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Leading Dem in Calif. Race Used 'N' Word

The press hasn't wasted much time trying to dirty up California gubernatorial hopeful Arnold Schwarzenegger, with "Today" show cutie Katie Couric wondering aloud only hours after he announced about the Austrian-born Republican's father, who joined the Nazi Party after Hitler marched into Vienna.

But the leading Democratic candidate to replace Gov. Gray Davis brings some far more troubling baggage to the table, the details of which the press has so far barely mentioned.

Less than 24 hours after Schwarzenegger announced he was running, the state's lieutenant governor, Cruz Bustamante, said he, too, was jumping into the fray.

But if Bustamante wants to win over the state's African-American voters, he'd better hope they don't remember an embarrassing incident from two years ago when the gubernatorial hopeful blurted out the "N" word during a tribute to Black History Month.

"This word comes out of my mouth, and I didn't know what to do," Bustamante told the San Francisco Chronicle the next day. "I kept going on with my speech - when I got done, I just stood there. I couldn't believe what came out of my mouth."

Bustamante, whose popularity among Latinos could make him the state's next governor, was addressing an annual awards dinner and scholarship fund raiser for the Coalition of Black Trade Unionists. After the anti-black gaffe, about 100 people - 25 percent of the audience - got up and left.

"I was appalled that he would even say it as a slip," one audience member told the Chronicle. "You don't make a slip like that unless you use it normally."

Bustamante, who has made improving race relations the cornerstone of his career, told the paper he was "mortified" but offered no other excuse for using the anti-black racial slur.

Throughout his Black History Month tribute, which catalogued the accomplishments of America's civil rights leaders, the gubernatorial wannabe repeatedly used the word "Negro," reported the Chronicle, "which was not considered offensive given the historical context."

"At one point, however, Bustamante used the n-word," the paper said.

"I've struggled all weekend to explain it to myself," the angst-ridden Democrat said. "How can I explain it to you."
 

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I'd be more concerned with the "N" connection (as in Nazi) than the "N" word.

Actually I'm EVEN MORE concerned about the "N" experience - as in NONE.
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Lander - You must not be African American!

How many times have you heard Black people call each other the "N" word and it be ok, however if a White person uses the "N" word they are to be hung.

It may not be a big issue to you and me but it's a huge issue to African Americans.

Another question, where did you see Arnold's membership for the Nazi party? I would like to see for myself.

It sounds like you are very prejudice against Germans. It sad that there are still people out there that hate others because of there nationality.

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Lander - You must not be African American!
Correct, I'm European American.

How many times have you heard Black people call each other the "N" word and it be ok, however if a White person uses the "N" word they are to be hung.
The hypocracy makes me sick. Either it's a bad word for everyone, or for nobody - anything else, regardless of acceptance, is racial prejudgice

It may not be a big issue to you and me but it's a huge issue to African Americans.
I'd imagine, but honesly I didn't hear about it until you posted.

Another question, where did you see Arnold's membership for the Nazi party? I would like to see for myself.

It sounds like you are very prejudice against Germans. It sad that there are still people out there that hate others because of there nationality.[/b]
I NEVER said Arnold was a Nazi, I happen to think he a good man ... why are you always sooooo defensive?

What I was referring to was that Arnold's father fought for the Nazi party.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/949666.asp?0cb=-517172728
"Schwarzenegger’s father, who died three decades ago, was a police official who had belonged to the Nazi party"

I'm not saying he's a Nazi, but this is going to introduce a LOT of muckraking
 

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Lander - OK. I misunderstood you, I thought you were implying that Arnold was a Nazi. Personally, I am able to see that each person is different. Just because my father did something 30-40 years ago doesn't mean that I am doing or going to do the same thing.

I think everyone will see that.....Except for the people who don't want him in office. I wish people could get off of this whole smear campaign and actually talk about how they can help instead of what the other people are or can't do.

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oh please "hypocrisy of the N word".

Do you really think ghetto rappers and comedians speak for all black people.

Its not like Condolezza Rice calls Colin Powell her "Ni--er".

No respectable black person is using this word.
 

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Nigger is a power word, as long as a group can speak it freely but another group is chastened for doing so. That is all there is to it. For many blacks, poor/urban for the most part, it represents empowerment in a situation where they see themselves as disempowered, disenfranchised, etc.
 

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FunkSoulBrother - Good point!


As far as the use of the word.... I don't see much use in it. You have your white trash people, black trash people, mexican trash people, and so on. Maybe this is how inner city blacks refer to black trash people.

Personally if a person from another race called me a "Cracker", it wouldn't bother me. I am secure enough in myself that I don't let other people's opinion of me matter. I guess not everyone is that secure with who they are.

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This is also a good point, KMAN. There's something to be said about the effectiveness of racial slurs due to how a certain group/race/religion views itself, meaning, that perhaps the more individual a group, the less a stereotype might effect them.
 

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I always enjoyed this essay by Russell Madden from the LFE Times. I am the absolute poster child for whiteness and have been married to women from three different non-white ethnic groups, and have as a result seen some very strange examples of racism in my life. Madden (and Bruce's) views on the whole nigger issue (along with the whole cracker issue, spic issue, gook issue, wop issue, chink issue, kike issue, etc. etc. etc.) pretty well runs parallel to my own: it's only an issue to people with nothing more interesting or challenging to concern themselves.


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Nigger Nigger: Hate Crimes and Lenny Bruce
by Russell Madden

Last summer, singer and sometimes actor, Jennifer Lopez, got into trouble for using the word "nigger" in one of her songs. Some blacks were outraged at her temerity and insensitivity. Others cared less whether she included the word in her lyrics.

On a regular basis, Mark Twain's classic novel, Huckleberry Finn, is targeted for removal from high school libraries. The constant use by Huck of "nigger" sets the hackles on the easily offended. Ignoring the context in which Twain wrote the book; ignoring the fact that Huckleberry Finn is a profoundly anti-racist story; and ignoring Twain's personal commitment to bettering the situation of blacks in this country, the would-be censors denounce Twain in no uncertain terms and seek to yank the book from shelves. Mustn't pollute the minds of the young'uns, must we, with anything remotely controversial or thought-provoking?

Detective Mark Fuhrman's testimony in the O. J. Simpson murder trial was dismissed as part of a racist plot against an innocent man when a tape conversation proved his denial of ever uttering the word "nigger" was a lie.

Harvard law professor, Randall Kennedy, published a book in January of this year entitled, Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word. This book tackles the checkered history of what has become the quintessential racial slur in this country . . . at least if uttered by whites. In the 1600's, "nigger" had no particular opprobrium attached to it. By the early 1800's, however, that had changed. Today, it has become the Word-That-Must-Never-Be-Said.

A recent episode of the television show, "Boston Public," explored what happens when "nigger" enters a high school classroom.

Some people have argued that the word should be excised from dictionaries.

Uttering "nigger" at work can get an employee — and maybe his employer — convicted of creating a "hostile work environment."

A few people justify assault against any verbal transgressor who insults them by shouting the word.

Older blacks remember the Jim Crow years (brought to you, remember, not by private citizens but by state governments) and are understandably angered to hear what to them is the ultimate derogatory label. Younger blacks, however, have escaped much of the sting of those oppressive decades. Many of them do not have the same connotations, the same emotional associations and reactions that arise when they hear someone say, "nigger."

Some of these blacks frequently call each other "nigger" and listen to rap songs containing the word. The more they hear and say it, the more it fades into the background. Some may even wear the label as an odd badge of honor.

This tempest reminds me of two items from the black hole of the past.

One is from the founding of this country. "Yankee" was an appellation applied to Americans as an insult by the British. Rather than allow the Brits to set the terms of the debate, as it were, they adopted it as a self-descriptor and did so proudly. The term has stuck for over two centuries to describe the inhabitants of this country.

The second item is from the archives of Lenny Bruce. Before I discuss one of America's greatest comedians, however, we need to consider how resistance to and condemnation of the word "nigger" has reached hysterical levels in this country. The discussion has now gone far beyond issues of politeness or tolerance or civility. Our most basic freedoms are threatened by politically-correct masters who will punish anyone daring to violate their iron dictates of propriety.

Bad, Bad Lonny Rae

According to a story by Diana Lynne in WorldNetDaily, former Idaho resident, Lonny Rae, attended a high school football game last October. His wife, Kimberly, was there, as well, to take photos for a local newspaper. A black referee, Kenneth Manley, did not want his picture taken and tried to take Kimberly's camera. He failed to seize the camera, but in the struggle, he bruised and injured his victim's neck when he pulled on the camera's strap.

Naturally, Lonny took exception to the 230 pound, 6'3" Manley assaulting his 5'3" wife. While Kimberly screamed, Mr. Rae shoved Manley away from the smaller woman. Manley was then escorted to the locker room.

Lonny, however, was hardly satisfied with this result. Furious, he shouted, "Tell that nigger to get out here, 'cuz I'm a gonna kick his butt."

Manley chose discretion as the better part of valor when he faced a fight with a man rather than a woman. As any good husband would, Lonny told the police he wanted Manley charged with assault and battery.

A reasonable demand? You would think so, wouldn't you? Apparently, in Council, Idaho, however, you would be wrong.

Rather than holding Manley responsible for his violation of Kimberly's rights, officials charged Lonny with misdemeanor "malicious harassment," a result of Idaho's unconstitutional "hate crime" law. (Supporters of "hate crimes" rely on the discredited notion of "collective justice" and the unearned guilt many whites feel because of the transgressions of other, dead whites who either owned slaves or were racist themselves. For a fuller analysis of such violations of the First Amendment, see "Hatred is Not a Crime" on my website.) Later, the charge was increased to a felony.

Sensitive to Idaho's reputation as a haven for white-power groups, locals claimed Rae was racist, blamed him for the Orwellian twist of the school being put on probation for "fan abuse" of officials (!), barred him and his wife from school grounds, fired Kimberly from her job, and boycotted Lonny's construction business. Eventually, the family decided they had to move.

All because — in a fit of rage at a man who had physically hurt his wife — Lonny used a word — "nigger" — that he thought would upset his wife's attacker. But as Lonny told WorldNetDaily, none of the words banned by Idaho politicians who passed "hate crime" legislation refers to whites. Say "nigger, spook, gook, dike, fag, chink, spic" and go to jail. Say "cracker or honkey," however, and, hey, no problemo. Whites deserve it. Equal protection under the law? Oh, yeah.

While Lonny was not found guilty of a "hate crime," he was convicted of "assault" (!) — a crime for which he was never charged — for having the temerity to yell the word, "nigger." For that horrible utterance — for exercising his right to free expression — he spent a week in jail.

The warped reality of those irrationalists who equate saying with doing, who see no meaningful distinction between a bullet in the head and a "hurtful" word thrown into the air has finally arrived.
The thought police are alive and well in Idaho. In the name of fighting racism, the politicians have once again achieved the opposite of their stated goal and inflamed racism. As Lonny said, "This ordeal has almost made me racist . . . our lives were torn apart . . . and nothing happened to [Manley]. My kids are being taught that blacks can get away with anything."

Indeed, the "hate crime" statute that initially landed Lonny in trouble and the "assault" conviction that landed him in jail are, themselves, inherently racist. As Ayn Rand said in, "Racism" (in The Virtue of Selfishness), " . . . racism is a quest for the unearned. It is a quest for automatic knowledge — for an automatic evaluation of men's character that bypasses the responsibility of exercising rational or moral judgment . . . America has become race-conscious in a manner reminiscent of the worst days in the most backward countries . . . " Granting special favors — or meting out special punishments — to an individual because of the color of his skin is, as Rand points out, "the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism."

"Ironic" hardly captures the depth of this mockery of justice.

Which brings us around to Lenny Bruce . . .

Bad, Bad Lenny Bruce

It is too bad that Lenny is largely forgotten by those who would most benefit from his insights. This pioneer in defending free speech had — and has — a lot to say about cultural issues related to liberty. As a comedian, Lenny was repeatedly harassed and arrested for saying what is commonplace today in night clubs, movies, and cable television shows. A cultural leader, indeed, especially given the sad retroversion represented by our PC gestapo and such miscarriages as the Lonny Rae case.

One "bit" Lenny Bruce did was called, "Are there any niggers here tonight?" (If you're fortunate enough to be able to find it, this bit is in The Essential Lenny Bruce, edited by John Cohen, 1967, Ballantine Books.) In this bit, he asks the forbidden question of his audience. He also inquires as to the presence of any kikes, spics, hicks, guineas, greaseballs, Yids, and Polacks.

Oooo, the outrage is dripping from the air as he continues. He marches on in this vein for awhile. Then . . . well, I'll let Lenny finish this:

"The point? That the word's suppression gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. If President Kennedy got on television and said, 'Tonight I'd like to introduce the niggers in my cabinet,' and he yelled 'niggerniggerniggerniggerniggerniggernigger' at every nigger he saw, 'boogeyboogeyboogeyboogeyboogey, niggerniggerniggernigger' till nigger didn't mean anything any more, till nigger lost its meaning — you'd never make any four-year-old nigger cry when he came home from school."
 

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Incredible as this sounds its true. Last night (Sunday) a documentary about the life of Lenny Bruce, narrated by Robert De Niro was on cable (Showtime I think). I watched it and that whole rutine (racial) was shown. I think Bruce was performing at a club in Baltimore at the time. Several old comedians reminisce about Bruce, Jacky Gayle was the best known at least to me. His mother was a comedienne and night club dancer who greatly influenced his career. Anyway I am pretty sure it is going to repeat, if I see it as a coming attraction I will post it here in case you are interested in watching it. Fascinating and tragic, De Niro does an excellent job of narration.

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Wilheim -- was watching it myself. How's that for incredible but true?
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Also worth watching is the movie made of Bruce's life with Dustin Hoffman in the role of Bruce. Very good job -- I think it is entitled simply Lenny.


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I am glad you did see it, funny, while I was watching, I actually though about this forum and how some of Bruce's thinking would make interesting subject matter here. I have seen Lenny, but a long time ago and need to see it again, maybe I can find it at a video store.

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What Is a Jew? by Lenny Bruce.

"What is a Jew?
A Jew is one who is descended from the ancient tribes of Judea.
That's what it says in the dictionary.
But you and I know what a Jew is....
The one who killed OUR LORD.
You didn't know?
We did that about two thousand years ago.
There should be a stature of limitations with that crime.
But the Goyim are going to make us pay dues for another deuce.
And they say, hosannna, why do we make them pay the dues,
granted that Christ was the person you say he was?
All right, I'll admit it. I know why the Jews pay the dues.
Because we copped out;we skirted the issue;we blamed it on Roman soldiers. Yes!I will clear the air .We did it!
And not only did we kill Christ, We're going to kill him when he comes BACK!"

-(To those that would be offended, please notice the ironic tone of Bruce's composition.)
 

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