic seems to agree this is the right thing to do. And yet it doesn't happen because no common sense legislation can just pass on its own.
I've seen some smaller bills that clearly make sense stall in committee for who knows what reason.
Must be 15 threads on this topic.
Take a walk over to the politics forum......Plenty of news on this topic.
Take a walk over to the politics forum......Plenty of news on this topic.
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