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I was very sad when I read the story in yesterday's newspaper about a 15 year old Canadian Boy who has been held in CUBA for the last 2 years without the right to see a lawyer or his Family.
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The boy is now 17, is a Canadien Citizen & has been held like an animal for over 2 years now...

'Land of the Free & home of the Brave' doesnt apply when you are in CUBA I guess....I feel =
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Perhaps he was found in a terrorist training camp... at 15 years old though, do you think he had any choice in the matter?

HOW ANY GOVERNEMT CAN HOLD A CHILD FOR OVER 2 YEARS WITH NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER SHOCKS ME TO DEATH... A CANADIAN ASWELL???? ARE WE NOT BROTHERS?

AND YOU AMERICANS ARE TRYING TO TEACH THE IRAQI's HOW TO BE CIVILISED? LOOK IN THE FUC KING MIRROR...

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[This message was edited by SportSavant on July 05, 2004 at 02:40 PM.]
 

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This is precisely what happens when sub-intellectual rednecks help a genocidal baffoon steal the election.
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For what it's worth, and it's small consolation I know, the US Supreme Court has ordered that all Guatanamo prisoners to be given the same rights as domestic prisoners. They will receive legal counsel and trials now. Too bad our guy wasn't a Saudi, tho ... we might've had him home in time to start grade eleven in the fall.
 

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Patriot... What more do you need to know?

FACT: Boy was 15 when captured by USA.

FACT: Boy is a Canadian Citizen.

FACT: Boy has not seen his family or a Lawyer for that Matter in 2 years.

What the hell else is important? Even if this Boy had killed 5 soldiers in Afghanistan (which he didnt) would this still be acceptable?

give me some time I will find you 'official' articles on this matter.
 

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Detainee's lawyer to press U.S.

Hot on heels of court ruling, counsel seeks speedy access to Canadian held in Cuba

By ESTANISLAO OZIEWICZ
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - Page A17

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The lawyer for Omar Khadr, the last Canadian being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, intends to press for immediate access to his client on the heels of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that terrorism suspects have a legal right to question their detention.

"I want to see my client. I want to find out how he is being treated. I'll also be asking the American government to provide me with any and all documentation they have relied upon to justify his incarceration," Edmonton-based lawyer Dennis Edney said in an interview yesterday.

The Foreign Affairs Department said it welcomes Monday's U.S. ruling and might consider intervening on Mr. Khadr's behalf if his lawyer launches a judicial review of his imprisonment. But Mr. Edney reiterated previous complaints that the Canadian government has consistently turned aside his pleas for help, saying he has no confidence that Ottawa is willing to take up the challenge now.

"Here we have a Canadian citizen, facing the death penalty, and what have they done to this point in time? Absolutely nothing. . . . The Canadian government has been absolutely silent about the treatment of this young boy," he said.

Mr. Edney's client is a 17-year-old Canadian accused of, but not charged with, killing an American soldier in Afghanistan when he was 15. Together with hundreds of other detainees whom Washington has labelled "enemy combatants," Mr. Khadr has been held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay for almost two years.

Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that "enemy combatants" must have recourse to challenge their detention before a judge or a neutral court. The ruling effectively undermines the assertion by President George W. Bush's administration that such detainees have no right to protection under the Geneva Conventions and can be held indefinitely without access to lawyers.

However, it remains unclear what legal route lawyers and family members must take to win the detainees' release or to effect major changes in the conditions of their confinement. Nor is it clear how long the process may take.

As if to undercut the ruling, the U.S. military announced yesterday that it has formed a five-member tribunal to try three terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo.

The three charged are Ali Hamza Ahmed Sulayman al-Bahlul of Yemen, Ibrahim Ahmed Mahmoud al-Qosi of Sudan and David Hicks of Australia. The three are charged with conspiring to commit war crimes. Mr. Hicks also is charged with attempted murder and supporting the enemy.

Mr. Edney, who says he is acting for Mr. Khadr through his grandmother, Fatima Elsamnah, won intervenor status in the U.S. Supreme Court hearing and argued that Washington is not only flouting the Geneva Conventions, but also the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child and principles consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Mr. Khadr is the only Canadian citizen currently at Guantanamo, and one of just a handful of juveniles among the nearly 600 remaining prisoners. He is the younger brother of Abdurahman Khadr, who was released last year although he admitted to attending an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in 1998.

Mr. Edney said he decided to act on behalf of Omar because Ottawa has refused to do so. Foreign Affairs has said it decided not to intervene in the U.S. court case because it decided the case dealt not with universal human rights but with the division of powers under the U.S. Constitution.

In contrast to Canada, countries such as Britain, France and Australia, and some in the Middle East, have all publicly insisted that any of their citizens held at Guantanamo be released or afforded due process under international law. Yesterday, Stockholm said it is considering providing legal aid to a detained Swede.

Mr. Edney said it took Foreign Minister Bill Graham seven months to reply to his letters asking Ottawa for help. Canadian officials have visited Mr. Khadr, but Mr. Graham refused to give his lawyer any information about his health or treatment in detention.

"He wrote to me and said, 'By now, you'll understand that we chose not to participate in the challenge before the U.S. Supreme Court because it was an issue of jurisdiction.' "

Rodney Moore, a spokesman for Foreign Affairs, said yesterday that Ottawa is concerned about Mr. Khadr's detention and continues to discuss his treatment with Washington, "including his entitlement to due process."
 

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looks like he is charged with killing a soldier....

still no excuse for a child not being able to see a lawyer for 2 years
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Lawyers Sue for Guantanamo Detainees

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By IAN JAMES, Associated Press Writer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Lawyers have filed suit demanding the U.S. government justify its detention of nine foreign terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.


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The challenges, filed Friday in the U.S. District Court in Washington, are the first since the Supreme Court's ruling this week that the prisoners may use American courts to contest their detentions.


"This is the beginning of trying to enforce precisely what the Supreme Court mandated as a way to obtain justice," said Jeffrey Fogel, legal director of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights. "The first step is that the government has to respond."


Challenges were filed on behalf of two British citizens, three French citizens, a German Turk, a Jordanian Palestinian refugee, an Iraqi refugee and a Canadian.


More lawsuits are expected on behalf of other prisoners. About 600 men from more than 40 countries are being held on suspicion of links to al-Qaida or the fallen Taliban regime of Afghanistan (news - web sites). Some of the detainees have been at the prison for more than 2 1/2 years, with little or no contact with the outside world. Just four have had access to lawyers and three have been charged. Those named in the petitions Friday are not among them.


Fogel said the petitions were filed by lawyers from various law firms working in conjunction with the Center for Constitutional Rights. The lawyers were acting with the consent of the prisoners' families, he said.


In the petitions, some of which named multiple detainees, the attorneys said the government has exceeded its constitutional authority and asked the court to "declare that the prolonged, indefinite, and restrictive detention of (the detainees) is arbitrary and unlawful."


The Center for Constitutional Rights, a nonprofit legal organization, also sent Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld a letter on Thursday demanding access to 53 prisoners at Guantanamo. The Pentagon (news - web sites) had yet to respond.


"No decision has been made on how we are going to comply with the Supreme Court ruling," said Maj. Michael Shavers, a Pentagon spokesman. "The ruling wasn't simple and while we certainly will comply, the exact manner is still being discussed."


The Bush administration contends the men are "enemy combatants" who pose a threat to America and can be held without legal rights. The Supreme Court rejected the administration's argument that the detainees could not take their complaints to U.S. courts.


The British citizens, Moazzam Begg and Feroz Abbasi, are among six detainees Bush has said are candidates for the tribunal the military has formed to preside over trials of terror suspects.


Two of the nine were seized in Gambia, lawyers said — Jamil El-Banna, a Jordanian Palestinian refugee, and Bisher Al-Rawi, an Iraqi refugee, both of whom had been living in Britain.


The others named in the petitions include:


_ French citizens Mourad Benchallali, Nizar Sassi and Ridouane Khalid, all of whom according to lawyers were seized in Pakistan. Lawyers said Benchallali and Sassi were studying the Quran at the time, while Khalid was studying Arabic.


_ Murat Kurnaz, a German Turk whom the lawyers said was detained in Pakistan.


_ Omar Khadr, a Canadian who the lawyers said is 17.
 

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"Perhaps he was found in a terrorist training camp... at 15 years old though, do you think he had any choice in the matter? "

he followed his older brother there to participate in the war against america, his brother who had been a member of bennys boys for at least 4 years prior to being arrested. this was against his will?????? hardly.
did his parents have kidnapping charges filed before all this took place???
he was engaged in a war with another country.....you think he was a "proud canadian"?????? is that what your saying??? why hasnt his canadian citizenship been revoked would be a better question...

Landers you still havent answered the question of how the republicans stole the election in TENNESSEE...if gore had won his OWN STATE we wouldnt even have been talking about florida, but you cant seem to grasp this can you???? why?????? does it hurt that bad????? LOL YOU TALK LIKE A FOOL WHICH I KNOW YOUR NOT......YOU just cant face the reality that the people who knew algore best didnt want him in charge of ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
back up ur leftist dribble with some facts landers.....and by the way will you admit that before the movie ever even came out you were convinced by your own prejudices that every word the Liar Moore was going to say was fact????? people like yourself are what made this idiot the rich man he is today....he loves you landers and is sooooo thankful for your support.....LOL
 

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sfeiner...

you make some very good points...
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but what about what america was founded on? due process? innocent till proven guilty? the right to an attorney?
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sfeiner, I am sorry to say that TWO WRONG'S DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT...
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This kid was 15 years old?
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Can you honestly say you are HAPPY with the way prisoners have been handled in CUBA aswell as in the prison in IRAQ?
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You are a proud AMERICAN in relation to the way the USA has mocked the Geneva Convention?
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those of you on the right IMHO would gain much more credibility if you simply acknowledged from time to time mistakes made by the administration...NO?
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There was a documentary about this family (of which I only saw the latter half) not long ago on CBC. It raised quite the stink, as many Canadians, especially the anti-immigration ones, wanted this family ousted. I do recall them speaking as though they would be proud to see their son become a suicide bomber. Unfortunately, we can't kick people out because they think something. We have to prove that they've actually gone through with their thoughts. If it turns out these people are indeed up to something and they've done it on our turf, we will be mortified, obviously. However, I got the impression that they hold onto much of their old ideology, but harbour no ill will to Canada. It also seems that they are wanted by AQ and are not exactly in their good books.

BTW, the older brother was released form Guantanamo with no convictions of any kind.
 

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xpanda, that was here in Ottawa where I am from...
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is this the same family? I didnt know that? so this brother is still in CUBA?
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I didnt realize these two cases were linked...
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Yup. I think this is the youngest brother. The main brother, the one in the documentary, claims that he was released on condition that he be a spy or something for the US. He was in Afghanistan again, and a few other places, but I can't remember them now. After a couple of years of that, they let him come back to Canada. I think that's the story, at least.
 

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having not read the geneva convention i cant speak to this angle. others whos opinions i respect however have said that those conventions have not been violated....i know i just saw last night a u.s. soldier say that the geneva c. gives us the right to hold prisoners until the end of the war. and its not over by a long shot...but ill admit i dont know this for fact.

as far as our laws...sorry they dont apply here. if this kid has never set foot in america its very doubtful there are any laws we could convict him of...and i know (despite never having read it) that the G.C. does not mirror our court system....(god forgive me for saying this....lol )but this is one thing i agree with bubba clinton on...had we brought bin laden back to america during the 90's and tried him under our system he in all probability would never have been convicted.....hence bubba didnt get him when he was offered him. proving someone did something outside our country to hurt people in this country would be next to impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt...

again ill refrain from commenting on the prisoner treatment deal...this would require a thread all its own and more time than i can devote presently...however the wash post has in its online archives the official statements given by the "tortured" prisoners...i wish you all would take a reading to them sometime...things are not always as they are printed....

and i have admitted to mistakes by the administration....only differance is i see these mistakes in hindsight...and again to say they were made intentionally is second guessing....
 

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posted July 05, 2004 02:49 PM
looks like he is charged with killing a soldier....

still no excuse for a child not being able to see a lawyer for 2 years

Its an act of war not,stealing a car from the high school parking lot.
get a fxckin clue will ya? jesus!!@
 

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SS...I'd love to hear your demogougery if it was your brother this little fxck killed.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfeiner:
having not read the geneva convention i cant speak to this angle. others whos opinions i respect however have said that those conventions have not been violated....i know i just saw last night a u.s. soldier say that the geneva c. gives us the right to hold prisoners until the end of the war. and its not over by a long shot...but ill admit i dont know this for fact.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except that there has been no legal declaration of war in either Afghanistan or Iraq. Geneva applies as it would to an 'occupying force' but Guantanamo is not included under that blanket. Bush is demonstrating a blatant abuse of power at Guantanamo Bay. Your Supreme Court is rectifying that.
 

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