Joe #57 belongs in one of the other dozen anti-Muslim threads, not this one. We can argue all day about the composition of the refugees who most likely won't be coming here now anyway. But you can't state they are coming here to impose Sharia. You are making a huge leap by doing that. These people are fleeing Sharia. Nobody here in the US wants fucking Sharia. Nobody wants people hostile to America coming here, period. What we don't want is innocent people to be mass-murdered, regardless of how they worship. And what we need to find out is how our enemies really are trying to get here. To come to the US legally is just not practical for terrorists. It's already 18 months of rigorous ball-busting. If every Muslim was intent on killing us we'd all be dead already.
Yes I can and no I'm not.
Anywhere you have Muslims in numbers, you have Sharia. Creeping Sharia is a very real phenomenon and threat in the West which we haven't figured out how to deal with.
I'm not saying these specific refugees are coming here as some elaborate plan to impose Sharia, I am making the case preserving our Western values becomes incrementally more difficult as the Muslim population grows. That is a fact.
Their values are not our values. Sharia is incompatible with the Constitution. Small wonder Hussein rejects the Christian refugees and only wants to bring in more Muslims...he knows what I know.
Comparing these Syrian refugees to Jews who were fleeing Nazi persecution is at best, frighteningly naive, and at worst....well, just listen to the Kenyan:
You un-American Republicans hate widows and orphans, or something!
Lying deceitful piece of shit! :>(
Nearly impossible' to find jihadists among migrants, Greeks warn
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Hey Republicans,
Fuck the Kenyan, CAIR and bleeding heart gaystream media. Just stand up and call it what it is:
REFUGEE ROULETTE
http://news.yahoo.com/nearly-impossible-jihadists-among-migrants-greeks-warn-084048253.html
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FBI admits there's no way to screen all the Syrian refugees the Obama administration plans to accept into the US
- Agency director James Comey tells House Committee on Homeland Security that the coming influx of 10,000 Syrian refugees cannot be thoroughly screened
- Obama administration has said it would accept that many refugees because of the deteriorating security situation in Syria
- Comey tells committee that Syrians who are not already in the FBI's database cannot be checked
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Hey Republicans,
Fuck the Kenyan, CAIR and bleeding heart gaystream media. Just stand up and call it what it is:
REFUGEE ROULETTE
Not yet on youtube but this video shows why people here on visas are the real threat and not Syrian refugees:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/-nerdscreen--refugees-in-the-united-states-572056643818
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/-nerdscreen--refugees-in-the-united-states-572056643818
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Refugees have all the time in the world.
Visas waiver have 90 days to find safe house, money, weapons to carry out terror attack.
785K refugees since 9/11(Sept 2001) about 12 arrested or removed for terrorism. These are irrelevant stats, because ISIS started been an issue only since 2013. The idea of a global jihad to take over the world including the White House has been only since 2013. Prior Al Queda ( Bin Laden ) doctrine was only to force the West to leave the lands of Mohammed.
Past terrorism threats here have no relevance to the current threat ( "The US has never seen anything like ISIS before." Secretary Chuck Hagel )
Visas waiver have 90 days to find safe house, money, weapons to carry out terror attack.
785K refugees since 9/11(Sept 2001) about 12 arrested or removed for terrorism. These are irrelevant stats, because ISIS started been an issue only since 2013. The idea of a global jihad to take over the world including the White House has been only since 2013. Prior Al Queda ( Bin Laden ) doctrine was only to force the West to leave the lands of Mohammed.
Past terrorism threats here have no relevance to the current threat ( "The US has never seen anything like ISIS before." Secretary Chuck Hagel )
I really can't believe I survived the awful beating I took in this thread 
To be serious for a second gents, when I post an article or op-ed it does not necessasrily mean I agree with the writer's position. When I have a stance on an issue I don't think I'm mysterious about it. But many of the articles I post I do so because they are current issues of contention. So if you disagree with an article I post and want to rip it, fine. Rip the article though, not the guy who posted it.
I have recently read more pieces about the refugees that I'm going to share here. How do feel about the refugees? I feel sad for them. Ideally they would be resettled in their home nations if the world would get its collective act together and 1) kick the snot out of ISIS and 2) grab that fucker Assad by his earlobe and take him to the gallows. Ideally..... But I listen to people who know more than me. One of them is Chris Christie. If Chris Christie tells me the director of the FBI says, "We can't properly vet these refugees," well then, sorry folks but you're in limbo. So for now I am unfortunately against refugees from war torn Islamic lands coming into our country until we can be 100% sure they are not coming to wage jihad.
Now for some stories about those who have already arrived......
To be serious for a second gents, when I post an article or op-ed it does not necessasrily mean I agree with the writer's position. When I have a stance on an issue I don't think I'm mysterious about it. But many of the articles I post I do so because they are current issues of contention. So if you disagree with an article I post and want to rip it, fine. Rip the article though, not the guy who posted it.
I have recently read more pieces about the refugees that I'm going to share here. How do feel about the refugees? I feel sad for them. Ideally they would be resettled in their home nations if the world would get its collective act together and 1) kick the snot out of ISIS and 2) grab that fucker Assad by his earlobe and take him to the gallows. Ideally..... But I listen to people who know more than me. One of them is Chris Christie. If Chris Christie tells me the director of the FBI says, "We can't properly vet these refugees," well then, sorry folks but you're in limbo. So for now I am unfortunately against refugees from war torn Islamic lands coming into our country until we can be 100% sure they are not coming to wage jihad.
Now for some stories about those who have already arrived......
Syrian refugee watches, waits in Lancaster
Farhan Alqadri and part of his family were settled in Lancaster from Jordan, where they fled to escape the war that took their home in Syria. Son Ahmad, 21, still in Jordan, has to apply on his own to rejoin them. (MICHAEL MATZA / Staff)
By Michael Matza, Inquirer Staff Writer
LANCASTER - After a week of rising rhetoric against Syrian refugees and congressional action that could halt their resettlement, refugee Farhan Alqadri, 55, wants to be the Syrian who alters perceptions.
Just as any jihadi who hides in the flow of desperate refugees "spoils it for a million," he said in Arabic through an interpreter Friday, "I hope I can be the one person on the opposite side who changes millions of minds."
He arrived here in June, with his wife, Muna, and four of their nine children - a Muslim family fleeing violence, resettled in this city near Amish farms, by Church World Service, a philanthropic cooperative of Christian denominations. The other children, some of whom are married, live now in Europe and the Persian Gulf.
Choosing to leave Daraa, their hometown south of Damascus, was an agonizing decision.
"We had a good life," said Alqadri, who owned a house, two cars, an olive grove, and a shop selling sundries before the outbreak of Syria's civil war in 2011. All had to be abandoned.
For one dangerous year the family had tried to hold on amid the intensifying battles between Syria's army and the armed rebel groups opposed to the rule of President Bashar al-Assad.
"The fighters used to attack the army convoys," he said, "and the army would raid the villages, searching house-to-house . . . detaining people, bombing, shelling," dropping barrels of explosives from helicopter gunships.
Then, on a single day in 2012, 70 mortars hit the town, and three landed on Alqadri's house, he said, "so we had to flee." Thousands of others in the town ran for their lives, too, he said.
The family's only valid passport was in his name, he said. All the others had expired. So the family would have to leave through unofficial channels.
Traveling mostly on foot, with just one suitcase each, all but Alqadri took a day to walk to the border with Jordan, where millions of Syrians have sought refuge in camps. They waited for dark to cross and stifled fears that they could be shot.
Alqadri said he stayed behind to wrap up unspecified business and joined them in Jordan a month later. The family lived very briefly in a camp, then got an apartment in the Jordanian town of Irbid. They registered with the United Nations, which authenticates the status of refugees.
As a refugee in Jordan, Alqadri was not permitted to work. He said he stayed close to home fearing arrest if he ranged too far and wondering if he would see Syria again.
Now the notion of returning seems absurd.
"It is impossible because there is more than one government in my country," he said. "There is ISIS, al Nusra [al-Qaeda in Syria], the Free Syrian Army [made up of military defectors], the Syrian government, and they all will kill you. There is no safety."
Because his eldest son, Sami, 32, has a development disability, the family was considered especially vulnerable, which prioritized its refugee file, but still it took more than two years to process.
When the family started its application, Ahmad, a middle son, was 19. After he turned 21, he was no longer eligible to be resettled with the family as a dependent child. So he remains behind in Jordan and will have to apply on his own.
"My wife is so sad and depressed," said Alqadri. "She talks about going back to Jordan if she cannot bring her son here."
Including the Alqadris, there are three recently arrived Syrian refugee families in Lancaster. Sheila Mastropietro, head of the local Church World Service office of immigration and refugee resettlement, anticipates receiving four or five Syrian families in the coming year. They will join the 161 Syrian refugees resettled in Pennsylvania since the March 2011 start of the civil war.
Making his way in America, Alqadri has a $10.50-an-hour job cleaning machinery at an egg-packing plant, and a can-do attitude.
He said he was ready to take any job.
"We didn't come here to sleep," he said. "We came here to work. Even though I am not young anymore, I still want to improve my life. . . . We are here to be part of this country."
But the toxic atmosphere since the attacks in Paris, he said, had him and others wondering if America is about to withdraw its welcome mat.
"I know the American people. They really care for others," he said, citing the help his family has received in finding a rowhouse to rent and medical care, "but the politicians are really hurting the image of the American people."
He said he had received calls from some friends whose refugee applications were in process.
"They are fearing they will not be treated well" in the United States, he said. But he tells them the American people are welcoming, despite caustic comments from some elected officials.
"We are all against what happened in France. And we feel sad in our hearts for the ordinary people who suffered because of what happened," said Alqadri.
"We are here to contribute to this country. Not to harm this country. . . . We escaped war to live in peace," he said. "We hate the ones that are causing all the trouble, all the bloodshed, and all the violence. We don't want that."
Regarding the vetting, Alqadri said it was very thorough, with redundant interviews and background checks by the International Organization for Migration and the office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
For all refugees, security checks expire after 15 months, medical screenings after six months. If families are not resettled within those time frames, they have to start over.
Because his son Ahmad is the same age as military combatants, Alqadri knows he will get the strictest scrutiny, even though he is a civilian with nothing to hide.
Farhan Alqadri and part of his family were settled in Lancaster from Jordan, where they fled to escape the war that took their home in Syria. Son Ahmad, 21, still in Jordan, has to apply on his own to rejoin them. (MICHAEL MATZA / Staff)
By Michael Matza, Inquirer Staff Writer
LANCASTER - After a week of rising rhetoric against Syrian refugees and congressional action that could halt their resettlement, refugee Farhan Alqadri, 55, wants to be the Syrian who alters perceptions.
Just as any jihadi who hides in the flow of desperate refugees "spoils it for a million," he said in Arabic through an interpreter Friday, "I hope I can be the one person on the opposite side who changes millions of minds."
He arrived here in June, with his wife, Muna, and four of their nine children - a Muslim family fleeing violence, resettled in this city near Amish farms, by Church World Service, a philanthropic cooperative of Christian denominations. The other children, some of whom are married, live now in Europe and the Persian Gulf.
Choosing to leave Daraa, their hometown south of Damascus, was an agonizing decision.
"We had a good life," said Alqadri, who owned a house, two cars, an olive grove, and a shop selling sundries before the outbreak of Syria's civil war in 2011. All had to be abandoned.
For one dangerous year the family had tried to hold on amid the intensifying battles between Syria's army and the armed rebel groups opposed to the rule of President Bashar al-Assad.
"The fighters used to attack the army convoys," he said, "and the army would raid the villages, searching house-to-house . . . detaining people, bombing, shelling," dropping barrels of explosives from helicopter gunships.
Then, on a single day in 2012, 70 mortars hit the town, and three landed on Alqadri's house, he said, "so we had to flee." Thousands of others in the town ran for their lives, too, he said.
The family's only valid passport was in his name, he said. All the others had expired. So the family would have to leave through unofficial channels.
Traveling mostly on foot, with just one suitcase each, all but Alqadri took a day to walk to the border with Jordan, where millions of Syrians have sought refuge in camps. They waited for dark to cross and stifled fears that they could be shot.
Alqadri said he stayed behind to wrap up unspecified business and joined them in Jordan a month later. The family lived very briefly in a camp, then got an apartment in the Jordanian town of Irbid. They registered with the United Nations, which authenticates the status of refugees.
As a refugee in Jordan, Alqadri was not permitted to work. He said he stayed close to home fearing arrest if he ranged too far and wondering if he would see Syria again.
Now the notion of returning seems absurd.
"It is impossible because there is more than one government in my country," he said. "There is ISIS, al Nusra [al-Qaeda in Syria], the Free Syrian Army [made up of military defectors], the Syrian government, and they all will kill you. There is no safety."
Because his eldest son, Sami, 32, has a development disability, the family was considered especially vulnerable, which prioritized its refugee file, but still it took more than two years to process.
When the family started its application, Ahmad, a middle son, was 19. After he turned 21, he was no longer eligible to be resettled with the family as a dependent child. So he remains behind in Jordan and will have to apply on his own.
"My wife is so sad and depressed," said Alqadri. "She talks about going back to Jordan if she cannot bring her son here."
Including the Alqadris, there are three recently arrived Syrian refugee families in Lancaster. Sheila Mastropietro, head of the local Church World Service office of immigration and refugee resettlement, anticipates receiving four or five Syrian families in the coming year. They will join the 161 Syrian refugees resettled in Pennsylvania since the March 2011 start of the civil war.
Making his way in America, Alqadri has a $10.50-an-hour job cleaning machinery at an egg-packing plant, and a can-do attitude.
He said he was ready to take any job.
"We didn't come here to sleep," he said. "We came here to work. Even though I am not young anymore, I still want to improve my life. . . . We are here to be part of this country."
But the toxic atmosphere since the attacks in Paris, he said, had him and others wondering if America is about to withdraw its welcome mat.
"I know the American people. They really care for others," he said, citing the help his family has received in finding a rowhouse to rent and medical care, "but the politicians are really hurting the image of the American people."
He said he had received calls from some friends whose refugee applications were in process.
"They are fearing they will not be treated well" in the United States, he said. But he tells them the American people are welcoming, despite caustic comments from some elected officials.
"We are all against what happened in France. And we feel sad in our hearts for the ordinary people who suffered because of what happened," said Alqadri.
"We are here to contribute to this country. Not to harm this country. . . . We escaped war to live in peace," he said. "We hate the ones that are causing all the trouble, all the bloodshed, and all the violence. We don't want that."
Regarding the vetting, Alqadri said it was very thorough, with redundant interviews and background checks by the International Organization for Migration and the office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
For all refugees, security checks expire after 15 months, medical screenings after six months. If families are not resettled within those time frames, they have to start over.
Because his son Ahmad is the same age as military combatants, Alqadri knows he will get the strictest scrutiny, even though he is a civilian with nothing to hide.
Syrian refugee watches, waits in Lancaster
Farhan Alqadri and part of his family were settled in Lancaster from Jordan, where they fled to escape the war that took their home in Syria. Son Ahmad, 21, still in Jordan, has to apply on his own to rejoin them. (MICHAEL MATZA / Staff)
By Michael Matza, Inquirer Staff Writer
LANCASTER - After a week of rising rhetoric against Syrian refugees and congressional action that could halt their resettlement, refugee Farhan Alqadri, 55, wants to be the Syrian who alters perceptions.
Just as any jihadi who hides in the flow of desperate refugees "spoils it for a million," he said in Arabic through an interpreter Friday, "I hope I can be the one person on the opposite side who changes millions of minds."
He arrived here in June, with his wife, Muna, and four of their nine children - a Muslim family fleeing violence, resettled in this city near Amish farms, by Church World Service, a philanthropic cooperative of Christian denominations. The other children, some of whom are married, live now in Europe and the Persian Gulf.
Choosing to leave Daraa, their hometown south of Damascus, was an agonizing decision.
"We had a good life," said Alqadri, who owned a house, two cars, an olive grove, and a shop selling sundries before the outbreak of Syria's civil war in 2011. All had to be abandoned.
For one dangerous year the family had tried to hold on amid the intensifying battles between Syria's army and the armed rebel groups opposed to the rule of President Bashar al-Assad.
"The fighters used to attack the army convoys," he said, "and the army would raid the villages, searching house-to-house . . . detaining people, bombing, shelling," dropping barrels of explosives from helicopter gunships.
Then, on a single day in 2012, 70 mortars hit the town, and three landed on Alqadri's house, he said, "so we had to flee." Thousands of others in the town ran for their lives, too, he said.
The family's only valid passport was in his name, he said. All the others had expired. So the family would have to leave through unofficial channels.
Traveling mostly on foot, with just one suitcase each, all but Alqadri took a day to walk to the border with Jordan, where millions of Syrians have sought refuge in camps. They waited for dark to cross and stifled fears that they could be shot.
Alqadri said he stayed behind to wrap up unspecified business and joined them in Jordan a month later. The family lived very briefly in a camp, then got an apartment in the Jordanian town of Irbid. They registered with the United Nations, which authenticates the status of refugees.
As a refugee in Jordan, Alqadri was not permitted to work. He said he stayed close to home fearing arrest if he ranged too far and wondering if he would see Syria again.
Now the notion of returning seems absurd.
"It is impossible because there is more than one government in my country," he said. "There is ISIS, al Nusra [al-Qaeda in Syria], the Free Syrian Army [made up of military defectors], the Syrian government, and they all will kill you. There is no safety."
Because his eldest son, Sami, 32, has a development disability, the family was considered especially vulnerable, which prioritized its refugee file, but still it took more than two years to process.
When the family started its application, Ahmad, a middle son, was 19. After he turned 21, he was no longer eligible to be resettled with the family as a dependent child. So he remains behind in Jordan and will have to apply on his own.
"My wife is so sad and depressed," said Alqadri. "She talks about going back to Jordan if she cannot bring her son here."
Including the Alqadris, there are three recently arrived Syrian refugee families in Lancaster. Sheila Mastropietro, head of the local Church World Service office of immigration and refugee resettlement, anticipates receiving four or five Syrian families in the coming year. They will join the 161 Syrian refugees resettled in Pennsylvania since the March 2011 start of the civil war.
Making his way in America, Alqadri has a $10.50-an-hour job cleaning machinery at an egg-packing plant, and a can-do attitude.
He said he was ready to take any job.
"We didn't come here to sleep," he said. "We came here to work. Even though I am not young anymore, I still want to improve my life. . . . We are here to be part of this country."
But the toxic atmosphere since the attacks in Paris, he said, had him and others wondering if America is about to withdraw its welcome mat.
"I know the American people. They really care for others," he said, citing the help his family has received in finding a rowhouse to rent and medical care, "but the politicians are really hurting the image of the American people."
He said he had received calls from some friends whose refugee applications were in process.
"They are fearing they will not be treated well" in the United States, he said. But he tells them the American people are welcoming, despite caustic comments from some elected officials.
"We are all against what happened in France. And we feel sad in our hearts for the ordinary people who suffered because of what happened," said Alqadri.
"We are here to contribute to this country. Not to harm this country. . . . We escaped war to live in peace," he said. "We hate the ones that are causing all the trouble, all the bloodshed, and all the violence. We don't want that."
Regarding the vetting, Alqadri said it was very thorough, with redundant interviews and background checks by the International Organization for Migration and the office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
For all refugees, security checks expire after 15 months, medical screenings after six months. If families are not resettled within those time frames, they have to start over.
Because his son Ahmad is the same age as military combatants, Alqadri knows he will get the strictest scrutiny, even though he is a civilian with nothing to hide.
Its just bullshit. Its all lies. Muslims are allowed to lie if it is for the greater good of ISLAM.
Wake up. Their culture and values are the antithesis of ours.
It is not just them it is their future generations. Second aNd third generations of Muslim immigrants supposedly settled and assimilated are turning to Jihad. In the UK daughters, grand daughters are wearing head scarves, whereas their mothers never wore them. The buck does not stop with the first generation to move into a Country. A powder keg is formed for future generations. You have to think of long term.
This family is painting such a lovely picture of refugees, WHY, because they want the door to remain open to their fellows. They are not going to post articles of hate for the West, or articles on Sharia, or FGM, or honor killings, because they want to paint the picture of loving. Western culture lovers. Why because they want more in.
Keep Western cultures and values, Islamic values are the antithesis. Islam seeks to dominate and subjugate and to turn the host Country into an Islamic state.
It is all their in history.
Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand Of Spain defeated the last of the hundreds of years of Islamic subjugation of Spain and Spain celebrates and rejoices the event every year. The Patron Saint of Spain was the Moors slayer.
European Immigration made America. The Irish navies helped build America. Muslim immigration is an abomination and stuff it into your rectum. Muslim immigration, eventually destroys Western values and culture and as numbers increase subjugates the host nation.
Islamic values of FGM, Honor killings, arranged marriage, suppression of women, segregation of women, (even in election meetings in UK men sit separate from women, ), the forcing of dress codes, beard codes.
Islam is intolerant and does not deserve our tolerance.
The influence of Islam on Western values and culture is only encouraged by allowing more and more in. It is an invasion, a occupation without the need for a blitzkrieg.
Just don't think of the now and the present, think of what country you are leaving to your children, grandchildren, great grand children.
The Muslims in Palestine. Gaza, West Bank are NO different from the Muslim refugees entering the West. They are all ONE. Scott you can see what they do in the Middle East. You are bringing the Middle East to the West. You are trying to mix oil and water. Members of my family were part of the British forces in Mandate Palestine. Even though the Jews Armed gangs made their life hell, it was the Arabs and their filthy culture that they hated about that deployment. Members of the in laws family, fought for Scottish regiments in Egypt and Libya during second World war, against Germans and Italians, the memories are of hatred of the indigenous Arabs.
Why take the risk Scott.
You have the American dream, protect it for future generations. If it is not broken why try to fix it, why allow Islam to pour in. Is Islam going to make a greater American dream Scott. What can Islam possibly do for the American dream.
Look at Europe and see what happens as the population of Muslims increase. Is not Europe the vision of what will happen in America.
You have the American dream, protect it for future generations. If it is not broken why try to fix it, why allow Islam to pour in. Is Islam going to make a greater American dream Scott. What can Islam possibly do for the American dream.
Look at Europe and see what happens as the population of Muslims increase. Is not Europe the vision of what will happen in America.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
Looks like Christie is your guy Super:
Gov. Christie blasted "murderous, radical Islam" and spoke at length of the toll of Sept. 11 while bringing a national security focus to town-hall meetings Saturday in New Hampshire.
"This campaign changed eight days ago. It changed," Christie told a packed room at a municipal building in Stratham on Saturday morning, referring to the terror attacks in Paris. "When evil gets visited upon innocent people, the American people react."
Later Saturday, at a town-hall meeting at a bar in a bowling alley, Christie described learning that people he knew had been killed in the Sept. 11 attacks: a member of his parish and the father of his son's then-8-year-old best friend.
He also responded to President Obama, who last week accused Republicans opposed to accepting Syrian refugees of being "scared of widows and orphans." Christie had said he didn't support accepting any Syrian refugees, including child orphans.
"I'll tell you the widows and orphans that I know. The widows and orphans that I know personally are the widows and orphans of Sept. 11," Christie said at the bowling alley in Windham.
"It is an ugly thing day after day after day. The loss remains. The emptiness is never filled," said Christie, who became New Jersey's U.S. attorney in January 2002, a resumé he has used to play up a law-and-order presidential campaign message.
"Once you've seen it and lived it . . . the one thing I'll remember every day, is if we don't protect each other, no one else will," he said.
His stance on Syrian refugees drew opposition from a questioner at the Windham event, who said he disagreed that denying refugees was the best way to promote national security. He asked if Christie agreed he would be "preventing future Einsteins from entering the country," referring to Albert Einstein's leaving Nazi Germany.
"Jews were not looking to attack the United States and kill Americans," Christie said. That "doesn't mean every Syrian refugee is trying to kill Americans." He referred to FBI Director James Comey, who recently told Congress he didn't have "absolute assurance" that there was no risk associated with accepting refugees.
"If I cannot promise you, and you, and you, I'm not letting in a terrorist, I'm not letting someone in," Christie said, instead advocating for a no-fly zone in Syria.
Christie said a "broad coalition" was needed to fight ISIS and repeated his call for "regime change" in Iran, which he said was needed to bolster support with U.S. allies.
He faulted Democrats for declining to say "radical Islam," which, he said in Stratham, is "what we're fighting against. . . . Why can't we use that phrase?" He drew a distinction between practicing a religion "fervently, emotionally," and people who are violent and "seeking to impose their beliefs on us."
Christie accused Democrat Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, of having "put forward" a series of misguided foreign policies. He said her support for withdrawing troops from Iraq had "led to the growth of ISIS."
He also drew a contrast with Republican rivals - though not by name - saying that "now more than ever" the country needed a decision-maker with experience.
"This is not an election to send a message with your vote," Christie said.
Like other rivals with governing experience, Christie has struggled to gain traction in a race dominated by businessman Donald Trump. Christie's New Hampshire poll numbers have risen recently, though he remains in single digits, clustered in the middle of the pack.
Describing himself as the most scrutinized candidate - who had faced "the biggest, most liberal media market" - Christie tried to spin the George Washington Bridge scandal as an asset Saturday.
"You saw the media tried to kill me like they've not tried to kill anyone else in this race," Christie said in Stratham. The governor received intense media attention after the scandal over the lane closures broke in January 2014; federal trials for two former Christie allies - charged with carrying out a vendetta against a mayor who didn't endorse the governor - are scheduled for next year.
At the start of the first town-hall meeting, Christie mentioned his flight to Boston, which was delayed for five hours Friday from San Francisco. An airport spokesman said a male passenger was removed after taking pictures of flight attendants; other passengers were reportedly subjected to security checks before reboarding.
The incident stirred attention, with social-media speculation that Christie had been threatened or reported a threat. The governor's campaign said he was not threatened and didn't interact with the passenger.
Christie declined to answer a reporter's question about the flight on the way into the meeting but quipped to the crowd members that they may have "heard or read about my journey."
"That's not just a line. I'm really happy to be here," he said.
Gov. Christie blasted "murderous, radical Islam" and spoke at length of the toll of Sept. 11 while bringing a national security focus to town-hall meetings Saturday in New Hampshire.
"This campaign changed eight days ago. It changed," Christie told a packed room at a municipal building in Stratham on Saturday morning, referring to the terror attacks in Paris. "When evil gets visited upon innocent people, the American people react."
Later Saturday, at a town-hall meeting at a bar in a bowling alley, Christie described learning that people he knew had been killed in the Sept. 11 attacks: a member of his parish and the father of his son's then-8-year-old best friend.
He also responded to President Obama, who last week accused Republicans opposed to accepting Syrian refugees of being "scared of widows and orphans." Christie had said he didn't support accepting any Syrian refugees, including child orphans.
"I'll tell you the widows and orphans that I know. The widows and orphans that I know personally are the widows and orphans of Sept. 11," Christie said at the bowling alley in Windham.
"It is an ugly thing day after day after day. The loss remains. The emptiness is never filled," said Christie, who became New Jersey's U.S. attorney in January 2002, a resumé he has used to play up a law-and-order presidential campaign message.
"Once you've seen it and lived it . . . the one thing I'll remember every day, is if we don't protect each other, no one else will," he said.
His stance on Syrian refugees drew opposition from a questioner at the Windham event, who said he disagreed that denying refugees was the best way to promote national security. He asked if Christie agreed he would be "preventing future Einsteins from entering the country," referring to Albert Einstein's leaving Nazi Germany.
"Jews were not looking to attack the United States and kill Americans," Christie said. That "doesn't mean every Syrian refugee is trying to kill Americans." He referred to FBI Director James Comey, who recently told Congress he didn't have "absolute assurance" that there was no risk associated with accepting refugees.
"If I cannot promise you, and you, and you, I'm not letting in a terrorist, I'm not letting someone in," Christie said, instead advocating for a no-fly zone in Syria.
Christie said a "broad coalition" was needed to fight ISIS and repeated his call for "regime change" in Iran, which he said was needed to bolster support with U.S. allies.
He faulted Democrats for declining to say "radical Islam," which, he said in Stratham, is "what we're fighting against. . . . Why can't we use that phrase?" He drew a distinction between practicing a religion "fervently, emotionally," and people who are violent and "seeking to impose their beliefs on us."
Christie accused Democrat Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, of having "put forward" a series of misguided foreign policies. He said her support for withdrawing troops from Iraq had "led to the growth of ISIS."
He also drew a contrast with Republican rivals - though not by name - saying that "now more than ever" the country needed a decision-maker with experience.
"This is not an election to send a message with your vote," Christie said.
Like other rivals with governing experience, Christie has struggled to gain traction in a race dominated by businessman Donald Trump. Christie's New Hampshire poll numbers have risen recently, though he remains in single digits, clustered in the middle of the pack.
Describing himself as the most scrutinized candidate - who had faced "the biggest, most liberal media market" - Christie tried to spin the George Washington Bridge scandal as an asset Saturday.
"You saw the media tried to kill me like they've not tried to kill anyone else in this race," Christie said in Stratham. The governor received intense media attention after the scandal over the lane closures broke in January 2014; federal trials for two former Christie allies - charged with carrying out a vendetta against a mayor who didn't endorse the governor - are scheduled for next year.
At the start of the first town-hall meeting, Christie mentioned his flight to Boston, which was delayed for five hours Friday from San Francisco. An airport spokesman said a male passenger was removed after taking pictures of flight attendants; other passengers were reportedly subjected to security checks before reboarding.
The incident stirred attention, with social-media speculation that Christie had been threatened or reported a threat. The governor's campaign said he was not threatened and didn't interact with the passenger.
Christie declined to answer a reporter's question about the flight on the way into the meeting but quipped to the crowd members that they may have "heard or read about my journey."
"That's not just a line. I'm really happy to be here," he said.
To ALL Muslims:
Your phony prophet was a pedophile who murdered anyone who committed blasphemy against him. In the West we call that EVIL.
If you wish to live in our civilized, tolerant society, you must renounce your deviant fraud religion and all its antiquated, oppressive, subservient customs and 'laws' and pledge to live by OUR values and laws.
Anything short of that will result in your extradition once the West wakes up from its politically correct slumber and starts electing leaders with moral clarity and balls.
Signed,
The Future
Your phony prophet was a pedophile who murdered anyone who committed blasphemy against him. In the West we call that EVIL.
If you wish to live in our civilized, tolerant society, you must renounce your deviant fraud religion and all its antiquated, oppressive, subservient customs and 'laws' and pledge to live by OUR values and laws.
Anything short of that will result in your extradition once the West wakes up from its politically correct slumber and starts electing leaders with moral clarity and balls.
Signed,
The Future
The HMT Dunera: When Britain Deported German Jewish Refugees to Australia - Stephen Gabriel Rosenberg
In 1940 England, with Nazi Germany just across the English Channel, only 35 km. from Dover, European and German foreigners were all seen by Britain as potential spies and enemy agents. The British government ordered all adult German subjects to be rounded up and interned, even though the majority were German Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany who were implacable enemies of the Nazis.
The majority were sent to the Isle of Man, offshore to the west of Liverpool, where they could do little harm, but heavy suspicion fell on men of military age, from 18 to 65, who were seen as highly dangerous. They were sent to Australia. The HMS Dunera had originally been designed for 1,600 troops, but now was to be filled with 2,542 refugees, 70% of them Jewish. On board the ship, the internees were all very badly treated by their British army warders, who considered the internees to be Nazi spies. They searched and looted their personal luggage, and threw much of it overboard.
When the internees arrived in Australia, the government kept their arrival secret and sent them off to a prison camp at Hay, in New South Wales, 750 km. west of Sydney. The internees gradually made a somewhat civilized life for themselves, organized talks, lectures and seminars; many were scholars and professors, and they applied to emigrate to the U.S. and countries in South America.
It was later learned that the Dunera had been followed by a Nazi submarine. The U-boat was ready to torpedo what it thought was a British troopship, but then the U-boat crew saw the considerable amount of debris that had been thrown off the boat, and picked up some to inspect it. When they saw it contained much in the way of German letters and literature, they concluded that the military boat was carrying German POWs, and the U-boat commander decided to spare the ship. The author is a senior fellow at the W.F. Albright Institute of Archaeological Research in Jerusalem. (Jerusalem Post)
In 1940 England, with Nazi Germany just across the English Channel, only 35 km. from Dover, European and German foreigners were all seen by Britain as potential spies and enemy agents. The British government ordered all adult German subjects to be rounded up and interned, even though the majority were German Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany who were implacable enemies of the Nazis.
The majority were sent to the Isle of Man, offshore to the west of Liverpool, where they could do little harm, but heavy suspicion fell on men of military age, from 18 to 65, who were seen as highly dangerous. They were sent to Australia. The HMS Dunera had originally been designed for 1,600 troops, but now was to be filled with 2,542 refugees, 70% of them Jewish. On board the ship, the internees were all very badly treated by their British army warders, who considered the internees to be Nazi spies. They searched and looted their personal luggage, and threw much of it overboard.
When the internees arrived in Australia, the government kept their arrival secret and sent them off to a prison camp at Hay, in New South Wales, 750 km. west of Sydney. The internees gradually made a somewhat civilized life for themselves, organized talks, lectures and seminars; many were scholars and professors, and they applied to emigrate to the U.S. and countries in South America.
It was later learned that the Dunera had been followed by a Nazi submarine. The U-boat was ready to torpedo what it thought was a British troopship, but then the U-boat crew saw the considerable amount of debris that had been thrown off the boat, and picked up some to inspect it. When they saw it contained much in the way of German letters and literature, they concluded that the military boat was carrying German POWs, and the U-boat commander decided to spare the ship. The author is a senior fellow at the W.F. Albright Institute of Archaeological Research in Jerusalem. (Jerusalem Post)
Kindertransport: 'To my dying day, I will be grateful to this country'
Seventy-five years after the first evacuation to Britain of Jewish children from Nazi Europe – known as the Kindertransport – we hear from some of those rescued who made a new life here
'It was a response that other countries did not make.' Above: German-Jewish refugees arrive at Southampton in 1939 Photo: GETTY
By Lucy Ward
7:00AM BST 26 May 2013
The candles were lit for the Jewish festival of Hanukkah as 10-year-old Ruth Heber and her seven-year-old brother Harry left their family’s rented rooms in Vienna for the last time, almost 75 years ago. “Our father blessed us and we went to the station,” she remembers
.
“It was in the evening so the public would not know what was going on. My parents were not allowed on the platform. They said: 'Be a good girl and we will be writing and thinking of you and we will be coming very soon.’
”
Ruth, whose small suitcase contained only clothes and her beloved drawing pencils, kissed her parents and grandmother, and went with her brother and other children to board a train whose doors were sealed shut before it departed for the Hook of Holland.
Leaving Vienna’s Westbahnhof on December 18 1938, with soldiers patrolling the corridors, it was only the second train of what was to become known as the Kindertransport – the evacuation of nearly 10,000 mainly Jewish children to Britain from Nazi-occupied Europe.
In the months that followed, dozens more trains brought unaccompanied children, aged from three to 17, from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland until the eve of war in September 1939.
Seventy-five years on, this remarkable episode in Britain’s wartime history is being marked with what organisers say will be the “last big commemoration”. The “Kinder” (German for children) who journeyed here are mostly in their eighties, often frail, and their numbers are, inevitably, now much diminished. But next month, this special anniversary will nevertheless bring over 400 together for a reunion, featuring tea in the House of Lords with the Labour peer Alf Dubs (himself a Kinder refugee from Prague) and a reception at St James’s Palace hosted by Prince Charles.
“There is always a bitter-sweet element to these events,” says Michael Newman, director of the Association of Jewish Refugees (AJR), the body organising the commemoration and which represents Kindertransport in Britain. “It comes from a tragic history but it is an opportunity to be together.”
The rescue operation finds its origins in one of the most brutal waymarks on the road to war. Kristallnacht (“The night of broken glass”), on the night of November 9 1938, saw synagogues and Jewish businesses across Germany and parts of Austria systematically destroyed in a pogrom claiming the lives of at least 90 Jews, and marked a seismic shift in the Jewish community’s perception of its future.
Amid pressure from British Jewish groups and, importantly, from the Quakers, a Westminster debate on November 21 1938 led, amid some opposition, to a Bill allowing up to 10,000 refugee children to be temporarily admitted to Britain. A group of agencies, operating under the umbrella of the Movement for Care of Children from Germany, promised to find homes for the children, together with sponsorship so that there would be no burden on the public purse.
With permission granted, the rescue agencies acted fast. The call went out for host families, and links were made with contacts in Germany and Austria to arrange trains and draw up lists of children. In less than a fortnight, on December 1, the first Kindertransport left Vienna, each child carrying their small suitcase and identified by a manila label.
For Ruth Heber (now Jacobs), whose family had been forced to abandon their small draper’s shop in Innsbruck and move to Vienna after Germany annexed Austria in March 1938, the journey was yet another event that left her “completely and utterly bewildered”, she told me. “Our parents had put on a brave face and done their best to shield us. We just didn’t know what had happened to our lives.”
Crossing the border from Germany into Holland – the German government had refused to let the trains use the country’s own ports – Mrs Jacobs recalls “a jubilant hurrah” from the older children, aware that they had left persecution behind. Dutch women on the platform greeted the youngsters with smiles and passed milk and chocolate through the windows.
Erika Judge, born Erika Leiter in Vienna in 1925, also recalls the warmth of the Dutch welcome after her refugee train left Austria on May 14 1939. The 13-year-old had already witnessed the Anschluss – she and her schoolmates had been lined up to cheer the German army into Vienna, and had then slept on the floor of a rented room in the city’s Jewish ghetto after a Nazi soldier threw her and her parents out of their comfortable apartment near the Stadtpark. With her father, a maker of fine furniture, in a forced labour camp, her mother put her on lists of child refugees to go to Palestine or Britain, telling her she would take whichever came up first.
“It happened to be England,” recalls Mrs Judge, a petite, fine-boned woman sitting in her north London home amid shelves of books and photographs of her husband, daughter and grandson. “I had to queue up – first for a declaration that I didn’t owe any tax, then 10 hours for a medical. I was puny – I weighed only five-and-a-half stone when I got to England – and the doctor looked down at me and said: 'We won’t get you, but the English climate will.’”
German passport in hand – the document had added the name Sara to her own, as it did for all Jewish girls – she took the train, her teacher mother among parents now forced by the Gestapo to smile and wave on the platform as they bade farewell to their children, many for the last time. “Nobody cried... nobody,” she says.
At Aachen, soldiers searched their cases, but parents had learnt from stories of others who had unsuccessfully tried to smuggle out jewellery or other valuables. Erika’s case contained only clothes intended to do for two years, her schoolbooks, and a note from her mother in English, asking that her bright daughter be allowed to study at a Gymnasium – a grammar school. A small sewing box had been lost already, knocked out of the window by a friend pointing enthusiastically at the Lorelei rock on the Rhine.
Registered in Harwich with other refugee children, Erika travelled to Liverpool Street station in London, and the next day journeyed on alone to Camborne in Cornwall, where she spent much of the war moving between host families.
The girl from Vienna was shocked at the outdoor lavatory and gas lamps in the first home (where she shared a bed and bathwater with the family and was fed fish and chips every day); was deeply unhappy staying after that with a Wesleyan mother and step-daughter who occasionally slapped her; but adored the elderly lady who hosted her while she trained in legal book-keeping.
Children arriving at Harwich without a pre-arranged billet were sent to holding accommodation, including at nearby Dovercourt holiday camp. In the snowy 1938-9 winter, the camp was freezing, but there was heating in a central hall where the children ate, amusements were laid on, and there were efforts at schooling.
“None of us spoke a word of English,” recalls Mrs Jacobs, 85, widowed almost four years ago after 60 years of happy marriage. “There was a blackboard in the hall with the words of the song Underneath the Spreading Chestnut Tree to help us learn.”
While the children waited for host families to arrive and select them, local people funded a trip for the refugees to the cinema. “On each seat there was a bar of chocolate,” she adds. “To this day I think that was so wonderful.”
After a week, Ruth and her brother (the two refused to be separated) were taken by a well-off family in East Sussex, and were eventually reunited with their parents, who – like those of Erika Judge – managed to secure visas to travel to Britain as paid domestic staff. But the two Heber children nevertheless continued to move around host families and boarding schools, with Ruth’s excellent English eventually winning her a scholarship to a girls’ grammar school in Stroud.
Her host family there, the Whites, were poor but loving, and she is still in touch with them. “They opened their home to me, they treasured me and built up my confidence. It was a perfect life with an English family.”
Others arriving at Dovercourt were not so quickly chosen: 16-year-old Rolf Penzias, leaving with his younger brother Walter on the first transport from Munich on January 4 1939, remembers staying there at least six weeks because few wanted older boys. The young apprentice motor mechanic, whose training had been interrupted by the Nazis, moved first to a vicarage in the village of Frankby, on the Wirral, but after pleas from a local Jewish family that his religious education was being neglected, he moved to a boarding school for refugees in Liverpool.
There, and later in London, he worked and studied throughout the war, eventually qualifying as a mechanical engineer – his lifetime profession. “We had to do it the hard way, but the opportunities were there if you wanted them,” says Mr Penzias, now 90. “Most of us did quite well, some got to university. Very few fell by the wayside.”
The Kinder, indeed, have made a significant impact on their adopted country and beyond: four are Nobel prize-winners, and others have contributed to industry, education, the arts and politics. Lord Dubs, a former Labour MP, left Prague at six on transport organised by the English stockbroker Nicholas Winton (who has just celebrated his 104th birthday).
The Kindertransport, says Michael Newman of the AJR, was an exceptional event. “It was uniquely British. It was a response that other countries did not make... It is in the public discourse of what Britain did and part of our Holocaust history.”
This is not a simple story: it includes, Newman adds, the uncomfortable view that the Jewish community in Britain “did not do enough” to support the incoming refugees, while the Quaker role has been too long unsung. Moreover, he says, there has been tension around the perception that, compared with Nazi camp survivors, Kinder refugees did not suffer.
The stories of the Kinder, however, are hardly the stuff of fairy tale: while Erika, Ruth and Rolf all saw their parents again, the majority of the young refugees did not. Mrs Judge lost family members at Auschwitz, the grandmother Mrs Jacobs left behind in Vienna died in the same camp, and Rolf returned to Munich after the war to find that few of his schoolfriends had survived. While they did not understand the dangers their parents had hidden from them, they knew the reality of separation from their family and all that was familiar to them.
All the Kinder express nothing but thankfulness for Britain’s contribution. Holding her British identity card, with its picture of her 10-year-old self in a black velvet dress with a white satin collar, Ruth Jacobs says: “I have the greatest admiration for England and the English people. They were the only country that took us in.” Erika Judge is equally clear: “To my dying day, I will be grateful to this country.”
Seventy-five years after the first evacuation to Britain of Jewish children from Nazi Europe – known as the Kindertransport – we hear from some of those rescued who made a new life here
'It was a response that other countries did not make.' Above: German-Jewish refugees arrive at Southampton in 1939 Photo: GETTY
By Lucy Ward
7:00AM BST 26 May 2013
The candles were lit for the Jewish festival of Hanukkah as 10-year-old Ruth Heber and her seven-year-old brother Harry left their family’s rented rooms in Vienna for the last time, almost 75 years ago. “Our father blessed us and we went to the station,” she remembers
.
“It was in the evening so the public would not know what was going on. My parents were not allowed on the platform. They said: 'Be a good girl and we will be writing and thinking of you and we will be coming very soon.’
”
Ruth, whose small suitcase contained only clothes and her beloved drawing pencils, kissed her parents and grandmother, and went with her brother and other children to board a train whose doors were sealed shut before it departed for the Hook of Holland.
Leaving Vienna’s Westbahnhof on December 18 1938, with soldiers patrolling the corridors, it was only the second train of what was to become known as the Kindertransport – the evacuation of nearly 10,000 mainly Jewish children to Britain from Nazi-occupied Europe.
In the months that followed, dozens more trains brought unaccompanied children, aged from three to 17, from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland until the eve of war in September 1939.
Seventy-five years on, this remarkable episode in Britain’s wartime history is being marked with what organisers say will be the “last big commemoration”. The “Kinder” (German for children) who journeyed here are mostly in their eighties, often frail, and their numbers are, inevitably, now much diminished. But next month, this special anniversary will nevertheless bring over 400 together for a reunion, featuring tea in the House of Lords with the Labour peer Alf Dubs (himself a Kinder refugee from Prague) and a reception at St James’s Palace hosted by Prince Charles.
“There is always a bitter-sweet element to these events,” says Michael Newman, director of the Association of Jewish Refugees (AJR), the body organising the commemoration and which represents Kindertransport in Britain. “It comes from a tragic history but it is an opportunity to be together.”
The rescue operation finds its origins in one of the most brutal waymarks on the road to war. Kristallnacht (“The night of broken glass”), on the night of November 9 1938, saw synagogues and Jewish businesses across Germany and parts of Austria systematically destroyed in a pogrom claiming the lives of at least 90 Jews, and marked a seismic shift in the Jewish community’s perception of its future.
Amid pressure from British Jewish groups and, importantly, from the Quakers, a Westminster debate on November 21 1938 led, amid some opposition, to a Bill allowing up to 10,000 refugee children to be temporarily admitted to Britain. A group of agencies, operating under the umbrella of the Movement for Care of Children from Germany, promised to find homes for the children, together with sponsorship so that there would be no burden on the public purse.
With permission granted, the rescue agencies acted fast. The call went out for host families, and links were made with contacts in Germany and Austria to arrange trains and draw up lists of children. In less than a fortnight, on December 1, the first Kindertransport left Vienna, each child carrying their small suitcase and identified by a manila label.
For Ruth Heber (now Jacobs), whose family had been forced to abandon their small draper’s shop in Innsbruck and move to Vienna after Germany annexed Austria in March 1938, the journey was yet another event that left her “completely and utterly bewildered”, she told me. “Our parents had put on a brave face and done their best to shield us. We just didn’t know what had happened to our lives.”
Crossing the border from Germany into Holland – the German government had refused to let the trains use the country’s own ports – Mrs Jacobs recalls “a jubilant hurrah” from the older children, aware that they had left persecution behind. Dutch women on the platform greeted the youngsters with smiles and passed milk and chocolate through the windows.
Erika Judge, born Erika Leiter in Vienna in 1925, also recalls the warmth of the Dutch welcome after her refugee train left Austria on May 14 1939. The 13-year-old had already witnessed the Anschluss – she and her schoolmates had been lined up to cheer the German army into Vienna, and had then slept on the floor of a rented room in the city’s Jewish ghetto after a Nazi soldier threw her and her parents out of their comfortable apartment near the Stadtpark. With her father, a maker of fine furniture, in a forced labour camp, her mother put her on lists of child refugees to go to Palestine or Britain, telling her she would take whichever came up first.
“It happened to be England,” recalls Mrs Judge, a petite, fine-boned woman sitting in her north London home amid shelves of books and photographs of her husband, daughter and grandson. “I had to queue up – first for a declaration that I didn’t owe any tax, then 10 hours for a medical. I was puny – I weighed only five-and-a-half stone when I got to England – and the doctor looked down at me and said: 'We won’t get you, but the English climate will.’”
German passport in hand – the document had added the name Sara to her own, as it did for all Jewish girls – she took the train, her teacher mother among parents now forced by the Gestapo to smile and wave on the platform as they bade farewell to their children, many for the last time. “Nobody cried... nobody,” she says.
At Aachen, soldiers searched their cases, but parents had learnt from stories of others who had unsuccessfully tried to smuggle out jewellery or other valuables. Erika’s case contained only clothes intended to do for two years, her schoolbooks, and a note from her mother in English, asking that her bright daughter be allowed to study at a Gymnasium – a grammar school. A small sewing box had been lost already, knocked out of the window by a friend pointing enthusiastically at the Lorelei rock on the Rhine.
Registered in Harwich with other refugee children, Erika travelled to Liverpool Street station in London, and the next day journeyed on alone to Camborne in Cornwall, where she spent much of the war moving between host families.
The girl from Vienna was shocked at the outdoor lavatory and gas lamps in the first home (where she shared a bed and bathwater with the family and was fed fish and chips every day); was deeply unhappy staying after that with a Wesleyan mother and step-daughter who occasionally slapped her; but adored the elderly lady who hosted her while she trained in legal book-keeping.
Children arriving at Harwich without a pre-arranged billet were sent to holding accommodation, including at nearby Dovercourt holiday camp. In the snowy 1938-9 winter, the camp was freezing, but there was heating in a central hall where the children ate, amusements were laid on, and there were efforts at schooling.
“None of us spoke a word of English,” recalls Mrs Jacobs, 85, widowed almost four years ago after 60 years of happy marriage. “There was a blackboard in the hall with the words of the song Underneath the Spreading Chestnut Tree to help us learn.”
While the children waited for host families to arrive and select them, local people funded a trip for the refugees to the cinema. “On each seat there was a bar of chocolate,” she adds. “To this day I think that was so wonderful.”
After a week, Ruth and her brother (the two refused to be separated) were taken by a well-off family in East Sussex, and were eventually reunited with their parents, who – like those of Erika Judge – managed to secure visas to travel to Britain as paid domestic staff. But the two Heber children nevertheless continued to move around host families and boarding schools, with Ruth’s excellent English eventually winning her a scholarship to a girls’ grammar school in Stroud.
Her host family there, the Whites, were poor but loving, and she is still in touch with them. “They opened their home to me, they treasured me and built up my confidence. It was a perfect life with an English family.”
Others arriving at Dovercourt were not so quickly chosen: 16-year-old Rolf Penzias, leaving with his younger brother Walter on the first transport from Munich on January 4 1939, remembers staying there at least six weeks because few wanted older boys. The young apprentice motor mechanic, whose training had been interrupted by the Nazis, moved first to a vicarage in the village of Frankby, on the Wirral, but after pleas from a local Jewish family that his religious education was being neglected, he moved to a boarding school for refugees in Liverpool.
There, and later in London, he worked and studied throughout the war, eventually qualifying as a mechanical engineer – his lifetime profession. “We had to do it the hard way, but the opportunities were there if you wanted them,” says Mr Penzias, now 90. “Most of us did quite well, some got to university. Very few fell by the wayside.”
The Kinder, indeed, have made a significant impact on their adopted country and beyond: four are Nobel prize-winners, and others have contributed to industry, education, the arts and politics. Lord Dubs, a former Labour MP, left Prague at six on transport organised by the English stockbroker Nicholas Winton (who has just celebrated his 104th birthday).
The Kindertransport, says Michael Newman of the AJR, was an exceptional event. “It was uniquely British. It was a response that other countries did not make... It is in the public discourse of what Britain did and part of our Holocaust history.”
This is not a simple story: it includes, Newman adds, the uncomfortable view that the Jewish community in Britain “did not do enough” to support the incoming refugees, while the Quaker role has been too long unsung. Moreover, he says, there has been tension around the perception that, compared with Nazi camp survivors, Kinder refugees did not suffer.
The stories of the Kinder, however, are hardly the stuff of fairy tale: while Erika, Ruth and Rolf all saw their parents again, the majority of the young refugees did not. Mrs Judge lost family members at Auschwitz, the grandmother Mrs Jacobs left behind in Vienna died in the same camp, and Rolf returned to Munich after the war to find that few of his schoolfriends had survived. While they did not understand the dangers their parents had hidden from them, they knew the reality of separation from their family and all that was familiar to them.
All the Kinder express nothing but thankfulness for Britain’s contribution. Holding her British identity card, with its picture of her 10-year-old self in a black velvet dress with a white satin collar, Ruth Jacobs says: “I have the greatest admiration for England and the English people. They were the only country that took us in.” Erika Judge is equally clear: “To my dying day, I will be grateful to this country.”
For information of the Kindertransport, visit ajr.org.uk
Passport issued to Gertrud Gerda Levy, who left Germany in August 1939 on a Children's Transport (Kindertransport) to Great Britain. Berlin, Germany, August 23, 1939.
Passport issued to Gertrud Gerda Levy, who left Germany in August 1939 on a Children's Transport (Kindertransport) to Great Britain. Berlin, Germany, August 23, 1939.
— US Holocaust Memorial Museum
Refugee girl, part of a Children's Transport (Kindertransport), shortly after arrival in Harwich. Great Britain, December 2, 1938. More
Refugee girl, part of a Children's Transport (Kindertransport), shortly after arrival in Harwich. Great Britain, December 2, 1938. More
