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This is undeniable to me - their sole action was to interfere with their country's actiions in this conflict - throw them in jail, give 'em a year or so in the slammer ... this crossed the line from peaceful protest to actions detrimental to not only the ship but to whatever mission they were on ... these weren't innocent, freckle-faced teenagers doing this - read the article ...

Australian PM embarrassed as anti-war protest halts Iraq-bound warship

SYDNEY (AFP) - An Australian warship set sail for the Gulf with a "No War" banner attached to its bow after two daring peace activists clambered up the hull in a spectacular anti-war protest here.

They were arrested with 10 other protesters after a Sydney Harbour blockade by flotilla of small boats forced the guided-missile frigate HMAS Sydney to stop, disrupting its departure for an hour and causing acute embarrassment to Prime Minister John Howard.

Howard, a staunch supporter of the US campaign to oust the Iraqi regime, had minutes earlier farewelled the ship with its 230-strong crew on their way to war in Iraq (news - web sites).

News footage showed one protester, named by Greenpeace as Mike Rosato, 30, climbing up the hull of the warship after a rope and grappling hook were thrown to the bow rail from one of the protest boats.

Then he unfurled the banner and clung by harness to the hull for half an hour until police and navy forced him down.

A second protester, Sarah Roberts, 25, climbed up the stern of the vessel was quickly taken down by police using bolt cutters.

A police officer sustained a suspected broken rib in the incident which occurred despite intensive security at the farewell ceremony which was attended also by Defence Minister Robert Hill and defence force chief, General Peter Cosgrove.

Security had been stepped up around landmarks and key infrastructure after a similar incident in which two anti-war protesters painted "NO WAR" on the top of the Sydney Opera House on the day the war started last month.

A furious Howard lashed out Tuesday, saying the protesters had no consideration for the sailors or their families.

"These clowns ought to understand that and if they think that's winning support to their cause, they're very badly mistaken," he told a Sydney radio station.

"I hope the news outlets of Australia suitably downgrade the coverage they give to this sort of stupid behaviour."

The frigate was forced to stop as water police moved in to remove the protesters from the hull and arrest their comrades in small boats.

One of the protesters, New South Wales state Greens MP, Ian Cohen, was arrested as he tried to paddle a surfboard towards the warship while it was pulling away from a naval base here.

Howard earlier thanked the Sydney's crew for their service, saying it was a proud moment for the navy.

"It is my hope that during your time, in the not too distant future, the really hostile part of the war to disarm Iraq will have terminated," Howard told sailors and their families.

"But that does not mean there will not be very important work following the formal cessation of hostilities."

Defence spokesman Brigadier Mike Hannan said security at the farewell ceremony was mainly a matter for the police but the defence force supported the right of people to protest.

"It's an important part of our democracy, but this is a dangerous thing to do and we really think we'd discourage it from that point of view," he said.

Greenpeace activist James Courtney said the protest was aimed at sending a message to Australian troops that they should return from what he described as "an illegal and immoral war."

He said the protesters were all highly trained and capable people who took part in the action to try to stop the ship going off to the Gulf.
 

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Well, at least these protesters aren't afraid to put their lives on the line for what they believe in.

Unlike many of the conservatives on this board--most of whom probably never served their country, but then have the nerve to call for war. They are nothing but a bunch of cowards & shirkers IMO
 

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Jazz,

I don't know if they should be jailed or not but this shit is funny. Thanks, and I mean that seriously not cynically. this article made me laugh out loud, it souds like something out of a Monty Python movie.
 

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Lol - right. How many times are you going to beat that drum and repeat that mantra, which is baseless and incredibly insulting to people who are not cowards and nonetheless amazingly don't agree with you, before you realize your attack reveals a lot more about your character than it does ours?

Have I ever called you or any other person a coward for their beliefs?

Concerning these protestors: please, don't make me laugh, the protestors were not 'putting their lives on the line', they knew full well the likelihood of them getting killed was remote to the extreme, because regardless of what protestors think, the military does not target civilians. And no, I don't think it's honorable that they committed acts like this - I think it's despicable.

Funny - the only injury I was reported was to a policeman, but you gave no praise to HIM for risking his life in what HE believed in (nor the soldiers).
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Jazz, I see that the truth hurts, doesn't it? Be a man and admit there are many conservatives who were too lazy and afraid to serve in uniform.

Gee it’s ok for the right to call liberals scum and traitors isn’t it? But if you’re going to dish it out, you should be able to take it.

You and the others are welcome to post a copy of your DD214 and I'll stop "repeating my mantra". And if you have to ask, well . . .

Like I said, if you didn't step up to the plate, you are nothing but a coward and a shirker. I'm sure the men and women in Iraq like your support, but they know there are many arm chair warriors who would gladly let others spill their blood. It’s despicable IMO, and it’s time to call these cowards out and tell the world exactly what they are.
 
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This is simply great. Irony defined.
Technically, war materials are taxpayer financed. I don't see how hanging a banner on something that you helped pay for is a crime.
It isn't the private sector nor private property.
 

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Actually what made me laugh more than anything else was...

"SYDNEY (AFP) - An Australian warship set sail for the Gulf with a "No War" banner attached to its bow..."

I didn't really give a second thought to the cop. To put it as nicely as possible you could say I strongly dislike cops and basically look at them as a necessary evil.
 

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killer: please, don't make me laugh any more - really. Thanks. Your 'argument' is pathetic and is certainly not adhered to by the vast majority of servicemen, and none of them I've met, including my 2 brothers, uncle and nephew, who have served. You have no idea who I am or what I've done, but you judge me and my motives solely on the basis on your cynicism. I'm sorry to have to explain it to you, Killer, your parents or teachers should have, but in the United States we have the freedom to choose, whether to serve, what opinions we have, who we elect, etc - it is not determined by you. Get off your high horse and quit calling people cowards who haven't served who don't support your views - I notice you left out those who do. You are incredibly hypocritical.

Go ahead, call everyone cowards - that means you've lost the debate in your frustration over others having opposing viewpoints. Your problem, not mine.

kaya: yeah, none of that was aimed at you - it was pretty funny conceptually.

radio: you are a true master of redefining the argument in your terms! If you actually think this is an issue of access to public property, then by definition you also must think that it's perfectly acceptable to allow protestors into nuclear reactor rooms, military bases, cockpits of B2 bombers, etc - all paid for by state or federal taxes. This was Australia anyway, I have no idea what their particular laws are, but if you actually believe what you just typed, I imagine you have never tried the above in the U.S. and have no concept of law.

Are you one of those nuts who thinks the Consititution guarantees we don't have to pay ANY federal tax, and lives in some bunker with survivalist supplies?
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I think that allowing a protestor into a nuclear reactor room and having one hang a banner on a warship are two very different things.

The former involves the possibility of injury to many people. The latter does not and should be a guaranteed liberty.

Seriously, what do you care? How does this act "endanger" your views on the war (or anyone else's, for that matter)?

What are the pro-war types so scared of...?

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radio: who said it endangered my view on the war???? Where do you come up with questions like these?

I said these protestors crossed a line when they interfered with an actual military ship going out on duty. Hanging a banner sounds really innocent, real cutesy, until you realize that the men and women on that ship had no idea whether those protestors were armed or had explosives strapped to them or hidden in their boat.

Protesting while the ship is disembarking is a completely different thing than interfering with a military ship and putting the crew into a hazardous situation in which they not only had to protect the protestors but also themselves.

You call that being 'scared'?

Whatever happened to the 'responsibilities' that these protestors have as citizens of their countries, in addition to all the 'rights' they freely exercise? Oh, yeah, there ARE no responsibilities, just rights - I forgot.
 
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until you realize that the men and women on that ship had no idea whether those protestors were armed or had explosives strapped to them or hidden in their boat.

This offers no reason to take away a liberty to protest.

Whatever happened to the 'responsibilities' that these protestors have as citizens of their countries, in addition to all the 'rights' they freely exercise?

Jazz, you're assuming these protestors are lazy college students from the upper crust. Read the reports, this is a universal protest. Long gone is the image of the hippie slacker, because if this were true, I'd be more likely to agree with you.
 

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radio: the hell it doesn't - Australia is involved in an armed conflict and the protestors chose to interfere with a warship - I'd love to know what specific 'right' they were operating under when they did that to a warship. I never disputed their right to protest at the dock.

radio, you really are getting lazy - go back and read my first post, I not only never said that about college students but the article says this - hardly college students (one was 30, the other 25):

"Greenpeace activist James Courtney said the protest was aimed at sending a message to Australian troops that they should return from what he described as "an illegal and immoral war."

He said the protesters were all highly trained and capable people who took part in the action to try to stop the ship going off to the Gulf.
 
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speaking of laziness, read carefully... You might not have actually made aforesaid comments about the protestors, but you certainly make clear what you really think about them through your language.

Point being, they're doing much more than you (or I) to change the course of this war.

And you cannot arrest someone based on what they MIGHT do. they did nothing to the ship and are therefore innocent. After all, the ship DID set sail, no?
 

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radio: you changed the subject - my point was that I never called them lazy college students - you implied I did. I didn't.

"Point being, they're doing much more than you (or I) to change the course of this war."

No, they're not. The ones who are changing the course of the war are in the military. Their actions won't have any effect whatsoever on the war - please explain exactly how they could?

"And you cannot arrest someone based on what they MIGHT do. they did nothing to the ship and are therefore innocent. After all, the ship DID set sail, no?"

I can't believe you said this. You cannot arrest someone based on what they MIGHT do? I think trespassing would be an example of what they actually did, as well as any law they may have broken. Those were boats in the water approaching a warship with unknown intent and cargo - I would imagine there are laws governing their actions, and I also have got to bet they were warned of that by bullhorn.

I'll check around and see if there's more to this story, but I would imagine boarding a warship without authorization is definitely trespassing, and continued approach after being warned off is as well.
 
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A protestor does more than anyone who does nothing to change the course of this war (toward peace). The military only plots the course.
How can you change the course of anything if you aren't allowed to question?
 
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until you realize that the men and women on that ship had no idea whether those protestors were armed or had explosives strapped to them or hidden in their boat.

We cannot let our fear on 9/11-esque events be the justification for the theft of civil liberties.
 

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trespassing in direct violation of a law is not a fear of 9/11 events - radio, terrorist bombings have occurred against US and other country's interests for decades, 9/11 was only the most dramatic example of it - but to suggest boarding a military vessel during a time of conflict is simple protest is, well, silly and ingenuous.

Tell you what - send that same protestor to Kuwait, the one who hung the banner, give him a similar banner and have him drive a pickup truck up to a tank, climb out and put the banner up. I'd like to see him explain he was only protesting the war.
 

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KillerWaterMelon,

Regarding your comment on calling us conservative cowards, I do not see you protesting or putting your life at for anti-war. The arrow shoots both ways.

If you want to call me a coward fine, but then you are also a coward.
 

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Yeah these protesters are having free speech on my dime, while i am working and paying taxes these asshole are tying up cops and everything else..They should have to pay the cops ot instead of me.
 

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