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The downing of a Russian fighter jet on Syria’s Mount Turkmen has thrown the spotlight on to its inhabitants, part of the broader Turkmen community that stretches across northern Syria and Iraq.

In Syria the Turkmen, who are linguistically and ethnically Turkish

They historically objected to the Arab nationalism of the Assad regime’s Baath party, which stressed assimilation to the Arab language and culture. In turn, the regime has frequently regarded them as a fifth column working in favour of Ankara.
Around a dozen Turkmen militias have formed, some directly supported by the
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Turkish[/FONT] government. It is one of these, Alwiya al-Ashar, that is[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]reportedly holding one of Russia's downed pilots[/FONT](probably both were shot down in their parachutes as they descended)



They have been fighting alongside other rebel groups, including the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and more moderate brigades, in Latakia province which runs to the sea along the Turkish border in the north-west.


 

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But they're "the Good Guys"
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Great allies in both World Wars.

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'Obama the Pitiful' sides with Turkey, probably put Turkey up to it. Obama is a threat
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Superbeets: Putin Good Guy:ohno:[h=1]Nemtsov isn't the first Putin critic to end up dead; Kremlin denies targeting foes[/h]By Catherine E. Shoichet and Lynda Kinkade, CNN
Updated 10:19 AM ET, Tue March 3, 2015













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  • Some claim it's no coincidence that critics of Putin and his government have been killed or imprisoned
  • But the Kremlin staunchly denies accusations that it's targeting political opponents



(CNN)Slain Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov isn't the first critic of President Vladimir Putin to turn up dead.

Some Putin opponents claim it isn't a coincidence that critics of the powerful leader and his government have been killed or landed behind bars. But the Kremlin has staunchly denied accusations that it's targeting political opponents or had anything to do with the deaths.
Here's a look at some cases of outspoken critics of Putin's government who've ended up in exile, under house arrest, behind bars or dead.
[h=3]Mikhail Khodorkovsky[/h]The business magnate backed an opposition party and accused Putin of corruption.
He spent more than 10 years behind bars on charges of tax evasion and fraud.
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Russia's history of mysterious murders 00:10



In statements to CNN, Khodorkovsky said his prosecution was part of a Kremlin campaign to destroy him and take control of Yukos, the oil company he built from privatization deals in the 1990s.
The Kremlin denied the accusation. At the time of Khodorkovsky's sentencing, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that "allegations about some kind of selective prosecution in Russia are groundless. Russian courts deal with thousands of cases where entrepreneurs are prosecuted."
Due for release in August 2014, he was released nearly a year earlier, in December 2013, after Putin signed an amnesty decree pardoning him.
His release, along with the pardoning of dissident Russian punk band Pussy Riot and a group of Greenpeace protesters, was widely seen as an attempt to improve the country's image before the Winter Olympics in Sochi last February.
Khodorkovsky is now living in Switzerland. He told CNN's Christiane Amanpour last month that he wants to see regime change in his country.
"I think that my country doesn't deserve a new era of authoritarianism," he said. "But at the same time, I don't want a revolution."
[h=3]Anna Politkovskaya[/h]She was a vocal critic of Russia's war in Chechnya. Her home was a safe place, until it became the scene of her murder.
She was shot four times at the entrance of her Moscow apartment in October 2006.
Last year, a Moscow court sentenced five men to prison for the killing.
Authorities alleged that an unidentified man asked Lom-Ali Gaitukayev, whom the jury found was a mastermind of the slaying, to kill Politkovskaya in exchange for $150,000 because of her reports of human rights violations and other issues, the Moscow city court said.
The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said her work chronicling human rights abuses in Chechnya led to threats against her and angered Russian authorities.
Shortly after her death, Putin denied any Kremlin involvement in her killing, saying that Politkovskaya's "death in itself is more damaging to the current authorities both in Russia and the Chechen Republic ... than her activities."
[h=3]Alexander Litvinenko[/h]The former Russian agent was poisoned by a lethal dose of radioactive polonium, his tea spiked in a London hotel during a meeting with two former Russian security servicemen.
After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, he blamed the agency for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead and led to Russia's invasion of Chechnya later that year.
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UK inquiry into former KGB spy's death opens 02:19



In a statement from his deathbed in London in November 2006, he said he had no doubt about who was to blame for his imminent death.
"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price," Litvinenko said at the time. "You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life."
Officials have always dismissed the accusation as "nonsense," but suspicions linger.
A Russian federal intelligence service spokesman went as far as to say that Moscow had not carried out any "physical liquidation of unwelcome personalities" since the Soviet era.
The two prime suspects in the poisoning, Andrei Lugavoi and Dmitry Kovtun, are Russian nationals. Both are former agents of the Russian security services. But both deny involvement, and the Russian government refuses to extradite either to Britain to face trial.
[h=3]Anastasia Baburova and Stanislav Markelov[/h]In January 2009, a masked man shot and killed Markelov, a Russian human rights lawyer known for his work on abuses by the Russian military in Chechnya.
The gunman also shot Baburova, a journalist from Russia's Novaya Gazeta newspaper, when she tried to intervene.
Markelov was known for his work on high-profile cases. He represented the family of a Chechen woman killed by a former Russian colonel in March 2000.
He held a news conference hours before his death opposing the early release of Col. Yury Budanov, who had been convicted of strangling a Chechen teenage girl and was freed after serving eight years of a 10-year sentence.
At the time, Novaya Gazeta Editor-in-Chief Dmitry Muratov suggested that Baburova was killed when she tried to stop the lawyer's killer, but he said he couldn't dismiss the possibility that she was also a target.
Russian authorities said members of a neo-Nazi group were behind the killings, and two neo-Nazis were convicted for the deaths.
[h=3]Natalya Estemirova[/h]The Chechnya-based human rights activist was kidnapped outside her home there in July 2009 and found dead in the neighboring Russian republic of Ingushetia later the same day.
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Saakashvili: Nemtsov 'one of many' that have died 02:41



Her body was riddled with bullets, Russian prosecutors said -- several shots to the abdomen, and one to the head.
Estemirova had spent years investigating human rights abuses in Chechnya.
She told CNN in 2007 that she was investigating dozens of abductions and murders that had become the norm in Chechnya, where security forces were fighting a dirty war against separatist rebels.
The head of the group Estemirova worked for, Memorial, accuses the Kremlin-backed Chechen leadership of ordering her killing.
Her death drew the ire of European leaders.
"How many more Natalya Estemirovas and Anna Politkovskayas must be killed before the Russian authorities protect people who stand up for the human rights of Russian citizens?" Terry Davis, then the Council of Europe secretary general, said at the time.
The Guardian reported shortly after Estemirova's death that Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov and his aides had threatened her.
Kadyrov denied involvement in her killing, calling it a "monstrous crime" that was carried out to discredit his government.
[h=3]Boris Berezovsky[/h]
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Russian exile's death spurs conspiracies 03:11



The powerful Russian businessman's falling-out with his government left him self-exiled in England.
Berezovsky accused the Kremlin of killing Litvinenko.
And for years, he bankrolled the effort of Litvinenko's widow to push for an inquest into her husband's death.
In 2013, he was found dead inside his house with a noose around his neck.
Was it a suicide? The coroner's office said it could not say.
In 2013, during a phone call to a television show, Putin said he could not rule out that foreign secret services had a role in Berezovsky's death. However, he added that there is no evidence of this.
[h=3]Alexey Navalny[/h]A corruption-fighting lawyer, Navalny famously branded Putin's United Russia party "the party of crooks and thieves."
He has been a prominent organizer of mass street protests and has attacked corruption in Russian government, using his blog and social media.
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Navalny arrested hours after sentencing 02:10



The Kremlin critic was arrested in December just after hours after he was found guilty of fraud in a politically charged trial
Navalny was detained after he broke house arrest and went to join a protest against the court's verdict.
In court, he got a three-and-a-half-year suspended sentence for the fraud conviction, while his brother, Oleg, also convicted of fraud, was given a prison term of the same length.
The brothers denied charges of embezzling 30 million rubles ($540,000) from a Russian subsidiary of French cosmetics company Yves Rocher between 2008 and 2012.
Before the December ruling, he was under house arrest after he was convicted in 2013 of misappropriating $500,000 worth of state-owned timber, in what he told CNN was a fabricated case.
The Telegraph reported that the Kremlin denies fabricating the case. A spokesman for Putin said the President only learned of the sentence from the media.
[h=3]Boris Nemtsov[/h]Nemtsov, 55, was a top official with the Republican Party of Russia/Party of People's Freedom, a liberal opposition group.
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16 photos: World reacts to Boris Nemtsov's killing



He had been arrested several times for speaking against Putin's government. The most recent arrests were in 2011, when he protested the results of parliamentary elections, and in 2012, when tens of thousands protested against Putin.
Most recently, he had been critical of the Kremlin's handling of the Ukraine crisis.
After his death Friday night, opposition leader Ilya Yashin said his friend had been working on a report about Russian troops and their involvement in Ukraine.
In an interview with Newsweek magazine just hours before his death, Nemtsov said Russia was "drowning" under Putin's leadership and was swiftly becoming a fascist state.
"Due to the policy of Vladimir Putin, a country with unparalleled potential is sinking, an economy which accumulated untold currency reserves is collapsing," he said.
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Mourners gather for Nemtsov memorial 03:34



The former deputy prime minister accused Putin of using "Goebbels-style propaganda" -- a reference to Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany's propaganda minister -- to brainwash his countrymen.
Nemtsov was scheduled to lead an opposition rally in Moscow last Sunday. But two days before the event, he was shot dead as he walked home from dinner with his Ukrainian model girlfriend. The killing took place just meters away from the Kremlin.
The Kremlin suggested Nemtsov may have been killed by enemies of Russia intent on creating political discord. But many Nemtsov supporters suspect Putin's administration of involvement.
 

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August 2015 Turkey accused of fighting Kurds in Syria, not ISIL,


Turkey are backing a large number of Jihadist anti Assad groups
ISIS
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]AL-Nusra
[/FONT]Jaish al-Fatah
 

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August 2015 Turkey accused of fighting Kurds in Syria, not ISIL,


Turkey are backing a large number of Jihadist anti Assad groups
ISIS
AL-Nusra
Jaish al-Fatah

For years Turkey used to be secular moderate, an ally the West could count on. Not anymore.

Now they're radical Muslim, just like every other regime across the middle east. Funny how this just happened after Hussein came along.
 

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Erdogan was against Russian intervention from the beginning, this is what he said,

"The steps Russia is taking and the bombing campaign are quite unacceptable to Turkey"


" Unfortunately Russia is making a grave mistake"

"It's actions in Syria are worrying and disturbing. The countries that cooperate with the Syrian regime will be a accountable to history."
 

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For years Turkey used to be secular moderate, an ally the West could count on. Not anymore.

Now they're radical Muslim, just like every other regime across the middle east. Funny how this just happened after Hussein came along.

The whole world is a mess because that clown is in the White House.
 

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Just think.....if Obama was president in 2001......his stance against the Iraq war would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and the world would not be like this now.

Timing is everything.
 

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Erdogan was against Russian intervention from the beginning, this is what he said,

"The steps Russia is taking and the bombing campaign are quite unacceptable to Turkey"


" Unfortunately Russia is making a grave mistake"

"It's actions in Syria are worrying and disturbing. The countries that cooperate with the Syrian regime will be a accountable to history."




Erdogan should be ashamed. Look in the mirror, tough guy...what do you see?


http://www.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7


A US-led raid on the compound housing the Islamic State's "chief financial officer" produced evidence that Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members, Martin Chulov of the Guardian reported recently.
The officer killed in the raid, Islamic State official Abu Sayyaf, was responsible for directing the terror army's oil and gas operations in Syria. The Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) earns up to $10 million a month selling oil on black markets.
Documents and flash drives seized during the Sayyaf raid reportedly revealed links "so clear" and "undeniable" between Turkey and ISIS "that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara," senior Western official familiar with the captured intelligence told the Guardian.
NATO member Turkey has long been accused by experts, Kurds, and even Joe Biden of enabling ISIS by turning a blind eye to the vast smuggling networks of weapons and fighters during the ongoing Syrian war.
 

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Looking now like Russian search and rescue helicopter seeking the pilots shot down by the rebels using US MADE TOW MISSILE.
 

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And no world leader in the last 7 years has killed more terrorists than Obama. But somehow you can't bring yourself to celebrate that, only tie in with the sickos that falsely accuse him of being a Muslim or a Muslim lover. :ohno:


Is this the same Obama who is dropping leaflets warning the rapists and murderers of ISIS who were driving oil tankers to get the fuck out of dodge?
 

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Just think.....if Obama was president in 2001......his stance against the Iraq war would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and the world would not be like this now.

Timing is everything.

What does the Iraq war have to do with Obama going into Libya, and arming Islamic extremists in Egypt and Syria? Based on Obama's track record, he would have used the CIA to arm these same extremists in Iraq to overthrow Saddam.

We'd have about 20 million refugees to deal with instead of 4.

Unfortunately those like you who vote Democrat are too dumb to realize that your party is equally opportunistic in starting wars for political gain.
 

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Yep.

US BACKED 'REBELS' DOWN RUSSIAN HELICOPTER...

He's the biggest clusterfuck ever!


Yes he is, he drops hundred of tons of sophisticated weaponry to groups we really know nothing about. They will pass these on to Jihadist groups either for pure evil intent or more likely money , TOW missiles are easy to transport and will find their way into Europe and be used to shoot down a commercial plane as it is landing or taking off from an airport.
 

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Q: What do you do if you have tied up Assad, Putin, and Erdogan but your gun only has 2 bullets?



















A: Shoot Erdogan TWICE!




No, just a riddle but the dickhead is no better or worse than the other two. Likely he shot the plane down because he's jealous of the other two because they both at this time possess something he wishes to acquire - the power to kill thousands with impunity.


The Big One is coming gents. My money is on Iran starting it but the only thing that would shock me is if peace broke out.
 

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EX NORAD COMMANDER IN ALASKA Thomas G. McInerney analysis

And in his 4.5years in command had the most number of Bear penetrations into air defence identification zone and we would never do anything like Turkey have done.

The Russian plane was not making any manoeuvres to attack the Turkish territory and was probably pressing the limits , but you DON'T SHOOT THEM DOWN, just because of that.


The Turks made a very bad mistake and very poor judgement , I looked at the radar tracking, and they were in Turk territory for 20 to 40 seconds. The plane was heading into Syrian territory and just touched the tip of Turk territory,and for such a trivial amount it was very poor judgement on the Turks part.
 

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