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Israel Air Force Foresees No Conflict with Russian Planes in Syria - Noam Amir (Maariv Hashavua-Jerusalem Post)
After Turkey downed a Russian jet that it claims entered its air space from Syria, such a scenario is not in danger of repeating itself in the skies over Israel, a senior Israeli air force official said Thursday.
"Our policy is that we do not attack or down anything that is Russian.... Russia is not an enemy," he said.
"We are trying to avoid tension with the Russians. Both sides wish not to get to a point where two pilots, an Israeli and a Russian, will meet in the air and will be unsure of what to do. We are not going near the aerial zone in which they are operating, and they don't come close to where we are operating."

 

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Probably the same.
I find the more I learn about the political and miliary moves made in the ME region the more I need to catch up. There are allies in one area and foes on the other. ISIS fights Assad, yet sells oil to Assad. Russia kills Chechens. Checen mercenaries fight for Russia.

ISIS, for whatever reason has not recognized the political juice they would gain by attacking Israel. They really do want to establish a caliphate. But what happens when people like this gain territory belies the fantasy. Rulers rule brutally, and those who dreamed of living in this utopia are now in a nightmare. That's why it will fail from within, even if it isn't destroyed from without. I don't understand how these people can operate. All we really need to do is cut off their supply lines. Plunge them into darkness, knock out their communications, cellphones, internet so they can't communicate etc. Who provides cell service, inet and electricity to ISIS? Knock down the towers etc and now they can't recruit. Gotta be pretty easy. This is not a functioning gov't that provides for the people yet. What am I missing?

As far as Israel-Russia goes I can't decide yet. I don't see any good for Israel having Russia in the ME outside of embarrassing the chump leader of Turkey. But they are cooperating.
Putin: Russia and Israel will exchange information on their combat against terrorism:

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151126/1030790773/information-israel-russia-exchange-putin.html

Putin just today was speaking out of both sides of his mouth. Wants to be part of a global coalition with the US to fight ISIS, yet blames the US for its plane being shot down because the US informs Turkey where the Russians are flying.

Israel seeks to maintain neutraliy in the Syria conflict because Israel knows whoever prevails will still be a hateful regime nextdoor. So Isael doesn't want to enflame tensions with the next Jewhater leaders of Syria. So they just wait it out. What could get interesting is if Iran istructs Hizb'Allah to fire on Israel from Lebanon. How hard does Israel hit back next time? And how does Putin play that out politically if Iran and Israel get into another war in Lebanon?


crazy, eh? clearly there are groups that directly/indirectly are cool doing business with them. Money talks, I guess- trumps human lives. I find it odd that with US Intelligence, clearly, showing Turkey as a financial lifeline to ISIS that US/Turkey relations are still cool.....hmm........odd?


is it too much to ask Putin and Obama to put shit behind them and work together? really?



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'we work together. You talk to Mr Obama, he no listen to me.............we see.........'
 

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  • Defense Minister Ya'alon: Russian Jet Strayed into Israel - Yaakov Lappin
    Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Sunday that since Russia began air strikes in Syria, a Russian jet accidentally strayed one mile into Israeli air space. "We immediately got on our communication channel, and the pilot immediately returned to Syrian territory....Ahead of time, they of course let us know when they approach our territory." He added that "Russian planes have no intention of attacking us, so there is no need to automatically shoot them down, even if they accidentally [breach our air space]." (Jerusalem Post)
 

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Turkey, such a great ally. They support ISIS and now get monies to close the flow of migrants;



http://news.yahoo.com/eu-hopes-turkish-help-slow-migrants-summit-000950422.html


BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Turkey promised to help stem the flow of migrants to Europe in return for cash, visas and renewed talks on joining the EU in a deal struck on Sunday that the Turkish prime minister called a "new beginning" for the uneasy neighbors.
Leaders of the European Union met Turkish premier Ahmet Davutoglu in Brussels on Sunday to finalize an agreement hammered out by diplomats over the past month, as Europeans struggle to limit the strain on their 28-nation bloc from taking in hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees.
A key element is 3 billion euros ($3.2 billion) in EU aid for the 2.2 million Syrians now in Turkey. The money is intended to raise their living standards and so persuade more of them to stay put rather than attempt perilous crossings to the EU via the Greek islands.
The final offer of "an initial" 3 billion euros represents a compromise between the EU, which offered that sum over two years, and Turkey, which wanted it every year. Now the money, as French President Francois Hollande said, will be paid out bit by bit as conditions are met, leaving the total payout unclear.


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'...oh yes yes yes... we help of course, but we need money....3 billion euros and we help....'
 

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  • Defense Minister Ya'alon: Russian Jet Strayed into Israel - Yaakov Lappin
    Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon said Sunday that since Russia began air strikes in Syria, a Russian jet accidentally strayed one mile into Israeli air space. "We immediately got on our communication channel, and the pilot immediately returned to Syrian territory....Ahead of time, they of course let us know when they approach our territory." He added that "Russian planes have no intention of attacking us, so there is no need to automatically shoot them down, even if they accidentally [breach our air space]." (Jerusalem Post)


i'm starting to wonder if some of these Russian pilots are drinking Vodka while flying.............dagone........
 

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Turkey rounds up 1,300 refugees about to make hazardous crossing to Lesbos just hours after it was promised £2billion of EU cash to deal with crisis




  • Turkey struck a deal with EU to stem flow of refugees in return for cash



  • People are continuing to arrive after making the arduous trip from Turkey
  • Meanwhile, Turkey has detained 1,300 people 'trying to reach Greece'
  • Migrants were sent to a repatriation centre and could face deportation
  • Amnesty slammed the operation as being 'alarming but not surprising'


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Turkey has rounded up 1,300 refugees about to make the perilous sea-crossing to Lesbos, just hours after it was promised £2billion of EU cash to help cope with the ongoing crisis.
In a deal struck today with the EU, Turkey has agreed to help stem the flow of migrants and refugees into the 28-nation bloc in return for cash, visas and renewed discussions on joining the EU.


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Migrants are continuing to arrive on the Greek island of Lesbos, but Turkey has begun cracking down


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Nice to see they kept their smartphones dry during their arduous journey.

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[h=1]Turkey shot down Russian fighter to protect its supply of oil from ISIS, claims Putin[/h]

  • Russian President made the claim at the global climate conference in Paris
  • Claimed downing of Russian plane was to protect supply of oil from ISIS
  • Told news conference that shooting the plane down was a 'huge mistake'






Vladimir Putin has accused Turkey of shooting down a Russian fighter to protect its supply of oil from ISIS.


The Russian President said he had received more information showing that ISIS oil was going via Turkey.


And he claimed that Turkey's downing of a Russian warplane near the Syria border last week was dictated by a desire to defend those supply lines.


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Vladimir Putin (pictured at the global climate conference in Paris) has accused Turkey of shooting down a Russian fighter to protect its supply of oil from ISIS


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Speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, Putin said the downing of the plane was a 'huge mistake' and that he had not met with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan at a summit in Paris on Monday.
'We have every reason to think that the decision to shoot down our plane was dictated by the desire to protect the oil supply lines to Turkish territory,' Putin said during a news conference on the fringes of the climate talks.


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Earlier today, it was reported that the US had demanded Turkey close a stretch of its border with Syria being used as a crossing point by Islamic State terrorists.
Washington will no longer accept Ankara's claims that it cannot close the 60-mile section of the border used by ISIS fighters, following the atrocities in Paris that claimed the lives of 130 people.
The demand comes as EU leaders are set to hand Turkey £2.1billion in return for tightening its border security and clamping down on the flow of migrants into Europe.
A senior official in President Barack Obama's administration told The Wall Street Journal: 'The game has changed. Enough is enough. The border needs to be sealed.
'This is an international threat, and it’s coming out of Syria and it’s coming through Turkish territory.'
The border between Jarabulus and Cobanbey - a stretch of about 35 miles - is the main route used by ISIS militants, according to US intelligence agencies.

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This follows the recapturing of the border crossing at Tal Abyad by the Kurdish People's Protection Units, also known as the YPG, earlier this year, The Independent reports.
When ISIS controlled the Syrian side of the crossing, Turkey kept the border open, but then closed it when the area fell to Kurdish fighters.
The Independent reports that thousands of foreign fighters have crossed into Syria from Turkey to join ISIS, and crude oil from oilfields seized by the terror group have been transported into Turkey to be sold.
Vladimir Putin has openly accused Turkey of aiding ISIS following the downing of a Russian fighter jet.


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[h=1]Russia has ‘more proof’ ISIS oil routed through Turkey, Erdogan says he’ll resign if it’s true[/h]Published time: 30 Nov, 2015 18:32Edited time: 30 Nov, 2015 20:20
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Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan. © Sputnik / Reuters




Russia has received additional intelligence confirming that oil from deposits controlled by Islamic State is moved through Turkey on an industrial scale, said Vladimir Putin. President Recep Erdogan said he will resign if this is confirmed.

LIVE UPDATES: Russia-Turkey relations sour after Su-24 downed at Syria border
Moscow has grounds to suspect that the Su-24 was downed by Turkish jets on November 24 to secure illegal oil deliveries from Syria to Turkey, he said speaking on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris on Monday.
At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale,” he said.
We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers,” Putin said.


Speaking in Paris on Monday, President Recep Erdogan said that he will leave office if there is proof of Turkey’s cooperation with IS.
“We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it],” he said, as quoted by TASS.
The countries from which Turkey buys oil are “well known,” said Erdogan.
He called on Russia to comment on the US’ recent black-listing of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the World Chess Federation President, accusing him of “materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria.” Erdogan alleged Ilyumzhinov had been dealing with Islamic State oil.





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#Breaking Turkey's Erdogan says will step down if Russian claims of buying oil from Daesh are proved






Terrorists have been abusing the visa-free regime between Russia and Turkey to move freely, the Russian leader said adding that Ankara failed to address the issue after Russia raised it.
We have been asking [Ankara] for a long time to pay attention” to the threat posed by some terrorists active in separate regions of Russia, including the northern Caucuses, that have been “emerging on Turkish territory,” Putin said.
Moscow has asked Ankara to “stop this practice,” he added, but pointed out that “we have traced some located on the territory of the Turkish Republic and living in regions guarded by special security services and police that have used the visa-free regime to return to our territory, where we continue to fight them,” he added.

‘Oxygen for jihadists’: #ISIS-smuggled oil flows through Turkey to intl markets – Iraqi MP http://on.rt.com/6xx3
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Answering a question as to whether Moscow wants to form a broad based anti-terrorist coalition, Putin said Russia has always supported this initiative, “but this cannot be done while someone continues to use several terrorist organizations to reach their immediate goals.”
Putin admitted that he was personally saddened by the deterioration of relations with Turkey. He explained that “problems do exist and they emerged a long time ago and we have been trying to resolve them in dialogue with our Turkish partners.



Putin said he has heard Ankara’s claims that it was not Erdogan who made the decision to down the Russian jet. However, he stressed that for Russia “it doesn’t really matter” which official made the decision.
As a result of this criminal campaign our two soldiers died – a crew commander and a marine, who was part of the rescue team of the [Su-24] crew,” he said, adding that Turkey’s actions had been “a huge mistake.”
Russo-Turkish relations have deteriorated in the wake of the downing of Russia’s Su-24 by Turkish jets over Syria on November 24. Russia imposed a package of economic sanctions against Turkey last Thursday, which included banning several Turkish organizations and the import of certain goods, as well as cancelling the visa-free regime for Turkish citizens travelling to Russia starting next year.



Speaking on the sidelines of the summit, Erdogan said that Ankara will act “patiently, not emotionally” before imposing any counter-measures.
Meanwhile, ahead of the summit, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu stated that Ankara will not apologize “for doing our duty.
Putin and Erdogan were hoped to meet at the environmental summit taking place in Paris, but Putin said that no meeting was held on Monday.

 

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[h=1]By ‘covering’ Turkey politically, NATO took responsibility for downing of Russian Su-24 – envoy[/h]

By refusing to render an opinion on Turkey’s “intentional” downing of Russia’s bomber over Syria, and instead providing Ankara with political backing, NATO’s leadership has taken responsibility for the incident, Russia’s NATO envoy, Aleksandr Grushko, said.


Grushko gave his comments to reporters on Monday after it emerged that he had met with NATO’s Deputy Secretary-General Alexander Vershbow to discuss the November 24 incident when a Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down by a Turkish F-16 while striking terrorist positions in Syria.

“Yes, indeed I had talks with Deputy Secretary-General A. Vershbow over the Su-24 incident…. I laid out the Russian assessment of the incident and cited a series of military and political factors which indicate of the intentional nature of the attack on the Russian plane in the Syrian airspace,” Grushko, Russia’s Permanent Representative at NATO, said.



However, Vershbow would not give any assessment of Turkey’s aggressive action, according to the Russian diplomat, and only called for restraint and direct contact between Moscow and Ankara concerning the issue.

“NATO prefers not to go into detail on what the reason was for Turkey’s decision to launch a missile to down a plane which was flying in Syrian airspace and which posed no threat to Turkey,” Grushko pointed out.

The Russian envoy to NATO stressed that Turkey’s decision to down a non-hostile plane in the border region goes against the alliance’s rules of engagement.

“In the case of the November 24 incident, even if we take for granted the absolutely ungrounded version of violation of Turkey’s airspace, these NATO’s practices were not observed, since, according to Ankara, the pilots did not even know the identity of the violator plane,” he stressed.



In light of this, the absence of any criticism and the fact that Turkey was quick to receive NATO support following the attack means that the block is equally responsible, the diplomat said.

“NATO, which gave no principled assessment of this illegal act and, as a matter of fact, politically covered for Ankara as the member of the alliance, thus shares responsibility for the incident. Once again, we see that political considerations are getting the upper hand over objectivity and mere common sense,” Grushko said.


 

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Funny Shit. SB has become Putin's official Mouthpiece on here, posting propaganda pieces from RT, Russia's Gov't mouthpiece, and Tass, like they are factual, hook, line and sinker. The fact is, if Russia didn't fly their planes over NATO airspace, after repeated warnings to not do so, Turkey wouldn't have taken the regrettable action they did. And Russia and Putin are lying when they say the Plane wasn't flying over Turkish airspace. There are no good guys in this one. Turkish Gov't no doubt has corruption, as does every Gov't. Putin is an evil, sadistic, power hungry liar who is doing nothing but propping up Assad.

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Turkey has released a number of recordings which it claims prove that the warplane was warned repeatedly prior to being shot down.

Turkey has been backed by its allies NATO and the United States, with the US state department reiterating on Monday that its data "corroborated" Turkey's version of events.

But Russia has hit back hard, slapping Turkey with a series of sanctions over the weekend - including bans on Turks' labour contract extensions, chartered flights from Russia to Turkey and tourism packages to Turkey.
Despite the sanctions, however, Davutoglu said on Monday that Turkey would not apologise for "protecting its borders".
"No country should ask us to apologise," Davutoglu told reporters following a meeting with NATO's secretary-general at alliance headquarters in Brussels.
"The protection of our land borders, our airspace, is not only a right, it is a duty," he said. "We apologise for committing mistakes, not for doing our duty."

RELATED: Russia hits back at Turkey by changing Syria 'game'

Moscow's surprise intervention in the nearly five-year-old Syrian civil war in September wrong-footed the West and put Turkey, which shares a long border with Syria, directly at odds with Russian support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

The downing of the Russian warplane has wrecked both Turkish-Russian relations and the French-led diplomatic effort to bring Moscow closer into the fold of nations seeking to destroy ISIL through military action in Syria.
While Russia says it is targeting ISIL, many of its air strikes have been against other Assad opponents, including groups actively supported by Turkey.

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[h=1]Erdoğan challanges Putin to resign if he can't prove Turkey buys oil from Daesh[/h] DAILY SABAH WITH AGENCIES
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President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivers a speech as he attends Heads of States' Statements ceremony of the COP21 World Climate Change Conference 2015 in Le Bourget, north of Paris, France, 30 November 2015. (EPA Photo)
Speaking in Paris during the first day of the UN Climate Change Conference with 140 world leaders, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan responded to Russian President Vladimir Putin's 'slander' that Turkey buys oil from the Deash terrorist organization.

In his statement, the president underlined Turkey's commitment to fight Daesh terror in every possible way, saying that he will resign from his post if any oil purchase from Daesh is proven. Erdoğan said, "As soon as such a claim is proved, the nobility of our nation requires [me] to do this."

"I will not remain in this post. But I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"

Erdoğan also called on his Russian counterpart to explain Russian purchases of Daesh oil.

He stated that a Russian-Syrian citizen has been buying oil from Daesh and then selling it to Assad regime, which he said was also confirmed by U.S. sources. "First they [Russia] should give an account of this," he added.

The president also said that Russia's claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh terrorist organization is not 'moral', adding "such claims have to be proved."

Further emphasizing that the countries Turkey buys oil from is 'known' sources, he said: "We buy from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, Qatar and Nigeria. We won't accept any other slanders."

Erdoğan further said that Turkey would act "patiently, not emotionally" before taking any measures in response to Russia's decision to impose sanctions on Turkey.

Putin earlier on Monday claimed that the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane on November 24 was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Daesh.

Putin, speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, said that the decision to shoot down the plane was a "huge mistake" and that he had not met Erdoğan on Monday, despite them both being in Paris.

Relations between Russia and Turkey have nosedived since Russia's violation of Turkish airspace last week.

Turkish officials have shown audio and visual evidence that the Russian SU-24 jet violated Turkish airspace and had been warned repeatedly.

Moscow, on the other hand, says that the aircraft was shot down when it was over Syria, where Russia has been carrying out air campaigns to support the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Putin on Saturday signed a decree imposing economic sanctions on Turkey, while Erdoğan has said that Turkey will not apologise over the incident.

On Monday Russia said the ban would be mainly of agricultural products and it might expand the sanctions if needed.
 

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Pretty good assessment of these 2 Power Hungry Assholes:


[h=1]Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan: 2 nations, Russia and Turkey, split by similarities of their heads[/h]NYT News Service | Nov 30, 2015, 11.49 AM IST
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Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan have similar leadership styles.MOSCOW: Russia has a new Enemy No. 1.

His name is Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey, or as the TV news program hosted by the Kremlin's main ideologue described him Sunday night, "an unrestrained and deceitful man hooked on cheap oil from the barbaric caliphate" — referring to the Islamic State.

Not long ago, Erdogan earned about the warmest accolade possible from President Vladimir Putin. He described the Turkish president as "a strong man," willing to stand up to the West. That was then.

Ever since the Turkish air force shot down a Russian warplane last week that Turkey accused of violating its airspace, Putin has been calling Erdogan a back stabber. Erdogan has not taken on Putin directly, but even as he has softened his tone, he has refused to apologize for the downing of the fighter jet. And a pro-government Turkish newspaper recently ran a headline saying, "Putin tries to deceive the world with his lies," a reference to Moscow's actions in the war in Syria.

The animosity between Russia and Turkey has been growing for years because they back different sides in Syria's civil war, with Russia intervening to buttress the government of President Bashar Assad, an Alawi Shiite, and Turkey backing the Sunni majority and pushing for Assad to leave office.

But in the wake of the warplane's downing, the two men's personal styles — including an unwillingness to compromise — is further inflaming the tensions.

Those resentments now threaten to at least prolong the bloody, intractable conflict in Syria, and have raised fears that NATO could be dragged in if the conflict between Russia and Turkey escalates.

"The problem is that you have two presidents who are both highly status conscious and both high-risk players," said Ivan Krastev, a political scientist who is chairman of the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, Bulgaria. "Not looking weak is something very important for both Putin and Erdogan. Neither knows how to retreat, nor apologize. In that way they are like twins."

Both men are often described as combative, uncompromising, nationalistic and authoritarian. Putin changed jobs to keep running his country, switching between the post of prime minister and president; Erdogan has done the same and wants to revamp the Turkish constitution to give more powers to the presidency. Both are trying to restore luster to the empires that were lost in World War I — Czarist Russia and the Ottoman Empire. One is sometimes derisively likened to a czar, and the other a sultan. Both nurse a sense of historical grievance that the West does not fully accept them.

READ ALSO: Kremlin says Putin 'fully mobilized' to tackle threat from Turkey


The two leaders profess to respect the rule of law but are widely criticized for ignoring it when it threatens their reach. They have unleashed the courts or the tax authorities to silence criticism from big business and opposition media.

Putin is well known for cracking down on his opposition. Erdogan is building his own reputation for harsh treatment; scores of people have been investigated on charges of insulting the president and several foreign journalists have been deported.

READ ALSO: Turkey's President Tayyip Erdogan warns Russia not to 'play with fire'


Both tend to blame external, global conspiracies for failures.

Or as Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny wrote on his blog last week: "They both talk foreign policy nonsense to distract citizens from internal problems. Both use imperial ambitions, imperial rhetoric to strengthen their personal power and personal enrichment. Both hate social and news media. Both call the West their enemy and appeal to traditional values, while they both are immoral."

They also enjoy soaring popularity ratings at home, which gives them a sense of impunity. The two men are such mirror images of each other, in fact, analysts said, that they are unlikely to be able to resolve the dispute over the plane without outside mediation.

"They do not trust each other," Krastev said. "There is too much ambition on both sides."

Putin has demanded a public apology for the downing of the military jet and compensation from the Turkish leadership. The extent of Putin's pique is perhaps best reflected by the repeated accusations on Russian state television that Erdogan's son is deeply involved in the black market trade in oil extracted by the Islamic State, the terrorist group that has taken over parts of Iraq and Syria — and whose Egyptian affiliate recently took responsibility for downing a Russian passenger jet in Sinai.

Erdogan strongly denied the allegations. "They are lies; they are slander. We have never, never had this kind of commercial relationship with any terror organization," Erdogan said in an interview with France 24 last week. "They have to prove it, and if they can, Tayyip Erdogan will leave office."

Still, Erdogan did seem to be trying to dial back after first demanding that Russia apologize over what Turkey said was a violation of its airspace, and direct military confrontation seems unlikely. By the weekend he said, "We are truly saddened by this incident."

"In his own way he is trying to apologize, but I don't think Putin is receptive," said Asli Aydintasbas, a Turkish fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations.

Or as Dmitry Kiselyev, the Kremlin ideologue, said pointedly Sunday night, "The hotline has been switched off." In the hourlong news program, which was devoted almost entirely to bashing Turkey, he added, "Has Erdogan lost his marbles?"

It was not always thus. A year ago the two leaders seemed born allies as they agreed that Russia would invest in a major gas pipeline, known as the Turkish Stream, that would pump Russian gas through Turkey to Europe as an alternative to the one across the Balkans that the European Union had opposed. Indeed, the two leaders pledged to more than triple their roughly $30 billion annual trade to $100 billion by 2020.

The fact that Erdogan openly boasted about the project at a time when the West was calling for wider sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine crisis prompted Putin to call him a "strong man."

Right after the Russian military jet was shot down, Turkish trucks began to back up at the Russian border, as the government food watchdog suddenly discovered problems with the produce that it had praised a year ago as exceptional. It is not clear whether the Turkish Stream and other major projects will be affected by planned sanctions.

It is also unclear if the two leaders will try to work out their differences this week. Both are due in Paris Monday for the global climate change conference. Erdogan said that he had called the Kremlin to suggest that they meet on the sidelines to help defuse the crisis. Putin's only public response so far was a decree issued late Saturday night ordering up a list of vaguely defined economic sanctions against Turkey.

In the end, some analysts say, a continued confrontation with Turkey, hot or cold, could work to Putin's advantage, possibly speeding his goal of lifting Western sanctions imposed after his country's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. Replacing Moscow's heated anti-Western criticism with a new target might improve Russia's estranged ties with the West.
 

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[h=1]Putin says Turkey shot down Russian plane to defend IS oil supplies[/h]By REUTERS
PUBLISHED: 19:43, 30 November 2015 | UPDATED: 19:43, 30 November 2015


PARIS, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Monday the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane last week was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Islamic State.
Putin, speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, added that the decision to shoot down the plane was a "huge mistake" and that he had not met Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Monday, despite them both being in Paris.
"We have received additional data which confirm that Islamic State oil ... enters the territory of Turkey," Putin said. "The decision to shoot down the plane was dictated specifically by a desire to defend supplies."



 

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[h=1]War with Isis: Obama demands Turkey close stretch of border with Syria[/h]Ankara is accused of tolerance of – if not complicity with – the terrorists, who use border as a crossing point for Isis recruits and oil sales

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The US is demanding that Turkey close a 60-mile stretch of its border with Syria which is the sole remaining crossing point for Isis militants, including some of those involved in the massacre in Paris and other terrorist plots.
The complete closure of the 550-mile-long border would be a serious blow to Isis, which has brought tens of thousands of Islamist volunteers across the frontier over the past three years.


In the wake of the Isis attacks in Paris, Washington is making clear to Ankara that it will no longer accept Turkish claims that it is unable to cordon off the remaining short section of the border still used by Isis. “The game has changed. Enough is enough. The border needs to be sealed,” a senior official in President Barack Obama’s administration told The Wall Street Journal, describing the tough message that Washington has sent to the Turkish government. “This is an international threat, and it’s coming out of Syria and it’s coming through Turkish territory.”



It has become of crucial importance ever since the Syrian Kurdish forces known as the People’s Protection Units (YPG) captured the border crossing at Tal Abyad, 60 miles north of Isis’s capital of Raqqa in June. Turkey had kept that border crossing open while Isis was in control on the southern side, but immediately closed it when the YPG seized the crossing point. The Turkish authorities are refusing to allow even the bodies of YPG fighters, who are Turkish citizens and were killed fighting Isis, to be taken back across the border into Turkey.




The US move follows increasing international criticism of Turkey for what is seen as its long-term tolerance of, and possible complicity with, Isis and other extreme jihadi groups such as al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra Front, and Ahrar al-Sham. Not only have thousands of foreign fighters passed through Turkey on their way to join Isis, but crude oil from oilfields seized by Isis in north-east Syria has been transported to Turkey for sale, providing much of revenue of the self-declared Islamic State.
Last week a Turkish court jailed two prominent journalists for publishing pictures of a Turkish truck delivering ammunition to opposition fighters in Syria. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan claimed that the weapons were destined for Turkmen paramilitaries allied to Turkey fighting in Syria, but this was denied by Turkish political leaders close to the Turkmen.





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Turkey is now under heavy pressure from the US and Russia, with President Vladimir Putin directly accusing Ankara of aiding Isis and al-Qaeda. In the wake of the shooting down of a Russian aircraft by a Turkish jet, Russia is launching heavy air strikes in support of the Syrian army’s advance to control the western end of the Syrian Turkish border. The pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said a Russian air strike on the town of Ariha yesterday killed 18 people and wounded dozens more. Meanwhile Turkey said it had now received the body of the pilot killed when the plane was shot down and would repatriate it to Moscow.



The US demand that Turkey finally close the border west of Jarabulus could, if Turkey complies, prove more damaging to Isis than increased air strikes by the US, France and, possibly Britain. The YPG has closed half the Syrian frontier over the last year and defeated an Isis assault aimed at taking another border crossing at Kobani. Syrian Kurdish leaders say they want to advance further west from their front line on the Euphrates and link up with a Kurdish enclave at Afrin. But Turkey insists that it will resist a further YPG advance with military force. Instead, it had proposed a protected zone on the southern side of the border from which Isis would be driven by moderate Syrian opposition fighters.
The US has opposed this proposal, suspecting that the Turkish definition of moderates includes those the US is targeting as terrorists. It also appears to be a ploy to stop the YPG, heavily supported by US air power, expanding its de facto state along Turkey’s southern flank. US officials are quoted as saying that there could be “significant blowback” against Turkey by European states if it allows Isis militants to cross from Syria into Turkey and then carry out terrorist outrages in Europe.
Meanwhile in Iraq, officials said three more mass graves had been found in the northern town of Sinjar, which Kurdish forces backed by US-led air strikes recaptured from Isis earlier this month.
 

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Soph year at PSU I had a 'History of Communism' course. The prof not only got into the subject, but the personalities of Lenin, Stalin, etc. I would consider the prof a genius. All the tests were essay. Brutal. Got a 'C' in the course. One of 4 Cs in 4 years. Would love to hear this guy's head study analysis of Putin and Erdogan today, and his take on their conflict and its ramifications toward NATO, ISIS and the road ahead for their countries and Syria.
 

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Erdoğan challanges Putin to resign if he can't prove Turkey buys oil from Daesh

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President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivers a speech as he attends Heads of States' Statements ceremony of the COP21 World Climate Change Conference 2015 in Le Bourget, north of Paris, France, 30 November 2015. (EPA Photo)
Speaking in Paris during the first day of the UN Climate Change Conference with 140 world leaders, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan responded to Russian President Vladimir Putin's 'slander' that Turkey buys oil from the Deash terrorist organization.

In his statement, the president underlined Turkey's commitment to fight Daesh terror in every possible way, saying that he will resign from his post if any oil purchase from Daesh is proven. Erdoğan said, "As soon as such a claim is proved, the nobility of our nation requires [me] to do this."

"I will not remain in this post. But I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"

Erdoğan also called on his Russian counterpart to explain Russian purchases of Daesh oil.

He stated that a Russian-Syrian citizen has been buying oil from Daesh and then selling it to Assad regime, which he said was also confirmed by U.S. sources. "First they [Russia] should give an account of this," he added.

The president also said that Russia's claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh terrorist organization is not 'moral', adding "such claims have to be proved."

Further emphasizing that the countries Turkey buys oil from is 'known' sources, he said: "We buy from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, Qatar and Nigeria. We won't accept any other slanders."

Erdoğan further said that Turkey would act "patiently, not emotionally" before taking any measures in response to Russia's decision to impose sanctions on Turkey.

Putin earlier on Monday claimed that the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane on November 24 was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Daesh.

Putin, speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, said that the decision to shoot down the plane was a "huge mistake" and that he had not met Erdoğan on Monday, despite them both being in Paris.

Relations between Russia and Turkey have nosedived since Russia's violation of Turkish airspace last week.

Turkish officials have shown audio and visual evidence that the Russian SU-24 jet violated Turkish airspace and had been warned repeatedly.

Moscow, on the other hand, says that the aircraft was shot down when it was over Syria, where Russia has been carrying out air campaigns to support the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Putin on Saturday signed a decree imposing economic sanctions on Turkey, while Erdoğan has said that Turkey will not apologise over the incident.

On Monday Russia said the ban would be mainly of agricultural products and it might expand the sanctions if needed.



Russia accuses Turkish president's FAMILY of being involved in the 'criminal business' of selling oil purchased from ISIS


  • Russian defence minister made the remarkable claim at a briefing today
  • He accused the Turkish president's family of benefiting from the oil trade
  • Anatoly Antonov, the defence minister, said Turkish leaders 'would not acknowledge anything - even if their faces are smeared with the stolen oil'


Russia has today accused the Turkish president's family of involvement in the illegal oil trade with ISIS - part of a black market enterprise which adds millions of dollars to the terrorists' coffers.Speaking to reporters in Moscow, defence minister Anatoly Antonov sensationally claimed Russia has evidence that Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his family are linked to ISIS oil.
His comments come as both countries refuse to back down in an escalating war of words following the Turkish army's downing of a Russian jet it claims breached its airspace last week.


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Pictured is what the Russian defence ministry claimed was rows of oil trucks crossing into Turkey

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The ministry claimed the satellite footage proved Turkey was involved in the illicit ISIS oil trade

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It claimed the footage was filmed from the skies above border crossings in ISIS-controlled Iraq and Syria

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This photograph shows what appears to be a border crossing, where the Russia claims ISIS-linked oil trucks are passing into Turkey unimpeded




Antonov said today: 'President Erdogan and his family are involved in this criminal business.
'We know the price of Erdogan's words. Turkish leaders won't step down and they won't acknowledge anything even if their faces are smeared with the stolen oil.'




To accompany his comments, his ministry released what it claimed was surveillance footage showing dozen of trucks crossing into Turkey.
The defence ministry officials showed the journalists what they said were satellite images depicting thousands of trucks carrying oil from ISIS-occupied areas in Syria and Iraq into Turkey.
They did not, however, provide any evidence to back up the claims of personal involvement of Mr Erdogan and his family in the illegal oil trade.
Antonov claimed that ISIS militants make £1.33billion a year from the illegal oil trade.
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Russian military chiefs attend a briefing in the Russian Federation war room today on the war in Syria

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During the briefing, Russian defence minister Anatoly Antonov accused Turkish leadership of involvement in the ISIS oil trade



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Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan (left) has repeatedly denied Russian 'slander' that his country is involved in the black market oil trade with ISIS. Pictured right is Russian president Vladimir Putin

Lieutenant General Sergei Rudskoi, of the Russian military's general staff, also claimed Russian airstrikes on the ISIS oil infrastructure in Syria had halved the militants' profits.
The Turkish president has denied Turkey's involvement in oil trade with the ISIS, and said repeatedly that he would resign if Russia proves its accusations.
Last week, speaking in Ankara, he said: 'They claim Turkey is buying oil from Daesh' - using the Arabic acronym for ISIS.
'Shame on you. Those who claim we buy oil from Daesh are obliged to prove it. If not, you are a slanderer.'




 

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Erdoğan challanges Putin to resign if he can't prove Turkey buys oil from Daesh

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President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan delivers a speech as he attends Heads of States' Statements ceremony of the COP21 World Climate Change Conference 2015 in Le Bourget, north of Paris, France, 30 November 2015. (EPA Photo)
Speaking in Paris during the first day of the UN Climate Change Conference with 140 world leaders, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan responded to Russian President Vladimir Putin's 'slander' that Turkey buys oil from the Deash terrorist organization.

In his statement, the president underlined Turkey's commitment to fight Daesh terror in every possible way, saying that he will resign from his post if any oil purchase from Daesh is proven. Erdoğan said, "As soon as such a claim is proved, the nobility of our nation requires [me] to do this."

"I will not remain in this post. But I am asking Mr. Putin, would you remain?"

Erdoğan also called on his Russian counterpart to explain Russian purchases of Daesh oil.

He stated that a Russian-Syrian citizen has been buying oil from Daesh and then selling it to Assad regime, which he said was also confirmed by U.S. sources. "First they [Russia] should give an account of this," he added.

The president also said that Russia's claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh terrorist organization is not 'moral', adding "such claims have to be proved."

Further emphasizing that the countries Turkey buys oil from is 'known' sources, he said: "We buy from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan, Qatar and Nigeria. We won't accept any other slanders."

Erdoğan further said that Turkey would act "patiently, not emotionally" before taking any measures in response to Russia's decision to impose sanctions on Turkey.

Putin earlier on Monday claimed that the reason Turkey downed a Russian warplane on November 24 was that it wanted to protect supplies of oil from Daesh.

Putin, speaking at the global climate conference in Paris, said that the decision to shoot down the plane was a "huge mistake" and that he had not met Erdoğan on Monday, despite them both being in Paris.

Relations between Russia and Turkey have nosedived since Russia's violation of Turkish airspace last week.

Turkish officials have shown audio and visual evidence that the Russian SU-24 jet violated Turkish airspace and had been warned repeatedly.

Moscow, on the other hand, says that the aircraft was shot down when it was over Syria, where Russia has been carrying out air campaigns to support the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Putin on Saturday signed a decree imposing economic sanctions on Turkey, while Erdoğan has said that Turkey will not apologise over the incident.

On Monday Russia said the ban would be mainly of agricultural products and it might expand the sanctions if needed.


[h=1]Map, images from Russian military show main routes of ISIS oil smuggling to Turkey[/h]
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The routes of alleged oil smuggling from Syria and Iraq to Turkey © syria.mil.ru


Russia’s Defense Ministry published images and a map it says reveal a chain of oil smuggling to Turkey from Islamic State – from extraction to refining facilities. At least three ISIS oil supply routes were located, all leading to Turkey.
“The General Staff of the Russian Federation Armed Forces has irrefutable evidence of Turkey’s involvement based on aerial and space reconnaissance data,” Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy said during the Defense Ministry briefing on Wednesday.


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The routes of alleged oil smuggling from Syria and Iraq to Turkey © syria.mil.ru



According to Rudskoy, Russia has identified “three main oil transportation routes from ISIS-controlled Syrian and Iraqi territories into Turkey.”
“The western route leads to the Mediterranean ports, the northern route leads to the Batman oil refinery on the Turkish territory and the eastern one leads to a large transfer base in Cizre [Turkey].”
The documents published by the ministry show “the entire chain of oil supply into Turkey - from extraction to refining facilities.”




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The routes of alleged oil smuggling from Syria and Iraq to Turkey © syria.mil.ru



“In total, in their illegal oil smuggling business, terrorists are using at least 8,500 trucks to transport up to 200,000 barrels of oil every day.”
He added that the vehicles with illegal oil that are crossing Turkey are not checked at the border.
“The presented photos, which were taken this August, demonstrate hundreds of oil trucks and heavy vehicles moving both to and from the Turkish border.”
Rudskoy concluded that most of the oil is being transferred from eastern Syria to a large oil refinery plant in Batman, 100km from the Syrian border.







 

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[h=2]Britain bombs Syria: Two waves of Tornado jets use precision warheads to carry out airstrikes on ISIS strongholds - just 57 minutes after MPs vote to attack by massive majority[/h] British fighter jets have returned from their first airstrikes against the ISIS in the terror group's Syria stronghold. The first two Tornado jets deployed - which were sent into action from RAF Akrotiri, in Cyprus, just 57 minutes after MPs voted in favour of military action late last night - are understood to have hit six targets including an ISIS-controlled oil field in the east of the country. When the aircraft returned to the base they were each missing their three precision-guided Paveway bombs. A further two Tornados took off from the base hours later, armed with the same warheads, and returned without one of the 500lb explosives they had been carrying. A Ministry of Defence spokesman confirmed in the early hours of this morning that the sorties have now returned from the 'first offensive operation over Syria and have conducted strikes'. Last night, David Cameron boasted Britain is 'safer' after the House of Commons (bottom right) backed his proposal to extend military action in Syria by 397 votes to 223 - a majority of 174.

 

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Four British Tornados have hit seven targets in eastern Syrian oilfields in the wake of the Commons decision to join military action in an attempt to degrade and destroy Isis forces.
The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, disclosed that the aircraft were using Paveway bombs and had “dealt a real blow” to the Isis-controlled oilfields. The British campaign would not in the first instance be hitting Raqqa, deemed to be the command and control headquarters of Isis, Fallon said, adding that he would personally approve targets.


 

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um, this is interesting.....


[h=2]The war of words continues after Turkey shot down a Moscow warplane with Recep Tayyip Erdogan attacking Russia's accusations that it bought oil from Isil[/h]
The Turkish president has said he has proof that Russia is involved in the illegal oil trade with Isil in Syria as he attacked Russia's claims that Ankara buys oil from Isil.

After Russian military chiefs publicly accused the Turkish government of funnelling millions of dollars in illicit oil revenues to Isil terrorists in Syria and Iraq, Recep Tayyip Erdogan condemned as "immoral" Russian claims that his own family was importing oil from the jihadists.

"We have the proof in our hands. We will reveal it to the world," Mr Erdogan said in a televised address in Ankara.

"In recent days a fashion led by Russia has emerged. Actually, Russia does not believe this either," said Mr Erdogan, referring to the alleged oil trade with Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

"Look, Russia has to prove that the Turkish republic buys oil from Daesh,otherwise this is a slander," he added, using an Arabic acronym for Isil extremists.







things are heating up.......dagone......

 

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