What NFL Extra Point change do you support?

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It's only 4%? I thought it was 10%?

4% equity on 1pt is nothing

I was just saying was all it would take is a 4% change in success rate to greatly change the game.


its not just 1 point.

All points are not equal.
You can't look at it like an NBA point

In the NFL you can't judge it like that.
 

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I think you are overrating how narrow the difference is between a 33 yard FG and a 20 yard FG

I'll look it up but we're likely talking like 90% accuracy vs 99% accuracy. At some point there would be a break even point where it would be better to go for 2 than kick a 33 yard FG but I'm not sure what that % is.

If FG attempts stay the same you are talking a very small difference though.
 

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Last year from between 30-35 was 95%

XP is 99%

So the value of an XP is now worth .95pts instead of .99pts

I don't think you will see much change in game theory over this besides from someone like C Kelly. The EV just doesn't change much and most coaches will play it conservative. This is a league where coaches don't go for it on 4th and 1 at the 45 yard line and you think they're gonna start going for 2 because XPs are 4% less of a gimme?
 

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Don't know what the number was last season "(maybe even higher) but 2 years ago there was only 5 missed attempted extra points in the entire season.

We are not talking about 99%. That's more like 99.8%

That's closer to 100 then it is 99.

And dropping all the way down from 99.8% or so down to 90% is huge .

That will change the game.

So you go from
missing 1 out of every 200 extra points
down to missing 1 out of 10

You don't think that's significant?
 

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Last year from between 30-35 was 95%

XP is 99%

So the value of an XP is now worth .95pts instead of .99pts

I don't think you will see much change in game theory over this besides from someone like C Kelly. The EV just doesn't change much and most coaches will play it conservative. This is a league where coaches don't go for it on 4th and 1 at the 45 yard line and you think they're gonna start going for 2 because XPs are 4% less of a gimme?

But once someone missed that extra point it changes the entire game for the rest of the game.

In football you can't give equal value to all points.
 

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1/22 it would be

so every 4 games you get a missed XP

Don't see it having a huge impact but I could be wrong. Haven't looked into it before clicking this thread

Keep in mind that 96% is based on the ball on the hashes. All Xps will be straight away.
 

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Just because I think this will change the game does not mean I'm against it.

I think it will make home field even more important.
 

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And kicker pay just went up
 

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Haha.
Saints have gone thru more Kickers then Cleveland has QBs
 

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I mean 1/22 XPs being missed is gonna create a few more bad beats and a few more suckouts but it isn't really something you're going to further analyze.

We're talking like .2pts a game
 

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I mean 1/22 XPs being missed is gonna create a few more bad beats and a few more suckouts but it isn't really something you're going to further analyze.

i dont think that's the affect it will have. I think its the number of 2 point conversions that will greatly increase, thus affecting the score
 

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i dont think that's the affect it will have. I think its the number of 2 point conversions that will greatly increase, thus affecting the score

Yeah I don't see that. The difference is really miniscule and most coaches aren't gonna risk the variance and just play it the same way as always.

Unless coaches just suddenly become far more risk/reward oriented overnight.
 

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i dont think that's the affect it will have. I think its the number of 2 point conversions that will greatly increase, thus affecting the score

Yes that's also part of it and it won't be just chip kelly
 

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In this league you really think coaches are gonna gear up to go for 2 more because an XP is 96% instead of 100%?

When the conditions are bad perhaps but not in regular conditions I don't think
 

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The difference in 1/22 vs 1/200 is huge.
Thats not counting the extra attempts at 2.
Once that first XP is missed that will probably cause the team that missed the 1 to go for 2 later on in the game to make up for it.
Thats more missed extra points.

And 1 point is almost = to 3 points in this case.

Late in a game you can say that 1 point is worth 4 points .


If a team is down 7 late and score a TD and miss the extra point that basically made all 6 points they scored meaningless .

So you can't assign equal value to every point in the NFL
 

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Yes that's also part of it and it won't be just chip kelly

Agreed, especially if it's from the 1 and not the 2. In Preseason, many teams will be trying out 2 Point Conversion specialists, rather than kick the EP. Tebow won't be the only 2 point specialist when the season starts, he'll just be the prototype.
 

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Yeah that is potentially huge that there is a 4% chance you can miss the XP compared to basically .2%, however, I don't see more teams going for 2.

We're talking .96 EP vs .99 EP going for 2. A microscopic edge that is gonna invite tons of criticism if it doesn't work. NFL coaches aren't inviting that type of scrutiny over something so small.
 

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Agreed, especially if it's from the 1 and not the 2. In Preseason, many teams will be trying out 2 Point Conversion specialists, rather than kick the EP. Tebow won't be the only 2 point specialist when the season starts, he'll just be the prototype.

From the 1 and not the 2? Is that rule being changed or something?
 

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Yeah that is potentially huge that there is a 4% chance you can miss the XP compared to basically .2%, however, I don't see more teams going for 2.

We're talking .96 EP vs .99 EP going for 2. A microscopic edge that is gonna invite tons of crticism if it doesn't work. NFL coaches aren't inviting that type of scrutiny over something so small.

I thought ESPN had numbers of .91 to .96 idk even what it was though.. lol

Regardless. coaches just don't trust kickers when they are cold, look at GB ... Plus any weather..

I hope it shakes up the XP, it doesn't have to be crazy but i hope it improves it
 

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