This may make me re-think my non-belief in God.

[barman]

....if god really did say these things wouldnt he speak to the people in phrases that they understood. or would he say "you see in 2000 years we will have rockets that fly into space and the earth is round so, there really is no east and west because it all goes in a circle"?

Well at least you're starting to get it.

"God" did not in fact say any of the things ascribed to Her throughout the man-authored Holy Bible. Thinking that She did is what has helped produce a few thousand years of strife and unrest between various factions of humankind.

 

[CapNCash]

Well at least you're starting to get it.

"God" did not in fact say any of the things ascribed to Her throughout the man-authored Holy Bible. Thinking that She did is what has helped produce a few thousand years of strife and unrest between various factions of humankind.

Barman you got to stop with the I know how the universe was created attitude and i know there is no god.

It takes just as much faith to believe all life evolved from dust as to believe there is a god that created life. The truth is none of us know for sure.

 

[barman]

Relax, Cap

I for one am a strong believer in God and also an acolyte of the Christian gospel.

I am not, however, a strong believer that the Holy Bible is much more than a collection of allegorical fables and metaphorical summaries from centuries past.

 

[Hitman26]

CapnCash:


There is nothing I can say to you that will ever change your mind because I'm trying to use science and more importantly theory to discredit what is written in the bible to explain why I believe what I believe. You are using faith and some belief that you feel in your soul that is extremely important to you. It's apples and oranges. I can't change that feeling in your soul and I don't want to try. I believe religion works for most people by giving them a moral compass to follow and justifying just how important every person thinks they are and that they need to live forever. I've come to accept that when I die, that is it for me.

When I try to argue with someone that I feel like the earth is well over 10,000 years old and not less than 5,000 which is dated in the bible by going backwards, I can't prove it because I wasn't there 4 million years ago. All I can believe the most scientific minds who theorize that the earth is over 4 billion years old based on math and science. My favorite argument ever was with a man who said that he thought that when God created the earth in 7 days, that each "day" really meant a super long period of time which validates that the earth may in fact be over 4 billion years old. That is when it struck me that I can never win an argument against "faith".



Later

 

[festeringZit]

There is so much misinformation and ignorance in this thread,
I don't know where to start.

Funny how people think they can do some google search and
all of a sudden they are an expert on Biblical criticism.

Hitman using really lame verses of the Bible to somehow
claim that the Bible teaches that the earth is square.

Here is another concept that plebes misconstrue, the Bible uses
human terms to describe God - so that we can comprehend
what God is like, it's called anthropomorphism.

Otherwise people would say this verse teaches that God is a
bird:

1. Psalm 57:1, "Be gracious to me, O God, be gracious to me, for my soul takes refuge in Thee; and in the shadow of Thy wings I will take refuge, until destruction passes by."

Funny how the great institutions of learning: Harvard, Yale, Princeton - were all Christian institutions, filled with brilliant minds that understood
how to interpret and study the Bible, but now in our "enlightened"
society, ignorant minds think they can find some blurb on google,
and that proves the Bible is false.

Hermeneutics - The art and science of Biblical interpretation

 

[festeringZit]

Well at least you're starting to get it.

"God" did not in fact say any of the things ascribed to Her throughout the man-authored Holy Bible. Thinking that She did is what has helped produce a few thousand years of strife and unrest between various factions of humankind.

A reminder that Barman belongs to the "Unity Cult" which teaches
that there is no such thing as sin, sickness and death - they teach
that they are all a figment of one's imagination.

So, he obviously has absolutely no credibility when talking about
spiritual matters.

He also believes he can talk to any dead person that ever lived:

Barman claims to be a Christian, but his cult and it's teachings are expressly
forbidden in Judeo-Christian teachings throughout the centuries:

• Deuteronomy 18:10-13
  Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God.(NIV)

 

[festeringZit]

You are using circular logic. There are very few sources outside of the bible that discuss Jesus and their veracity is questionable to say the least. The Bible's main validater is the Bible.

As someone who appears to be searching for what to believe, I urge you to read arguments from both sides. You could start by comparing the similarities between Jesus and Pagan gods that predated him by hundreds, even thousands of years. Osiris is a particularly interesting comparison.

2500 years before Christ, Osiris:

• was born of a virgin as the son of god on Dec. 25th
• turned water into wine
• had 12 disciples
• died for the sins of the world
• descended into Hell after his death
• was resurrected after 3 days
• will return in the end times to judge mankind

These are just some of the major comparisons. There are many more. The Jesus story also holds strong parallels to Dionysus, Horus, Attis, the Hindu Khrisna (sounds kinda like "christ", doesn't it?), and others.

Looking at the historical evidence, it's obvious that the Christ myth was copied from other religions. There is very little about Jesus that is original, if anything at all.

You really have to contort logic to believe that there is one religion that is right while thousands of others are wrong. Hell, there are 30,000 different sects of Christianity, many of which thinks that the others are not "true Christians" and that they are the only ones going to Heaven.

If Jesus/Christianity is the one true religion, then God is a bumbling fool who does a poor job of getting his message out.

The Bible was written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. In the 21st century when we have robots on Mars, men on the moon, and a spacecraft that is currently travelling beyond our solar system, it just boggles my mind that we haven't outgrown this Bronze Age need to believe in something bigger than ourselves.

It's mythology, dude. Get over it.

People who really do their homework on this issue find that Paganism,
mythology, Mythraism actually stole a lot of the concepts from
Judaism/Christianity.

We already debunked this BS when HeatOhio/RealEstateDonk pushed
it on here a couple months ago.

next...

 

[festeringZit]

You are using circular logic. There are very few sources outside of the bible that discuss Jesus and their veracity is questionable to say the least. The Bible's main validater is the Bible.

As someone who appears to be searching for what to believe, I urge you to read arguments from both sides. You could start by comparing the similarities between Jesus and Pagan gods that predated him by hundreds, even thousands of years. Osiris is a particularly interesting comparison.

2500 years before Christ, Osiris:

• was born of a virgin as the son of god on Dec. 25th
• turned water into wine
• had 12 disciples
• died for the sins of the world
• descended into Hell after his death
• was resurrected after 3 days
• will return in the end times to judge mankind

These are just some of the major comparisons. There are many more. The Jesus story also holds strong parallels to Dionysus, Horus, Attis, the Hindu Khrisna (sounds kinda like "christ", doesn't it?), and others.

Looking at the historical evidence, it's obvious that the Christ myth was copied from other religions. There is very little about Jesus that is original, if anything at all.

You really have to contort logic to believe that there is one religion that is right while thousands of others are wrong. Hell, there are 30,000 different sects of Christianity, many of which thinks that the others are not "true Christians" and that they are the only ones going to Heaven.

If Jesus/Christianity is the one true religion, then God is a bumbling fool who does a poor job of getting his message out.

The Bible was written by people who didn't know where the sun went at night. In the 21st century when we have robots on Mars, men on the moon, and a spacecraft that is currently travelling beyond our solar system, it just boggles my mind that we haven't outgrown this Bronze Age need to believe in something bigger than ourselves.

It's mythology, dude. Get over it.

"You are using circular logic. There are very few sources outside of the bible that discuss Jesus and their veracity is questionable to say the least. The Bible's main validater is the Bible."

This is a blatant lie, which I have debunked on here numerous times.

 

[Hitman26]

Zit:


Ok..... you are right. My bad.

 

[barman]

Getting back on the lead Topic, I'm sure most of us can concur that Coulter getting her jaw wired shut due to a drunken stumble demonstrates that God is showing Her eternal sense of humor