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I wish you all the best this season and may all your predictions come true.

I will be posting exclusively in a European Forum begining this weekend.

For some odd reason, there is a notion that it is impossible to handicap football. So I thought it would be fitting to leave you with what I do and use to handicap. It’s what I call “Predict Modeling” or (PM). I have this model running primarily on the EPL, but I do stray to other leagues from time to time.

***This is a good time to leave the thread if you don't believe in handicapping.***


The Everest we face when handicapping football is determining what data we should use to successfully improve our wagering choices in predicting the outcome of matches. I will provide you with links to the sources that I use and hopefully it can complement the current sources that you use to have a winning season.

What I have found is that most predictions are based on percentages. For example, “What is the percent likelihood that Liverpool will beat Manchester United?” Then a wager is placed on the higher likelihood. The other method is based on goals scored by a club. If one team’s average goals scored outweighs the opponents goals scored then the wager is made on the higher scoring team. These are very primitive forms of wagering but they still continue today and are what subliminally motivates a bettor to compare the lines offered by sports books to these simple evaluations.

I use a Technical Model and adapt or tweak the results with Fundamental data such as injuries, a jammed schedule, weather, problems at the club management level such as financial, news from local reporters and other non-technical variables.

For starters, as I mentioned in a prediction recently between Canada vs. Cuba that I have an associate whose brother (a Canadian Kid) works the Soccer book at Pinnacle in Turks & Cacaos. He basically said that they massage their logarithms regularly from a standard log to produce the lines we see posted. With this in mind I never look at the lines before I run the model.

I also use statistical computing software to PM, which I am constantly manipulating with data that will be revealed shortly to produce my model predictions. The FREE Open Source Software I use comes from “The R Project” (www.r-project.org). If you are not technologically savvy, I suggest you make friends with someone who is and work the code and add your own variables to create your own PM.

The main data that I capture and update in PM’ing is:

· Home Record
· Away Record
· Goals Scored
· Goals Conceded
· Goal Differential
· No Friendlies
· Where the team finished on the table last season
· Where the team is on the table this season

You may choose other variables (more or less). I suggest that you use a certain amount of seasons to train your model (I used five seasons).
Now, after the data is run through the log, I get a few results and apply the Fundamental portion to the matches to finalize the input data.

In the end, the PM spits out one of three basic results: Home, Draw or Away.

Sources of Data

http://predict.7msport.com/en/ (Ignore their predictions just use the data)

www.rsssf.com/histdom.html (Historical Results)

www.quora.com (It’s a knowledge sharing community that will help you)

***No I will not give you my program, it is proprietary***




LIVE Wagering

I see that some of you like to chase or wait to see how a match develops before making a decision and thus Live Wagering is the option for you. I don’t subscribe to this type of wagering but if you are inclined this is the information you will be interested in.

The data below is courtesy of Mr. Brocker and it may not be the solution you are looking for, however it is helpful if you are inclined to wager LIVE. I would suggest using it as a guide, but apply your own judgment of how the match is progressing to determine your final choice. I just thought it may help so I thought to include the charts.

Home & Away Winning Percentages
Below are the winning percentages for home and away clubs over the last 5 seasons. The winning rates of home clubs varies from league to league, with the overall potential for the home club to come away with a victory about 1.65 times greater than their away opponents.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
47.0%
26.2%
26.8%
The Championship
43.7%
28.7%
27.6%
Primera
49.8%
23.1%
27.1%
Serie A
47.6%
27.2%
25.2%
Bundesliga
45.5%
24.9%
29.6%
Ligue One
44.4%
29.6%
26.0%
Eredivisie
49.5%
22.6%
27.9%
SPL
42.6%
24.7%
32.7%
TOTAL
46.2%
26.2%
27.6%
Over & Under Goal Totals
The chart below shows the percentage of games that ended over 1.5 goals, 2.5 goals and 3.5 goals across the 8 leagues the last 5 seasons. We can see that both the Bundesliga and Eredivisie have seen the greater share of matches ending over 2.5 goals, with the 8 league total being just under 50% for matches ending Over 2.5 goals since 2007-2008.

  1. League

  1. Over 1.5 Goals

  1. Over 2.5 Goals

  1. Over 3.5 Goals
Premier League
75.6%
50.7%
28.3%
The Championship
73.8%
47.4%
26.0%
Primera
75.5%
52.0%
29.1%
Serie A
73.3%
46.6%
25.8%
Bundesliga
78.2%
55.4%
32.6%
Ligue One
70.4%
42.3%
21.6%
Eredivisie
80.6%
57.1%
38.3%
SPL
72.5%
47.7%
24.1%
TOTAL
74.8%
49.5%
27.9%
Scoring
The table below offers us a range of different scoring stats. We can see the percentage of matches that saw the home club score first, the away club score first and the percentage of matches that ended in a scoreless draw. We can also see the percentage of matches in which both clubs scored as well as the percentage of matches in which the home club failed to score as well as the percentage of matches in which the away team failed to score.

  1. League

  1. Home Scores 1st

  1. Away Scores 1st

  1. Scoreless Draw

  1. Both Score

  1. Home Scoreless

  1. Away Scoreless
Premier League
54.3%
37.7%
8.0%
51.0%
22.2%
34.8%
The Championship
51.7%
40.2%
8.1%
52.6%
22.9%
32.5%
Primera
55.8%
37.1%
7.1%
51.3%
20.9%
35.0%
Serie A
54.2%
37.6%
8.2%
50.9%
22.2%
35.1%
Bundesliga
53.8%
39.8%
6.4%
55.1%
20.3%
31.0%
Ligue One
54.5%
35.0%
10.5%
48.3%
24.1%
38.1%
Eredivisie
54.8%
39.9%
5.3%
53.6%
19.8%
31.9%
SPL
51.7%
39.6%
8.7%
47.1%
27.6%
34.0%
TOTAL
53.8%
38.3%
7.9%
51.4%
22.4%
34.1%
Halftime-Fulltime
The table below shows the breakdown of halftime-fulltime results across the 8 leagues the last 5 seasons. It shows the percentage of matches that ended with each combination of result.

  1. League

  1. Home W-W

  1. Home W-D

  1. Home W-L

  1. Home D-W

  1. Home D-D

  1. Away D-W

  1. Away W-L

  1. Away W-D

  1. Away W-W
Premier League
29.3%
4.9%
1.8%
15.5%
16.2%
9.4%
2.2%
5.1%
15.7%
The Championship
25.5%
5.7%
1.8%
15.5%
17.4%
9.9%
2.7%
5.5%
15.9%
Primera
29.7%
4.3%
1.7%
17.1%
14.7%
10.1%
3.0%
4.0%
15.4%
Serie A
28.3%
5.6%
1.6%
16.6%
16.3%
11.0%
2.7%
5.4%
12.6%
Bundesliga
27.9%
5.2%
2.2%
15.6%
14.1%
10.7%
1.9%
5.6%
16.8%
Ligue One
26.6%
5.8%
1.9%
15.6%
19.4%
10.3%
2.2%
4.5%
13.8%
Eredivisie
31.9%
5.0%
2.1%
14.6%
13.0%
11.4%
3.0%
4.6%
14.5%
SPL
28.0%
5.0%
2.0%
13.2%
16.1%
13.1%
1.5%
3.7%
17.6%
TOTAL
28.2%
5.2%
1.9%
15.6%
16.1%
10.5%
2.4%
4.9%
15.2%
Winning Percentage When Home Team Leads At Halftime
Let's take our halftime-fulltime stats a little further. The chart below shows the winning percentages for both home and away teams when the home team was leading at halftime. As we can see, the chances of an away club coming back to win when trailing at the half have been fairly slim.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
81.3%
13.6%
5.1%
The Championship
77.2%
17.3%
5.5%
Primera
83.2%
12.1%
4.7%
Serie A
79.8%
15.7%
4.5%
Bundesliga
79.1%
14.6%
6.3%
Ligue One
77.6%
16.8%
5.6%
Eredivisie
81.8%
12.8%
5.4%
SPL
80.1%
14.2%
5.7%
TOTAL
79.9%
14.8%
5.3%
Winning Percentage When Match Is Drawn At Halftime
The table below shows the winning percentages for both home and away teams when the match is drawn at the half. Overall, the chances of the home team winning when the scores are tied at the half is about 1.50 times greater than for the away team.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
37.7%
39.5%
22.8%
The Championship
36.1%
40.7%
23.2%
Primera
40.8%
35.2%
24.0%
Serie A
37.9%
37.1%
25.0%
Bundesliga
38.7%
34.9%
26.4%
Ligue One
34.5%
42.8%
22.7%
Eredivisie
37.3%
33.3%
29.4%
SPL
31.2%
37.9%
30.9%
TOTAL
36.9%
38.1%
25.0%
Winning Percentage When Away Team Leads At Halftime
We now take a look at the winning percentages of both home and away teams when the away team leads at the half. The chances of the home club coming back to win the match are slim, although over the last 5 seasons, it has been around twice as likely as an away club coming back when trailing at the half.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
9.4%
22.1%
68.5%
The Championship
11.1%
23.0%
65.9%
Primera
13.2%
17.9%
68.9%
Serie A
13.0%
26.0%
61.0%
Bundesliga
7.8%
23.1%
69.1%
Ligue One
10.7%
21.7%
67.6%
Eredivisie
13.6%
20.7%
65.7%
SPL
6.5%
16.0%
77.5%
TOTAL
10.8%
21.6%
67.6%
Winning Percentage When Home Team Scores First
So let's take a look at the winning percentages for both home and away clubs when the home team scores first. We can see that the chanes of the away team winning when they surrender the first goal is slight. Of course, when that first goal is scored has a major impact on those chances.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
74.8%
17.1%
8.1%
The Championship
71.6%
20.6%
7.8%
Primera
75.6%
16.4%
8.0%
Serie A
76.0%
17.1%
6.9%
Bundesliga
73.4%
17.0%
9.6%
Ligue One
72.5%
19.6%
7.9%
Eredivisie
74.9%
16.1%
9.0%
SPL
72.9%
17.1%
10.0%
TOTAL
73.9%
17.9%
8.2%
Winning Percentage When Away Team Scores First
Let's conclude by taking a look at the winning percentages of both home and away teams when the away team scores first. Again, while the chances of the home club winning after giving up the first goal, they are around twice as likely to do so compared to when the away club surrenders first.

  1. League

  1. Home Win

  1. Draw

  1. Away Win
Premier League
16.8%
23.6%
59.6%
The Championship
16.5%
24.9%
58.6%
Primera
20.5%
18.2%
61.3%
Serie A
17.1%
25.9%
57.0%
Bundesliga
15.1%
23.3%
61.6%
Ligue One
13.9%
24.0%
62.1%
Eredivisie
21.2%
21.0%
57.8%
SPL
12.5%
17.8%
69.7%
TOTAL
16.8%
22.7%
60.5%
Final Thoughts
The statistical breakdowns offered in this article are indeed broad. Not every football match is alike in our expectation of results. For example, while the win rate is just under 75% for home clubs that score first in the Premier League, we should anticipate a marked difference in winning expectations for Chelsea scoring first at home to Wigan as opposed to Wigan scoring first at home to Chelsea. Similarly, at which time of the match the first goal is scored will impact such chances.

In conclusion, there is a lot of information that goes into PM’ing which includes watching, loving the game and understanding football.


To simply watch a line move or wager against the public may get you a win or two but it will defeat you in the long run. That’s not a system.... that’s guessing and hoping.

Posters like RR11, Dials, AC, Pockets, Roll and many others I do not know spend a considerable amount of time researching, watching, learning and applying their information to handicapping. It pays off in the long run.

The only thing that I do not factor into my model is match fixing. However, it is something that I am very much interested in factoring if I can embrace a real statistical number to input.

Unfortunately the soccer forum has become too Covers Like for me and the Mods have “no balls” (for lack of a better term - sorry guys nothing personal just a reflection of your inability to be proactive and reactive) I guess you have to please your advertisers.

Best of Luck and don’t forget, “The Fix is In!” :) LOL

[video=youtube;BuJ8lugwiYc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BuJ8lugwiYc[/video]

!~))!
 

When U Win Say Nothing. When U Lose Say Even L
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LOL. you sir have no balls. adios. I'll hold it down for you don't worry. I never heard of you til yesterday and you leave because of me? wow. Emotional like a woman. You a female?

Thank you for your kind response. However, I am not leaving... just not posting predictions, it is clearly stated in the title and the second line of my thread. IMHO, The Mods are just too appeasing for my liking and this has always been a secondary destination for my posts. I have been posting in Europe for three years now, (of course you don't know that and it's not your fault) nothing will change other than the fact that I will not post here.

The Rx has been a quiet soccer forum with great posters who are linked to soccer in the real world (as I am), that really contribute to the benefit of all and I have respect and admiration for many in here. I will be peeking in on the members whos handicapping I respect and follow, I just will won't post my predictions here.

Best of Luck in your wagering, I truly hope you are successful and positive in your endeavor to win more than you lose.

Stay Classy!
 

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i totally understand what you are saying ... this is one of the weirdest forums
were people turn on each other even though we are all amateur punters. Some
European forums turn ugly with racism, hatred, etc...but the guys that just post
negative reaction to losing picks get the boot quick. It takes a lot to even
get a response to a mod here...oh well.....sometimes you just have to understand
the mental psyche of guys sitting on their computer. But I do think it can just
be too much and in the end just not worth the extra time to write and post
plays. A working system and betting with real money is enough for me ... so
posting trying to help just takes the extra time....but i think there are enough
good guys here in the soccer section and elsewhere in the betting world so good
luck in the other forum - chances are i'll find the post because i do check team
news in some of the EURO forums because guys live in the major cities in
countries i cannot understand the language.....so i'm sure i'll stumble upon
your picks.

GL and very nice read on how you pick plays.

GL.
 

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Real question is...Mob, will you ever have balls to post and keep an accurate record?
 
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No need to stop Posting, as I had warned him the other night to NOT go into your Threads.

Now he is GONE from the Soccer Forum for Good.

Outside of him, there are some Great Posters here in this Forum.

BOL ! and Hope you Continue to Post now that the hater is gone.

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Some advertisements say things like 4 out of 5 doctors agree. By announcing that you will no longer be posting, it feels like you're letting your decision get influenced by the fifth doctor.
 

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Aruk you can't just leave!! We still have to meet up at the next Canada game first. If you get this, if you have not already left, PM me and I'll send you my name and email so we can stay in touch. I'll say hello at the next Canada game.

Hopefully you see this before you leave... all the best,

RR11
 

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Thanks Aruk for your contribution. I always enjoyed reading your plays... GL to you.. Mob was like a fart in a wind storm.. Haha
 

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Now he is GONE from the Soccer Forum for Good.

Thank You. The guy single handidly ruined the NCAA BB Forum last spring during the Tourney.

He should've just said,"I can't handicap soccer, so I just chase late line moves."



ARUKIDNME, please reconsider. The trash has been taken out. You are a big asset to this forum.

I know it is very time consuming to post plays with write-ups, but it is appreciated by many here.

Your posting record speaks for itself.
 

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No need to stop Posting, as I had warned him the other night to NOT go into your Threads.

Now he is GONE from the Soccer Forum for Good.

Outside of him, there are some Great Posters here in this Forum.

BOL ! and Hope you Continue to Post now that the hater is gone.

.(

I just got back from a long day.

Thanks Betallsports,

I regret saying what I did about the Mods. I'm very respectful.

You guys are amazing. I'll keep posting on both forums.

Took Boro today and I feel bad now that I didn't post here. They won 3-1 but I won't count the result.

I am certain no one took Wednesday.

Happy to share more stats in the future.

C U Tomorrow I will be capping tonight.
 

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I find it intresting where the mods (BAS) make they're stand. I would prefer you stay, if not I'm sure I'll see your plays on other sites. Best of luck.
 

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I just got back from a long day.

Thanks Betallsports,

I regret saying what I did about the Mods. I'm very respectful.

You guys are amazing. I'll keep posting on both forums.

Took Boro today and I feel bad now that I didn't post here. They won 3-1 but I won't count the result.

I am certain no one took Wednesday.

Happy to share more stats in the future.

C U Tomorrow I will be capping tonight.

WOW! First time I had a chance to read this thread. I come in here looking for some possible plays from you, and of course, the CREEP (MOB), pulls his stunts again. This is nothing new in this forum and it will always happen. ARUK - there are guys that irritate me as well. The way that I think is this way.......there are far wayyyy too many more BETTER people in this forum, than the LOSERS that sit around in this forum and talk a whole lot of garbage. You and I already know this, these guys that talk all this smack, don't even have the "BALLS" to post on their own. Funny how MOB says you have "no balls." What's pretty interesting is that I don't see him using his big balls to post his OWN plays. Regardless, you know this, I'm an AVID FOLLOWER. There are too many good people here. Don't leave us hangin, keep posting, and have a great weekend full of winners! Looking fwd to it.
 

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