U.S. Economy: Consumer Confidence Leaps, House-Price Drop Slows

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Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit
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Willie, the debt can grow...until it is quit being bought. That is the issue. And That is what is starting to happen as China no longer sees buying U.S. treasuries as a safe investment. The feds will just print money and the dollar will collapse if this happens. They got us by the balls.

this is a common misconception

truth is China is a big player but doesnt have us by the balls as you say.

at all

in fact the entire "fed just prints money and the dollar collapse" scenario

is just an attempt to paint something very complex into a simple definition.
 

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We are nearing the end of the sub-prime crisis. Foreclosures have gone down since 2008. That would be good news, but anyone who knows anything about mortgages knows the ALT-A resets are coming, then the option ARMs. Mortgages aren't going to stop resetting until 2012.

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if one needs to find a 'single most important economic factor' to confirm a buy signal its right here, imo.

what magnitude will the next wave of foreclosures be?

we are on a glorious 30% upside run for the market. For those that didn't decrease stock exposure in early '08, they have a reprieve, somewhat. FROM THIS POINT, what are you willing to risk?
 

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this is a common misconception

truth is China is a big player but doesnt have us by the balls as you say.

at all

in fact the entire "fed just prints money and the dollar collapse" scenario

is just an attempt to paint something very complex into a simple definition.

and to add

as long as the USD is the gold standard of fiat

in fact we got the world economy by the balls moreso than anybody else does

this is why china wants a change in the currency policies....and you've also hearing rumblings of a bretton woods II type deal from some in the euro region

china better start stockpiling the gold if they want to have any say
 

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exactly tiz, gold reserves are key here for china which should drive the price of gold up some more soon

Not only does China have a fraction of what both the IMF and the US have in reserves

they also really didnt buy any hard US assets, only dolla bills

If they had hard assets they would be sitting prettier now.

At this point they will be forced to raise the price of their own currency gauging into that somewhat artificial trade surplus
 

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China is realizing their mistakes and adjusting. They now sit 5th in Gold reserves, they keep buying. Korn is right in that they no longer see US treasuries as a good investment. The US has to find another player to fund its rising debt addiction, or start printing. Any other way to fund it?
 

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they are increasing it

recently they announced they climed to 1054 tonnes from 654 tonnes in 2003

5th in the world

china itself is the largest producer of gold

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its not "printing" (as in a weimer germany style printing press) ricboff if somebody has to buy the treasuries the return

the only thing to date that i'd call pure printing pretty much is the fed buying treasuries

the thing you have to realize is there are alot of "digital" dollars roaming around out there "digital" dollars are easily created and also easily destroyed

its not like we are circulating a humongous increase in actual physical dollars (like weimer germany or modern day example zimbabwe) and these physical dollars do not get destroyed

the only way you can ever hyperinflate is if the actual physical money supply getting into the hands of the average joe increases big time...

the "helicopter" ben type scenerio
 

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the only way China is getting paid is by force, and I dont mean economic force

stay tuned kooks :)
 

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also the china doesn't buy our treasuries scenerio just not gonna happen

china's economy would also go tits up pretty quickly if they decided to do that....they depend on our consumption too much, they have no strong middle class to fall back upon

and its not like china is a stable society.....any major economic downturn could create alot of social unrest and big problems for the commie leaders
 

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they are increasing it

recently they announced they climed to 1054 tonnes from 654 tonnes in 2003

5th in the world

china itself is the largest producer of gold

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its not "printing" (as in a weimer germany style printing press) ricboff if somebody has to buy the treasuries the return

the only thing to date that i'd call pure printing pretty much is the fed buying treasuries

the thing you have to realize is there are alot of "digital" dollars roaming around out there "digital" dollars are easily created and also easily destroyed

its not like we are circulating a humongous increase in actual physical dollars (like weimer germany or modern day example zimbabwe) and these physical dollars do not get destroyed

the only way you can ever hyperinflate is if the actual physical money supply getting into the hands of the average joe increases big time...

the "helicopter" ben type scenerio

yes, this is what I meant. The Fed has publicly stated they will do this, if needed.

any other options to fund this?

has China dramatically reduced buying already? or smoke and mirrors?
 

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China can diversify their reserves, but in any case their currency must go up and the trade surplus must go down.
 

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the fed is doing it up to i forget how many billions

for a while there they couldn't find a way to get mortgage rates beaten down

that seemed to do the trick

but the problem coming now the treasuries rates are starting to turn up now that the equity markets are getting a bit more confidence coming back in that arena

its the no "wiggle room" affect

the numbers on the stock market may go back to 10k i dunno

but the plight of joe six pack ain't gonna get any better for a long time

the standard of living in the US has peaked out and not going back up anytime soon
 

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thks for that

China has dramatically increased spending within, increasing Gold reserves (as prev noted) and decreasing monies on US treasuries. Neither can live without the other. China does have one big advantage over the US-- they will sacrifice millions of their own for the 'good of country'.

wonder who's making up for China's shortfall? Brasil? that would be ironic, a country that has seen its dollar collapse more than once
 

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I'm not real knowledgeable on this topic.

But I am knowledgeable about many of the posting patterns of RxForum friends. And as I recall PoliticoPubster MISTER MJ spent most of 2008 reminding us that the national debt is really not that big a deal, most often as a rebuttal to those who complained about the level of debt laid by the Bush administration during their tenure.

I demand some honesty in your rebuttal. You are ignoring the massive increase under Obama.

As I said...we could have worked our way through the Bush deficits.

Quadrupling the Bush deficits under Obama is something completely different.

Can you admit that or not?
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