We are at defcon 3

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Trump supporters love America and want to defend its liberties. It has become apparent the last few weeks that our government is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. The media is brain washing people. Where is the truth anymore? Why dont Americans want to stand up to this corruption. Somebody needs to have some checks and balance for the common folk.

Telling people that the elections are rigged is extremely dangerous. Free and fair elections are the basis of democracy itself. He has absolutely zero evidence to back up his claim.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/18/498297287/5-reasons-and-then-some-not-to-worry-about-a-rigged-election

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DANIELLE KURTZLEBEN
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Voters wait in line to cast their ballot in Arizona's presidential primary election in Gilbert, Ariz., in March.


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Donald Trump is warning that the election will be rigged. He has precisely zero evidence to back up that claim. But he has a remarkably receptive audience.
Around 30 percent of Americans have "little or no confidence" that votes will be counted accurately — and Trump's voters are far less confident about that than Clinton's.
[h=3]ELECTIONS [/h][h=3]Dark Talk Of A Rigged Election Signals New Emphasis For Trump Campaign[/h]


That means that potentially millions of Americans will turn out to vote on Nov. 8, despite apparently believing their votes may not count at all. But to believe the election will be "rigged" is to believe that any number of improbable things will happen.
Here's a handful of reasons not to worry about any "rigging":
1. The election is decentralized
Yes, election-rigging worked on Scandal, when a super-secret cabal of five people (including the first lady AND the White House chief of staff) flipped the election by fiddling with a single voting machine in Ohio.
But then, Campaign 2016 is not a Shonda Rhimes production. Which is to say: Rigging the election would be much, much harder than this. For one, there are a few options of where to try doing that voting-machine fiddling. Where would you begin? Ohio? Florida? Iowa? Arizona?
[h=3]THE TWO-WAY [/h][h=3]After Attack On N.C. GOP Office, Politicians Decry 'Attack On Our Democracy'[/h]


"Conceivably one could focus on the few states that factor into the Electoral College," Walter Mebane, a political scientist who focuses on voter fraud at the University of Michigan, told NPR in August. "And maybe that turns into a few hundred or a few thousand precincts."
And that would be difficult to do because — let's repeat this again — elections are not federally run. States run them themselves. Trying to twist the results in a bunch of different precincts run by different authorities would be monstrously difficult. And even if one could somehow pull it off, then there's the problem of people's big mouths.
"So, say, 400 precincts in a big conspiracy, and no one will know?" Mebane added. "That's not gonna happen."
2. State officials are on guard
Secretaries of state are charged with administering elections in each state. And on Monday, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican, insisted that rigging won't happen.
"First of all, I can reassure Donald Trump: I am in charge of elections in Ohio, and they're not going to be rigged. I'll make sure of that," he told CNN. "Our institutions, like our election system, is one of the bedrocks of American democracy. We should not question it or the legitimacy of it. It works very well. In places like Ohio, we make it easy to vote and hard to cheat."
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And he's no enemy of Trump — Husted, by the way, said later Monday that he will vote for the Republican nominee.
Multiple other secretaries of state have likewise asserted that the elections in their states will not be rigged.
In addition, considering that the cries of election rigging are overwhelmingly coming from the right, there's another reason to be skeptical, as the AP's Nick Riccardi pointed out: Many of the closest states — Ohio, Iowa, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Alaska, Georgia — have Republican governors. That means the rigging would have to take place under Republican administrations — people who would, theoretically, have more reason to want Trump rather than Clinton to win.
3. Clinton is already leading by a lot
With a really close race, there could potentially be more of an argument that "rigging" the election would be possible (with irregularities in particular counties or precincts, which would be challenged and subject to recounts and oversight and courts weighing in).
But the way things look right now, that doesn't seem likely to happen.
[h=3]POLITICS [/h][h=3]Watch: VP Candidate Tim Kaine Delivers Full Speech In Spanish[/h]


"If the polls in November look like they do now, then I don't see much of an issue," Vanderbilt University political science professor Marc Hetherington told NPR in August. "No one will find credible charges of election fraud if it looks like a blowout in advance."
At the time, Clinton was far ahead of Trump — she had an 83 percent chance of winning to his 17, according to FiveThirtyEight. Now, it's looking slightly better for Clinton — 88 percent chance to his 12.
It's true that some states will be close. But if Clinton is far enough ahead in enough states — which is looking increasingly likely — then it wouldn't be necessary to rig the election. (Or you'd have to believe that many polls in many states are rigged, which isn't happening.)
4. Election fraud is rare (and it's not quite "rigging," either)
Multiple analyses have found the problem of voter fraud to be sparse.
According to Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt's comprehensive analysis, there were only 31 incidents of the type of voter fraud that could have been prevented by voter ID laws — that is, voter impersonation — from 2000 through 2014. Another analysis from News21 looked into 2,068 allegations of election fraud and found only 10 cases of impersonation.
[h=3]ELECTIONS [/h][h=3]Election Law Expert: Rigged Election 'Extraordinarily Unlikely'[/h]


And after analyzing multiple studies, the Government Accountability Office said it found "few instances of in-person voter fraud" (though it also acknowledged that in-person voter fraud is difficult to count accurately). So it appears that in-person voter fraud on the scale that it currently happens would have very little chance of swaying the election.
Still, Trump and Pence have told their supporters to head to the polls to make sure people are voting fairly on Election Day. But even then, they could easily miss some cases of fraud, because fraud via absentee ballots is "unfortunately quite real," as Levitt told The Washington Postin 2014.
Furthermore, as election lawyer Chris Ashby pointed out on CNN Monday afternoon (after an epic tweetstorm over the weekend), individual instances of voter fraud aren't exactly "rigging" anyway. This isn't just semantics — yes, voter fraud is a bad thing. However, calling an election "rigged" implies a systematic, coordinated effort to cause one candidate to win.
One more point here is that voter ID laws are the weapon of choice, particularly for politicians on the right, for fighting voter fraud. However, there's evidence that voter ID laws — which are put in place to fight voter fraud — end up swinging elections themselves.
5 (and 6 and 7 and 8 ...). Read Chris Ashby's latest post
We'd be entirely remiss if we didn't point to Ashby's excellent Medium post spelling out a few more reasons to be skeptical of "rigging" allegations. For example:
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— elections are held in public places and staffed by private citizens;
— party officials and lawyers are at the ready to challenge if needed;
— voting machines have systems in place to prevent fraud — for example, they are "equipped with multiple interconnected counters that make it impossible to add or remove votes secretly" (sorry, Olivia Pope); and ...
— representatives of both candidates and parties observe vote-counting.
And on.
So if someone tells you the election is rigged, it's just not true.

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[Albatross]

Brainwashing the American public through a corrupt media is more dangerous.....imo.

 

[919]

Brainwashing the American public through a corrupt media is more dangerous.....imo.

How exactly is the media "brainwashing" the public? Which stories are you talking about?

 

[tatehill2000]

919. You are an idiot to say the words... "there is no proof so he is wrong"

Every American NOW knows thanks to wiki. All of the riots and assaults werected orchestrated by hilary, there was no proof before. But we all knew it was her..

Every American knows 100s of thousands of illegals VOTE ILLEGALLY in California and Virginia.. we don't need Proof to know this type of corruption exists..

Your angle is poor 919

 

[919]

919. You are an idiot to say the words... "there is no proof so he is wrong"

Every American NOW knows thanks to wiki. All of the riots and assaults werected orchestrated by hilary, there was no proof before. But we all knew it was her..

Every American knows 100s of thousands of illegals VOTE ILLEGALLY in California and Virginia.. we don't need Proof to know this type of corruption exists..

Your angle is poor 919

What riots and assaults were orcastrated by Hillary Clinton and where in the leaked emails is that proven???

I'm an idiot to expect someone to be able to prove allegations that are being refuted by just about everyone, including republicans?

Hundreds of thousands of illegals vote in California and Va??? LOL

Have you been sniffing too much of the perm solution?

 

[tatehill2000]

919... your repeating a proven false narrative.. your losing credibility by the keystroke

 

[ML Dog]

Albatross said:

Brainwashing the American public through a corrupt media is more dangerous.....imo.

As Is having a State Dept. Head with a Private Communication Channel over which they are conducting the country's business which included, unfortunately enough, accepting money from Middle Eastern Kings.

Dangerous also of course is having a Mulsim-born President at the very least "Rattling Sabre" at Russia and SubHuman Iran just prior to his departure day if not intending fully to get US engaged Militarily with these, before he has to GTFO.

Most Dangerous of all of course: Having the Government that we do while chained to millions of Anchor-like "Americans" who are deathly afraid of that Government so will absolutely do nothing to Stand against the corruption.

919 though, like all Liberals, will keep parroting only the dangers that Donald Trump presents.

People like 919 are gonna lead this country straight into The Abyss.

They will be the reason that History speaks of Us as the most naive, the most "played" Generation.


Guesser is a Schoolteacher. Who knew?

Here is an absolutely fascinating news report on what The Guesser is teaching the kids cursed to be within the district that forces them to attend the school The Guesser "teaches: at.....shocking stuff, this.....we are in deep deep doo-doo here, deep deep doo-doo indeed...

 

[919]

919... your repeating a proven false narrative.. your losing credibility by the keystroke

Obviously you have no response to my last question

 

[JohnnyMac]

All of the posters who say the media is biased: From what sources do you receive your information?

Please list 5 "unbiased" sources I should trust.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Telling people that the elections are rigged is extremely dangerous. Free and fair elections are the basis of democracy itself. He has absolutely zero evidence to back up his claim.

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Lots of evidence to back up the claim. Open your eyes.

no photo ID = voter fraud

 

[busterhyman]

All of the posters who say the media is biased: From what sources do you receive your information?

Please list 5 "unbiased" sources I should trust.

''unbiased sources''- that's funny

 

[SheriffJoe]

So word on the street is that the desperate Clinton smear machine will attack Assange as a pedophile - as if this magically invalidates the Wikileaks documents. face)(*^%

The crooked Clintons should really be careful with throwing that word around... they really don't want to "go there"

 

[Albatross]

How exactly is the media "brainwashing" the public? Which stories are you talking about?

They are using their power to tilt the election in favor of a certain party. The leaked emails of collaboration with the DNC proves that. The stuff they spend most of their time talking about is petty stuff to smear Trump. Sure he isnt a polished speaker when it comes to politics, but they consistently wont shut up about the small fries. All media will somewhat admit Hillary is corrupt, but they fail the American public by not reporting the truth. That is brainwashing people. Trump has many flaws, but the American public isnt getting a non bias story told to them. If they want to hammer Trump thats fine, but they also have plenty of red meat to hammer Hillary on. She is getting a free pass due Trump wanting to bust up the establishment. Its not that hard to see. Every true American should be disappointed with how the media has lied to them. You have the two worst candidates we have ever seen and it should be reported that way.

 

[Albatross]

All of the posters who say the media is biased: From what sources do you receive your information?

Please list 5 "unbiased" sources I should trust.

I have been trying to watch OAN. Its a low buget organization but they report the news.

 

[ML Dog]

Sherriff JOE: The crooked Clintons should really be careful with throwing that word around... they really don't want to "go there"

You got that right. Them dumb shits take this there and this could get, ummmm....this could get a thing that would make all prior "nastiness" seem like nothing, by comparison.

I really hope they aren't that stupid and reckless cuz others have tried, to deal with Assange in that manner and were The Clinton machine to just suddenly produce out of Nowhere, at this time, evidence extremely competent others couldn't find.....they're just gonna potentially unleash a Beast.

They risk the same as has been said about Trump's denial at that debate motivating women to come forward. They "go there", with what you describe and this could very well motivate some to come forward with "a few more new details" about Bubba's deal.

I cannot imagine that Bubba is gonna let them do this. Insanity.

 

[919]

They are using their power to tilt the election in favor of a certain party. The leaked emails of collaboration with the DNC proves that. The stuff they spend most of their time talking about is petty stuff to smear Trump. Sure he isnt a polished speaker when it comes to politics, but they consistently wont shut up about the small fries. All media will somewhat admit Hillary is corrupt, but they fail the American public by not reporting the truth. That is brainwashing people. Trump has many flaws, but the American public isnt getting a non bias story told to them. If they want to hammer Trump thats fine, but they also have plenty of red meat to hammer Hillary on. She is getting a free pass due Trump wanting to bust up the establishment. Its not that hard to see. Every true American should be disappointed with how the media has lied to them. You have the two worst candidates we have ever seen and it should be reported that way.

What exactly is Hillary getting a free pass on? I've read plenty of damning articles.

 

[statman03]

treason....,...destroying evidence.......mishandling classified information........obstruction of justice.......perjury.......selling government access

 

[The Guesser]

treason....,...destroying evidence.......mishandling classified information........obstruction of justice.......perjury.......selling government access

All of which have been reported about ad nauseam by all media outlets. Of course, since the alt right didn't get the results they wanted from the reporting, and the investigations of all those topics, they come up with the warped view that they were never reported on or spoken about.

 

[Albatross]

All of which have been reported about ad nauseam by all media outlets. Of course, since the alt right didn't get the results they wanted from the reporting, and the investigations of all those topics, they come up with the warped view that they were never reported on or spoken about.

This is a lie. Go back the last 2 weeks since all this new corruption facts have started coming out and get the fact checker on how much time the msm has played it.

I think its something like every 25 minutes of trump woman talk = 56 seconds of hillary corruption talk.

 

[Albatross]

And I was watching CNN last night. All these emails and voter fraud by the DNC has started to finally get a little play. The humorous part of course is the spin. They discuss it but automatically layout the groundwork that it hasnt been proved yet......but they had no problem discussing the Trump women phonies, in which they all have been debunked, like they were proven in a court of law.

This is the media bias that is brainwashing the common folk. Just report the facts.