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Immunizations dont protect you from infections of the things you're trying to immunize so keeping someone from a school wont change that. If it was 100% effective you then might have an argument but its not. And if you want to start a school and funding yourself feel free to exclude anyone that the law will allow. But dont expect state funding or in our case for now, federal funding
 
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This is just a childish admission that you can't have an actual conversation.
 
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I read the study just now. That study is talking about variable and fixed costs. My link was "INCENTIVE". Its an incentive program. Your talking about the actual cost of a visit with everything its totaled. Mantis.... think about the difference here.

Ya, I don't love the idea of some insurers incentivizing pediatricians to vaccinate, but it makes sense from a business perspective. Preventitive care is almost always, if not always, less expensive. It's 1,000x less expensive for an insurance company to pay to vaccinate a child for whooping cough than it is to pay for care when that child has whooping cough. It's just smarter.
 

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How many different shitty analogies are you going to try before you give up?

You want to quantify risk and decisions then extrapolate that to barring someone from school. Mind you nobody is saying these unvac kids are infected.... isnt that discrimination? Your premise is someone willing to partake in risky lifestyle choices shouldnt be allowed to attend places where others have rejected those health style choices. Thats a slippery slope, fella.
 
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You want to quantify risk and decisions then extrapolate that to barring someone from school. Mind you nobody is saying these unvac kids are infected.... isnt that discrimination? Your premise is someone willing to partake in risky lifestyle choices shouldnt be allowed to attend places where others have rejected those health style choices. Thats a slippery slope, fella.

You've yet to give me one valid example of how this "slippery slope" could be applied to anything else.
 

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Ya, I don't love the idea of insurers incentivizing pediatricians to vaccinate, but it makes sense from a business perspective. Preventitive care is almost always, if not always, less expensive. It's 1,000x less expensive for an insurance company to pay to vaccinate a child for whooping cough than it is to pay for care when that child has whooping cough. It's just smarter.
Fair enough then dont discriminate a family who chooses to make a business decision based on the same idea. How many people die from whooping cough or polio? Even at their height? How many kids have reactions or die after immunizations?

"Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death)," the CDC says.
 

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Fletch I'm sure you know some doctors. Talk to some immunologists. If you really want something real to be concerned about a friend of mine who is an intensivist (definition below) says that blood pressure medications and birth control pills are penetrating the water supplies of many cities across the US. We never talked about vaccines but I owe him a call.

An intensivist, also known as a critical care physician, is a medical doctor with special training and experience in treating critically ill patients. An intensivist completes a fellowship in critical care medicine after finishing a residency in internal medicine, pulmonary medicine, anesthesia or surgery.
 

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You've yet to give me one valid example of how this "slippery slope" could be applied to anything else.

Now youre just being dense. If someone willing makes a choice to participate in something deemed high risk then they shouldn't be able to partake in something because the people reject that high risk behavior. Dont hire veterans because they have a higher chance of PTSD than anyone else. They willfully joined the military and should be held accountable based on your standards.
 
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Fair enough then dont discriminate a family who chooses to make a business decision based on the same idea. How many people die from whooping cough or polio? Even at their height? How many kids have reactions or die after immunizations?

"Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death)," the CDC says.

The 30,000 reports equates to 0.006 percent of people who are vaccinated.

In 2012, the US had it's highest number of whooping cough cases since 1955. As far as deaths, from 2000-2014, 277 deaths from whooping cough. 241 were infants under the age of 3 months that were too young to be vaccinated.
 
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Now youre just being dense. If someone willing makes a choice to participate in something deemed high risk then they shouldn't be able to partake in something because the people reject that high risk behavior. Dont hire veterans because they have a higher chance of PTSD than anyone else. They willfully joined the military and should be held accountable based on your standards.

Is hiring that vet going to put his coworkers at greater risk of PTSD?
 

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Fletch I'm sure you know some doctors. Talk to some immunologists. If you really want something real to be concerned about a friend of mine who is an intensivist (definition below) says that blood pressure medications and birth control pills are penetrating the water supplies of many cities across the US. We never talked about vaccines but I owe him a call.

Fucking great point. That is TRULY a problem. Also not just that but also AntiDepressents too. This is why i have the Culligan Man:) Hey Mantis, Antidepressants have a higher rate of suicide and are mentally unstable if i find out youre on them youre never working in MY medical field... to much of a risk
 
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Fucking great point. That is TRULY a problem. Also not just that but also AntiDepressents too. This is why i have the Culligan Man:) Hey Mantis, Antidepressants have a higher rate of suicide and are mentally unstable if i find out youre on them youre never working in MY medical field... to much of a risk

If I commit suicide, does that put you at a greater risk of committing suicide?
 

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Is hiring that vet going to put his coworkers at greater risk of PTSD?

:toast: Touche, but they could be a higher risk to go POSTAL therefore why take the risk?
 
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Fletch I'm sure you know some doctors. Talk to some immunologists. If you really want something real to be concerned about a friend of mine who is an intensivist (definition below) says that blood pressure medications and birth control pills are penetrating the water supplies of many cities across the US. We never talked about vaccines but I owe him a call.

An intensivist, also known as a critical care physician, is a medical doctor with special training and experience in treating critically ill patients. An intensivist completes a fellowship in critical care medicine after finishing a residency in internal medicine, pulmonary medicine, anesthesia or surgery.

Agree with this. Talk to a pediatrician. One you trust. I'd almost guarantee they view vaccination as a huge net positive.
 

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If you two bastards don't stop trolling each other no one will know when you're serious :):)
 

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If I commit suicide, does that put you at a greater risk of committing suicide?

No but youre more unstable than the average person. Therefore you should have to disclose any pysch meds (its those damn side effects) you take before hiring.
 
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No but youre more unstable than the average person. Therefore you should have to disclose any pysch meds (its those damn side effects) you take before hiring.

If I'm mentally unstable, or have PTSD, or whatever other example you come up with next, they're not choices. If you're not vaccinated, that's a choice.
 

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Agree with this. Talk to a pediatrician. One you trust. I'd almost guarantee they view vaccination as a huge net positive.
Talked too? I got basically forced out of one back about 10 years ago. Dr Barber. Because we refused to vaccinate. Our family doctor couldn't give zero fucks. I guess he is unqualified.
 

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