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From today's NYT, economist Paul Krugman evaluates the most recent employment numbers:

Last Friday the Bureau of Labor Statistics delivered yet another disappointing employment report.

Since there's a lot of confusion on this subject, let's talk about the numbers. The bureau actually produces two estimates of employment, one based on a survey that asks each employer in a random sample how many workers are on its payroll, the other on a survey that asks each household in a random sample how many of its members are employed. Most experts regard the employer survey as more reliable; even in the midst of the recovery, that survey has contained nothing but bad news. The household numbers look better, but not particularly good.

For technical reasons involving seasonal adjustment, many economists expected the January report to show a one-time bounce in both measures. Yet employment as measured by the payroll survey rose by only 112,000 — well short of the increase needed just to keep up with a growing population. If employment were rising as rapidly as it did when the economy was emerging from the 1990-1991 recession, we'd be seeing monthly numbers more like 275,000.

Taking a longer view, the payroll numbers tell a dismal story. Since the recovery officially began in November 2001, employment has actually fallen by half a percent, while the working-age population has increased about 2.4 percent. By this measure, jobs are becoming ever scarcer.

The household survey, on which the official unemployment rate is based, tells a less dismal but far from happy story. (Why the discrepancy? We don't know.) The number of people who say they have jobs has risen since the recovery began — but has still lagged behind population growth.

The only seemingly favorable statistic is the unemployment rate, which has recently fallen to 5.6 percent, the same as in November 2001. But how is that possible, when employment has grown more slowly than the population, or even declined? The answer is that people aren't counted as unemployed unless they're looking for work, and a growing fraction of the population isn't even looking. It's hard to see how this is good news.

Other indicators continue to suggest a grim job picture. In the last three months, more than 40 percent of the unemployed have been out of work more than 15 weeks. That's the worst number since 1983, and a sign that jobs remain very hard to find — which is what anyone who has lost a job will tell you.

One last statistic — not about jobs, but about wages. Since the last quarter of 2001, real G.D.P. has risen 7.2 percent. But wage and salary income, after adjusting for inflation, is up only 0.6 percent. This matches what the employer survey is telling us: America's workers have seen very little benefit from this recovery.

In the light of these dreary statistics, President Bush's recent cheerfulness seems almost surreal. On Friday, he said that he was "pleased, obviously, with the new job growth." When Tim Russert asked in the "Meet the Press" interview what happened to all the jobs that Mr. Bush promised his tax cuts would create, he replied: "It's happening. And there is good momentum when it comes to the creation of new jobs."

We expect politicians to place a positive spin on economic news, but to insist that things are going great when many people have personal experience to the contrary seems foolish. Mr. Bush's father lost the 1992 election in large part because he was perceived as being out of touch with the difficulties faced by ordinary Americans. Why is Mr. Bush — whose poll numbers are a bit worse than his father's were at this point in 1992 — running the risk of repeating his experience?

The answer, I think, is that the younger Mr. Bush has no choice. He has literally gone for broke, with repeated tax cuts that have fed a $500 billion deficit. To justify policies that more and more people call irresponsible, he must claim that wonderful things are happening as a result.

For a while, that famous 8 percent growth rate seemed to be just what he needed. But in the fourth quarter, growth dropped to 4 percent. And as we've seen, the jobs still aren't there.

So Mr. Bush must put on a brave face. He and his officials must talk up weak economic statistics as if they represented stunning success, and predict marvelous things any day now. After all, they have to keep this up for only nine more months.
 

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I'm sure it's all Bush's fault. Let's raise taxes back up, that'll be the ticket to a full economic recovery.
 

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Just be carefull driving home you might run over some of the homless people that can't find jobs...The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!
Paul Krugamn is as left wing as they come...the rate is 5.6% because people aren't making claims to the goverment that they are out...give me a break that out to tell you something right there...People won't take work if they are not getting 40$ an hour to sit on their ass.
..He dosen't mention the people who work under the table to avoid a thousand different fedral and state fees and regulations either.
Thats like saying the Patriots at 17-2 were a weak 17-2 because they don't have superstars.
5.6% is 5.6% you can't change the rules just because it dosen't favor your side and that stupid ass knows that.
 

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What Krugman has been very successful in pointing out is that these "positive" economic figures that you see trumpeted by the current administration and its cheerleaders are not necessarily so positive. Especially when you consider the fact that the economy has been provided an almost unprecedented artificial stimulus in the form of huge tax cuts and enormous government spending increases.
 

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5.6% and it was 4.2% when he took office. A 25% increase. As it stands right now Bush would be the first President in history (since they've kept such records) to hemhorrage jobs on his watch. Fire the guy.
 

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Pat,

Have you ever been to the Midwest? Let me tell you what is going on. Steel Mills, Manufacturing Plants, Forges, OEM's, End Users... you name it, are going out of business so quickly, that it is no longer an economic wake, but more of a Tsunami. When a plant shuts down because the products it was making for GM, Miller, Rockwell, ABB, J&J, again, you name it, can be made for a fraction of the price by some sweat shop down south, out east, anywhere other than the US, not only are the plant guys out of work, but so is the support staff(janitors, assistants, receptionists, and secretaries), and the professionals(engineers, electricians, maintenance, purchasing agents, accountants, and executives). Now, named are the families directly hurt by the shut down, but indirectly hurt are the; salesmen who depended on the commission they were earning from that plant, the companies who provided auxilliary services to that plant, the machine shops that got outsourcing from that plant, the advertising agencies that helped the plant, and the town that got taxes from the plant.

This isn't happening at a rate of one per month, but more like 3-5 per month. And with every five large plants that go out of business, at least 10 smaller businesses who way of life it was to support that plant go out of business too.

The sky may not be falling, but the manufacturing sector is, and without manufacturing, what is an economy?
 

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Mass,

You have an excelent argument but your example is an unfortunete consequence to globalization and Free Trade Pacts. This is not the fault of President Bush nor his politics because what is going on in the midwest today, is occuring elsewhere in several sections of the planet.
 

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Globalization is a term for Big Business, but no one else. Globalization is the ability of a super company to outsource everything from overseas and then turn around and sell the product to the employee they just laid off. I don't know of any other section of the planet that would allow a once superior manufacturing sector to the rest of the world, slump and then be widdled off in the search for profit. Bush has an agenda and so does his cabinet. It is to make money and use his influence to do so.
 

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I'm not normally a fan of Lou Dobbs, but his 'Exporting America' exposé each and every day is very telling. Not only are jobs being lost in the US (we went through this when the FTA was brought about in '89) but the multinational corporations who send their jobs abroad make an inordinate amount of profit by paying workers an average of 8 to 41 cents an hour (source: Charles Derber.) The only way for North Americans' labour market to compete with this is for strong economic governments to push for stricter labour laws overseas. The people on both sides of the fence would win. But, alas, the corporations who donate millions and millions each year to the presidency (left or right is not relevant) would protest this. Thus, corporations end up with all the power here and all the power overseas. It's a complete losing situation for labour worldwide.

Eventually, as no doubt Phaedrus will argue, the free market, if left completely free (would need to eliminate the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank as they are led too harshly by North American and Western European nations) the labour rates would even out. But given history, the divide between rich and poor would not likely narrow for many generations. I find that unacceptable.
 

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Junior attributes the deficit to the war. According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the single biggest cause of the deficit is the massive tax cuts for Junior's wealthy friends which he comveniently didn't mention in his State of the Union lie. Specifically, 36% of the deficit comes from tax cuts, while 31% comes from defense related spending increases and the rest comes from economic slowdown.

With 88% of Americans now believing that the deficit is a "very serious problem", Junior has tried to blame government spending for the deficit. But again, the CBO notes that spending is at "a lower level than in any year from 1975 through 1996." And as Junior starves Veterans health care, low-income housing and health care programs of funding, he is pushing more than $1 trillion in new tax cuts, primarily for the wealthy.

Junior is falsely invoking national security, the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the war in Iraq to hide the fact that his tax cuts for the wealthy have created the largest deficit in US history.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 5.6% and it was 4.2% when he took office. A 25% increase. As it stands right now Bush would be the first President in history (since they've kept such records) to hemhorrage jobs on his watch. Fire the guy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
His administration is also the first to take a trillion dollar hit to the economy when 9/11 happened.
"Artificial" stimulus what Angus calls the tax cuts are really giving money back tto the people that own it....the thing that pisses me off is the wastful goverment spending.
Again, Itravel back and forth to work 30 miles everyday and haven't run over anybody that is homeless because they don't have jobs.
That the problem with democrats they have to manufacture problems otherwise they go the way of the buggy whip...if there aren't any problems..make one up.
 

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Best line on the tax cuts I saw was from Tom Friedman. I know, not exactly a loved guy by the right. He pointed out that the tax cut was so large that with the money the Treasury lost you could have hired 2.5 million Americans to dig holes and 2.5 million Americans to fill them, all paid not minimum wage, but the average wage of Americans which is about $37,000 a year. Imagine that...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildBill:
Best line on the tax cuts I saw was from Tom Friedman. I know, not exactly a loved guy by the right. He pointed out that the tax cut was so large that with the money the Treasury lost you could have hired 2.5 million Americans to dig holes and 2.5 million Americans to fill them, all paid not minimum wage, but the average wage of Americans which is about $37,000 a year. Imagine that...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why should my tax money be spent by the government to hire Americans to dig holes?

You fail to remember whose money it was in the first place. Maybe if Bush stopped extending unemployment benefits every six months a few of those unmotivateds will get their ass off the couch and head to work.
 

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Pat,

If the thing that pisses you off the most is wasteful spending, than how can Bush be your guy?

This is the guy that has increased discretionary spending more than anyone in the last 20 years. If he was a Democrat you guys would be having a field day.

- Spending 180 billion plus on unnecessary war in Iraq

- Spending billions on missile shield when more ominous threat is not from missiles but from smuggled dirty bombs or other WMD. (Al Qaeda ain't launching anything from a cave in Kabul that can hit the States.)

- Proposal to spend 1 billion plus a year to promote institution of marriage (as political bone to christian coalition). Isn't it the Democrats that get criticized for social engineering?
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- For chrissakes, he even wants to have the biggest increase ever for the National Endowment of the Arts and he's so proud he has his wife endorse it. Hey, good luck to you and your right wing buddies scoring tickets to the next showing of Robert Mapplethorpe's homoerotic exhibit.
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Oh yeah, and then there's te multibillion dollar proposal to land a man on Mars - surely one of the nation's biggest priority.

I'm guessing he probably did cocaine about 20 years ago because he refuses to answer that question, but more importantly do you think he's on crack now? What else could explain his fvcked up decisions?
 

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No one said that they should hire ditchdiggers, it just makes the point. Here is Bush having this issue of being the first President in a long-ass time having jobs decrease under his watch, yet this simple (albeit unrealistic) concept would have avoided it.

What drives me more crazy is that the Bush team just seems to be digging themselves deeper. Instead of saying ok, the crisis has passed and the temporary tax cuts that we said were just to revive the economy are supposedly not needed (after all we will have over 2 million new jobs by their projections), they just claim that even more cuts are needed. It never ends! Hey I hate paying taxes like the next guy, but these are promises that have been made.

If we don't want to keep the promises and would rather save the money and have lower taxes then fine, go out and do something about it. But don't assume we are all stupid and this "it will all just go away with growth" argument will fly with anyone with half an intelligence. It is common sense with most Americans, we deal with a budget ourselves. We know that occasionally we can stretch our budget, but at some point we must come back under control. We must save, we must pay for past debts. This government says why save, why pay for past debts. We can pay for those by just not carrying money in our pocket. If we don't have money in our pocket our kids and our spouses can't ask for it. That ought to keep us in this house under control. And if we don't have money around, we won't make those pesky savings moves such as investments. Is that any way to run a house or a country???
 

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excellent points Wildbill . . . as Bill Maher has said - when you vote for a Republican you're voting for an old white guy who'll be stingy with your money. If I had a vote that would be the main reason I'd vote Republican . . . but these Republicans are not Republicans! The main selling point of their party is now their biggest weakness,

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Angus, you know the difference today between a republican and a democrat?
A Democrat taxes and spends.
A republican taxes less and spends more.
Kind of a dumb and dumber if you ask me.
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