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The mods have ZERO influence on who advertises here or who stays. None of us here sell ads, solicit for them or have any say in when someone gets pulled down early or not. I think RPM might do a little but no other mod gets near the marketing end of this. If any of us feel strongly we can go to Ken with it but that is not our area of responsibility. Not passing the buck just filling you in, General is telling you what he knows. Shrink will have the more informed answer than any of us. He is out of town but I will inform him of this so he can find out what he can. Since we have a lot of you guys playing there and they were an advertiser here at one point that's the least we can do.

Personally not to be hard on SBT but I am not keen on growing pains as a reason for this. Money channels are the lifeblood of any business like this. Every single pay-out you do (or don't do) is a direct reflection on you and your business. Nothing else you can do will be more damaging to your business than not paying as agreed upon on demand. I can buy growing pains as an excuse for a lot of things but money channels are usually developed very early and used regularly enough there should be very few problems as a result of growth. Slow site? Undertrained employees? Not enough parking outside? Sure I can stretch the growing pains response for those, for folks not getting paid it's a little harder to swallow. I suppose it's possible to have the money available and not be able to fulfill your obligations in a timely manner but that would be representative of poor management at the very least. One thing you got to know in dealings with the public, perception is reality. When dealing with gamblers it's even more important as we are more cynical than most to begin with. You can have all the money in the world but if you slow pay people you may as well be out scrounging up post up money as far as the players are concerned. With the level of uncertainty out here to be flush and not getting pay-outs done is almost unexcusable. Come on Barry, we all can make mistakes but let's take care of this if you can.

In fairness to both the players and SBT let's understand we are all just throwing opinions out at this point. That is just how that growing pains comment struck me, it could be true. One thing for certain I admittedly do not have any inside information on this whatsoever. Until Ken or someone more informed can shed some light we should probably give him the benefit of the doubt. Good luck all.
 

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'perception is reality' - I agree, Pat, as well as with flip side 'reality is perception'. Let's hope this will be spoken to and dealt with in a forthright manner, the sooner the better.
 

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Just got back from Western Union. I just picked up 1000 USD from SBT. If there is a problem here, I don't know about it, as I have always been paid on demand. I called up Barry at 3 pm, told him I wanted 1k, sent it immediately via W.U.

And before any of you call me a bonus whore for playing with this book, you couldn't be more wrong here. I sent them 15k, 4 months ago, got one 20% bonus (no referral either) and have not deposited or reupped ever again there. I have cashed out close to 30k there so far, they have always paid me when I asked, and most important, I have given them close to 700 dimes in rollover.

I'd love to see someone call me a bonus whore now
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Sick Gambler loves this place because of the free half point and the 5 cent baseball lines. I have ONLY rolled over my original deposit 40 times. And will continue to play there for as long as they're still around.

Shrink told me Barry is an honest man and when I asked him 2 months ago that i have 30k there, should I be worried, and he said NO..NOT AT ALL..

I am putting my trust in Kenny boy. If they go down, they go down. That is the chance I am willing to take.
 

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Wish I knew more to tell you Jazz. I have only spoken with Barry a few times on the phone and know nothing about him or his operation. If I hear anything I will pass it on.


Sick - is your earlier post an exact copy of your NAB reassurance from a year ago?? LOL. Let's hope it's not another besides the ending how did you like the play Mr Lincoln? I hope we are all just on edge with the other stuff going on and there is nothing to worry about. Bad time for a book to show any weakness though, especially if you are well funded. Won't take much to spook folks these days so make damn sure things are done like they should be. Just my 02 cents.
 

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Patty, tough to answer you when you keep editing your post ever 12 seconds. I am reporting what happened only. I just came back from W.U. and did collect 1k. Don't you want me to re assure the people that they are at least paying up till now. Or do you prefer me to keep it quiet?

Do you want my control # and you can verify it to see if I am making it up? Why the wiseass remarks?
 

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SG: I take you at your word - "you don't know about it". There have been several posts here and across the street saying otherwise. Mr. Clark, when asked directly within this topic yesterday by a poster what the problem was with the poster's slow-pay, Mr. Clark did not answer directly but spoke of 'growing pains'. Mr. Clark then went on to post about 3 more times without speaking to this.

My point is, others know about it, which is why assurrances are a little irrelevant right now. According to clevfan (and please, leave the personal shit out of this), someone she knows has a balance of nearly 30K in the book and is being paid at a rate of 1K per day. No one here, least of all me, WANTS to see any problems at SBT. But when smoke is in the air, you naturally want to ask the fire chief if there's a fire, which is what we're doing.

Let me put it this way - I believe those posters who say they are having problems, and I believe you got paid today.
 

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LOL Judge.

Sick - wiseass remark or an almost exact portrayal of what happened last year? LOL. Sorry man but all that is missing is your patented "I told you so" later post. Let's hope it doesn't come to that this time. I'm not looking to argue and I certainly believe you picked up a dime tonight but that first post struck me just as I said. Reminded me of NAB all over again, just being honest about it. Let's not play the keep a lid on what we can say game huh? I rarely see you shill so strongly for a book so it stands out to me when you do. You must really have a load left in there huh?
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All kidding aside I am glad you are reporting what is going on. We all should be doing that and being honest about it all. No one hopes more than I that all ends up well, I am far from ready to give up on it. However books can not operate like this and expect players to not start getting concerned.
 

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Guys, I've been playing with SBT for a few months. The first couple payouts (Neteller) were smooth as I remember them. But in the last couple month or so it's like pulling teeth. There's just no chance of getting paid without repeated requests done skillfully. It would typically go something like this: Make a 2500 Neteller payout request Monday morning. After hearing nothing, send an email Tuesday afternoon -- where's my cash? Receive email back that they would like to pay me by FedEx check instead. Email back that it has to be by Neteller. Reply would typically say they'll do their best. Probably by Thursday I receive a 1000 payout. Email SBT back about the remaining 1500. Reply back that they will do the rest when they have the funds. I ask approximately when that will be and am told usually they get postups on the weekend, so hopefully Monday. And so on. Incidentally, one of these times I received a partial payment, I never groveled for the rest and never received it. Payout requests are truly that at SBT -- REQUESTS. You have to followup and stay on them to get it all, and it's not usually all at once. This is a nutshell. This all happened not within the last 2 weeks but in the past 2 or 3 months. I am now fully extricated from SBT and plan to stay that way. They basically admitted to me on more than one ocassion that they rely on postups and reloads to make payouts.

I have no agenda here, just wanted to report my experience. Seems pretty clear that this book is tight on funds. Growing pains? Maybe. But sometimes painds precede death, not growth.
 

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Well, thanks, D2, for the kind of detail you provided below.

This isn't business as usual, guys, is it?

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Guys, I've been playing with SBT for a few months. The first couple payouts (Neteller) were smooth as I remember them. But in the last couple month or so it's like pulling teeth. There's just no chance of getting paid without repeated requests done skillfully. It would typically go something like this: Make a 2500 Neteller payout request Monday morning. After hearing nothing, send an email Tuesday afternoon -- where's my cash? Receive email back that they would like to pay me by FedEx check instead. Email back that it has to be by Neteller. Reply would typically say they'll do their best. Probably by Thursday I receive a 1000 payout. Email SBT back about the remaining 1500. Reply back that they will do the rest when they have the funds. I ask approximately when that will be and am told usually they get postups on the weekend, so hopefully Monday. And so on. Incidentally, one of these times I received a partial payment, I never groveled for the rest and never received it. Payout requests are truly that at SBT -- REQUESTS. You have to followup and stay on them to get it all, and it's not usually all at once. This is a nutshell. This all happened not within the last 2 weeks but in the past 2 or 3 months. I am now fully extricated from SBT and plan to stay that way. They basically admitted to me on more than one ocassion that they rely on postups and reloads to make payouts.

I have no agenda here, just wanted to report my experience. Seems pretty clear that this book is tight on funds. Growing pains? Maybe. But sometimes painds precede death, not growth.

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"Payout requests are truly that at SBT -- REQUESTS. "

Ever since the guy I talked to regarding deposits/withdrawal before the hockey season started....JON was very helpful in both emails and deposits/withdrawals - now it seems SportsBettingTrivia is reaching a NEW LOW...
 

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I have no reason to not believe D2 and I will press Shrink to do all we can to make people fully aware of this. Sorry guys but why is it fair to let others come in later and get shafted so you all can get paid. Not my call but if D2 does not have an agenda here this is good enough for me to make some noise about this place. This thread is probably doing plenty enough as is, no doubt there is surefire trouble here. Incredible. I hope it can still be worked out somehow but it's pointless to try and pretend this does not exist.

Sick - your post did more damage than good. Never EVER post good things about a shop you are trying to get money out of. Just a tip. I had a bad feeling the second I read that from you and I probably was not alone. Sitting on information and praying is almost socially acceptable in the posting world but actively leading sheep to the slaughter in hopes you can get paid is over the line. It was the first time you did it and it still is tonight. Anyway let's all pray together now....
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OK, I am leaning more and more to the fact that SBT is in some sort of financial trouble.

1. Numerous reports of run arounds by this book in terms of payment procedures.
2. Sick taking a measly 1,000 dollar payout. HUH? Why such a small payout Sick? Your my bro! Give me some data pal.
3. This book offered some great numbers, half-points, bonuses, sports contests, etc.,etc. and for what I would presume is a small book, could spell trouble. By just browsing the various forums I get the indication alot of sharpies played here and did well.

To me this looks like a troubled book more and more as the facts present themselves.....at least to this observer. Just my feeling gang, make your own assumptions.
 

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Pat, if there's one thing I'm as sure of offshore as anything else, it's that I can believe D2bets, and if he says he has no agenda, I'd back him to the end.
 

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Well, if you noticed, I never told anyone to deposit there. I am telling you that I have withdrew 30k from there. And that is NO lie. I am telling you that I just picked up 1k at W.U. just now. And I am expecting more to be sent Monday and Tuesday. I am not worried here. If I get stiffed, I get stiffed, big f uck. This book has been good to me up til now with the 5 cent baseball line and the middles I have caught. When I first signed up there, I knew this wasn't going to be an Olympic, and I gambled on it. I calculated the odds of a stiff, vs the return on my dollar with the value i've been getting, and so far, I am the winner.

I do NOT recommend anyone to send them any money till the problems end. Till then, if you want, I will report everytime i make a payout.

Bottom line.. DO NOT send any money to this book yet. Lets wait it out and see.
 

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Fish,

I ONLY withdrew 1k because I do want to leave some funds in there to play with. If i do get stiffed, well, NOTHING i can do. I am willing to gamble on it. I am getting 2k sent to me early next week, which will be sent for sure according to Barry. Call me crazy, but I believe him. He told me he'd call me back with the control # today, thought he was pulling my leg, and bam, my phone rings.

And the only reason I am there today is because THE SHRINK told me 2 months ago this guy was solid. I believe in reputation. A stiff is a stiff. But if a stand up guy like Kenneth tells me he is solid, I am believing him.
 

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