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His unfavorables are pretty high and it is still really early in the process.

The last few times "anti-establishment" candidates have jumped out to early leads, they faded fast

Maybe overall, but I would question if his unfavorables are that much with Conservatives, even though I've read as much in Liberal publications, and everyone know where Fox News stands on him. I don't get too caught up on that nonsense as it's clear the establishment Republicans are doing everything in their power to smear him.
 

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Thats 5D and they're beimg nits. Max is only 100. I thought the CS was trolling.

I've looked at site like intrade and it's the same with Trump behind Bush, and that's market based, so it's not trolling. Unless it's mass trolling by his haters.
 

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So if it's Sanders versus Trump, will we see a third party get some traction?
 

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Maybe overall, but I would question if his unfavorables are that much with Conservatives, even though I've read as much in Liberal publications, and everyone know where Fox News stands on him. I don't get too caught up on that nonsense as it's clear the establishment Republicans are doing everything in their power to smear him.

Well unlike 90% of candidates at this stage, everyone knows who he is and most have formed an opinion of him. That opinion definitely can change. The unfavorabls just show he is a polarizing figure.

So the perceived improbability of an outsider as the nom and that are the main reasons the odds are what they are.

It is the top of the 1st inning still though.
 

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I've looked at site like intrade and it's the same with Trump behind Bush, and that's market based, so it's not trolling. Unless it's mass trolling by his haters.

Yeah there aren't any good exchanges with liquidity now but him basically being on par with walker/Rubio does show that the perception he has no chance is clearly fading.

i was just answering why he is #1 in polls but not odds yet
 

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Jeb has tons of $ so he'll definitely be around awhile but enthusiasm for him so far seems to pretty much be 0
 

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I've looked at site like intrade and it's the same with Trump behind Bush, and that's market based, so it's not trolling. Unless it's mass trolling by his haters.

Maybe it's Bush people working the odds, LOL. I haven't seen a poll yet where he isn't sinking. He's bumbled even the most basic of questions and doesn't look polished at all. And he really makes a fool of himself any time something comes up about W (which you'd think he'd have all his ducks in a row on those).
 

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Maybe it's Bush people working the odds, LOL. I haven't seen a poll yet where he isn't sinking. He's bumbled even the most basic of questions and doesn't look polished at all. And he really makes a fool of himself any time something comes up about W (which you'd think he'd have all his ducks in a row on those).

I doubt Jeb will be nominee, he's like Romney/Cain and I think Republicans are sick of nomination liberals that can't win in the national. Does Trump really want to be president though? Will he pull a Ross Perot?
 

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I doubt Jeb will be nominee, he's like Romney/Cain and I think Republicans are sick of nomination liberals that can't win in the national. Does Trump really want to be president though? Will he pull a Ross Perot?

If the Republicans try to pull any more nonsense like the Fox debate...yes, he will pull a Ross Perot.
 

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Love Bernie!!! The best the Republicans can come up with is Trump? Trump is a clown with no plan, he is a sound byte. Hell even i'm amused by him but he will bury himself with that mouth.

not accurate . You may not like his plan, but there IS a plan...:)




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1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
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Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphletson how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
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In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
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Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
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Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.


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BFL putting the whammy on Trump. Not a bigger political mush on the planet( maybe sheriff joe) than BFL.

Let the landslide bring you down!!!!
 

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This is where Trump started, I took him as soon as he announced


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6/18/15 2:11pm$25.00$500.00Pending7/18/15 8:00am Politics Other Sports 907 Donald Trump is Republican Nominee +2000* <small>vs</small> Field wins Republican Nomination

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Here is what Trump's odds were just 2 days ago:

Donald Trump is Republican Nominee +650
Field wins Republican Nomination -1050*

The odds are constantly dropping on Don Trump as the
big sportsbooks assess the situation.

I think the fact that the Washington Beltway Crew is hammering Trump even more
than the Democrats has the sportsbooks still a little concerned. Afterall, when it
comes right down to the nitty gritty not only are to Democrats trying to destroy
his candidacy but he's taking friendly fire from the Republican establishment.

 

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Do you think it will be Clinton?

Frankly Mrs. Clinton is the most unexciting candidate since Micheal Dukakis, her support is a mile wide
but less than an inch deep I do hope she is the candidate. My only fear is if Biden gets in and gets
Elizabeth Warren's endorsement and she decides to run with him as VP, she seems to be the darling of the looney
left and will create Democrat enthusiasm, there is none now.

Whoever meets Trump in the final it will be no contest, he'll trifle with whoever the far less accomplished
opponent is.
 

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Frankly Mrs. Clinton is the most unexciting candidate since Micheal Dukakis, her support is a mile wide
but less than an inch deep I do hope she is the candidate. My only fear is if Biden gets in and gets
Elizabeth Warren's endorsement and she decides to run with him as VP, she seems to be the darling of the looney
left and will create Democrat enthusiasm, there is none now.

Whoever meets Trump in the final it will be no contest, he'll trifle with whoever the far less accomplished
opponent is.

Kerry was definitely up there. Bush was there for the taking in '04 too. People weren't happy about the economy, lukewarm on Iraq by that time.

I'd have to say he was the least exciting.
 

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This is where Trump started, I took him as soon as he announced

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Here is what Trump's odds were just 2 days ago:

Donald Trump is Republican Nominee +650
Field wins Republican Nomination -1050*

The odds are constantly dropping on Don Trump as the
big sportsbooks assess the situation.

I think the fact that the Washington Beltway Crew is hammering Trump even more
than the Democrats has the sportsbooks still a little concerned. Afterall, when it
comes right down to the nitty gritty not only are to Democrats trying to destroy
his candidacy but he's taking friendly fire from the Republican establishment.



Again in one day the odds are changing in Trumps favor while all the so called competition stays static:

Mon 7/18 901 Jeb Bush is Republican Nominee<input id="editx" name="M1_0" size="4"> +160
8:00AM 902 Field wins Republican Nomination <input id="editx" name="M2_0" size="4"> -210
Mon 7/18 903 Scott Walker is Republican Nominee<input id="editx" name="M1_1" size="4"> +400
8:00AM 904 Field wins Republican Nomination <input id="editx" name="M2_1" size="4"> -600
Mon 7/18 905 Marco Rubio is Republican Nominee<input id="editx" name="M1_2" size="4"> +500
8:00AM 906 Field wins Republican Nomination <input id="editx" name="M2_2" size="4"> -900
Mon 7/18 907 Donald Trump is Republican Nominee<input id="editx" name="M1_3" size="4"> +435
8:00AM 908 Field wins Republican Nomination <input id="editx" name="M2_3" size="4"> -705
Mon 7/18 909 Rand Paul is Republican Nominee<input id="editx" name="M1_4" size="4"> +1600
8:00AM 910 Field wins Republican Nomination <input id="editx" name="M2_4" size="4"> -4800

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right now it's looking like a landslide, a lone giant toying with 16 pygmies. can't wait till
don trump trifles with mrs. Clinton in the presidential debates.



lmfao
 

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