You are really sick in the brain to say the US is a bigger threat to the world than Saddam was. FYI, India and Pakistan have the ability to nuke the workd too with one push of the button.
As for your self defence question, US took pre-emptive defence in Iraq. Do you believe for 1 second that before Saddam went to his grave, he wouldn't have tried to do something dreadful to the world but moreso to the US and Israel?
I don't believe that God is on my side or your side. I believe I can find a Muslim, Hindu or from any other religion someone that's a better person overall than a "Christian"
Do you secularist really believe that everyone who is a Christian believe that non-believers were created by Satan?
Damn, you are way more out there than I thought.
As for your self defence question, US took pre-emptive defence in Iraq. Do you believe for 1 second that before Saddam went to his grave, he wouldn't have tried to do something dreadful to the world but moreso to the US and Israel?
I don't believe that God is on my side or your side. I believe I can find a Muslim, Hindu or from any other religion someone that's a better person overall than a "Christian"
Do you secularist really believe that everyone who is a Christian believe that non-believers were created by Satan?
Damn, you are way more out there than I thought.
truthteller said:
Neither India nor Pakistan has ever dropped a nuclear weapon. The US dropped two of them.
I invite you to check out your nation's history with the following maniacs:
Hussein
Pol Pot
Pinochet
Suharto
Hitler
Bin Laden
Noriega
... that's probably enough homework for you for now.
Pre-emptive means that you faced a real threat and struck before that threat could strike you. Not a make-believe threat or thirty-years-down-the-road-threat. But a real threat.
If Iraq was so dangerous, why did both Powell and Rice claim that Saddam had no WMD in the first months of 2001 before the towers fell? Why did Powell also state that even if Saddam did develop WMD, he would not be able to hit the US? Were they lying?
Nope, I don't doubt for a second Saddam would have wanted to do harm. After all, he showed us his true colours in 1988. Thing is, wanting to do harm and having the ability to do harm are very different things. Further, he would not likely have ever developed the ability to harm the US directly. Israel, certainly, but not the US. Which of course brings us back to the Armageddon theory, doesn't it?
Good to hear this. What about atheists and agnostics?
Nope. I've been very clear to point out that the whackjobs I refer to are the Rapture nutters. My uncle is a Roman Catholic priest and he's not a whackjob. I have a friend who is a minister with the United Church and he's not a whackjob. I was raised Catholic and the people I went to school with were not whackjobs.
But Bush, who uses terms like 'evildoers' and 'with us or against us' is using Manichean language and speaking directly to the evangelicals. THEY think Islam is not a peaceful religion.
Jerry Falwell said, "Muhammed was a terrorist." I watched him say it. You tell me -- what does that mean? That Muslims are evil, maybe? Created by Satan?
I think you need to go do some homework before you go spouting off all those names that the US supposedly supported. For one, there were reasons behind it, not all good and bad and secondly, you will need to take some of them off the list. I would name then since it will be good research for you instead of spreading propaganda.
Yes, pre-emptive means that you faced a real threat and struck before that threat could strike you. That's exactly what Saddam posed. A real threat!
Why did he kick out the UN inspectors so many times if he didn't have any WMDs. Why did Clinton, France, Germany, Kerry etc.. all believed he had WMDs one time or another?
As for your statement that "he would not likely have ever developed the ability to harm the US directly" is based on what?
We see what he did before so we just sit back and hope this mad man doesn't hit us so just to appease the left wing nuts?
I saw when he said Muhammed was a terrorist. Maybe he has proof on why he would make that statement. Does that mean all muslims are evil or created by Satan, NO!
Yes, pre-emptive means that you faced a real threat and struck before that threat could strike you. That's exactly what Saddam posed. A real threat!
Why did he kick out the UN inspectors so many times if he didn't have any WMDs. Why did Clinton, France, Germany, Kerry etc.. all believed he had WMDs one time or another?
As for your statement that "he would not likely have ever developed the ability to harm the US directly" is based on what?
We see what he did before so we just sit back and hope this mad man doesn't hit us so just to appease the left wing nuts?
I saw when he said Muhammed was a terrorist. Maybe he has proof on why he would make that statement. Does that mean all muslims are evil or created by Satan, NO!
"BUT KEEP THE CHURCH OUTTA MY GOVERNMENT"
Damn good advice there, Mr Matthews....need more of that in our country and certainly in some of these radical nations abroad.....anything can be justified when God whispers in your ear.....
You know, it's really nice to come home from work, jump in the shower, grab a steak and throw it on the grill, and sit back and watch a football game or two.......and all during that time, I don't even think once about what some woman is doing with her own body or what two gay or lesbians are doing with thier own time and thier own lives.....maybe I'm just too use to living my own life and not worrying about complete strangers living thier own life....
All you religious zealots and the ones keeping track of every abortion and every blasphemy to the way you live your own life really should try this at least once.....
It is sooooo relaxing......I think I'll fire up the grill.....
Damn good advice there, Mr Matthews....need more of that in our country and certainly in some of these radical nations abroad.....anything can be justified when God whispers in your ear.....
You know, it's really nice to come home from work, jump in the shower, grab a steak and throw it on the grill, and sit back and watch a football game or two.......and all during that time, I don't even think once about what some woman is doing with her own body or what two gay or lesbians are doing with thier own time and thier own lives.....maybe I'm just too use to living my own life and not worrying about complete strangers living thier own life....
All you religious zealots and the ones keeping track of every abortion and every blasphemy to the way you live your own life really should try this at least once.....
It is sooooo relaxing......I think I'll fire up the grill.....
truthteller said:
The US has supported each and every one of those names on that list at one time or another. They have also taken each one of them out when they no longer served their interests. At present, they are backing guerilla groups in Haiti and Colombia. (To your credit, the Hitler reference has more to do with Bush's granddaddy than the US gov't, though he was a senator at the time.)
Obviously that isn't true. No WMD, the fight was over quickly, you found the guy in a hole. He was a real a-hole, but not a threat. You've got bigger concerns than Saddam. Besides, the doctrine for pre-emption, until Bush changed the meaning, meant that the threat was imminent. In other words, the enemy was lining up to fight, not having wet dreams about it in the night.
Well, we all know he had WMDs in 1988, cause he gassed the Kurds. That was the time to claim a humanitarian intervention, not fifteen years after the fact. The UN was satisfied, by 1995, that Saddam had disposed of 98% of his WMD and had the documentation to support it. What they were looking for, in the late '90s, was the plans to make more WMD, not WMD themselves.
Saddam kicked out the inspectors as he felt they were working in cahoots with the CIA to oust him. He felt that they were spying, and not legitimately looking for anything. He wasn't too far off, was he?
Further, and most importantly, the only reason Bush went to the UN was because Blair -- and Powell to a lesser extent -- insisted on it. The UN, and the UN resolutions, were not part of the real justification for war, just part of the public spectacle.
On a statement made by Colin Powell in February, 2001 to the Egyptian president Mubarak:
"We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...May I just add a p.s. that if I was a Kuwaiti and I heard leaders in Baghdad claiming that Kuwait is still a part of Iraq and it's going to be included in the flag and the seal, if I knew they were continuing to try to find weapons of mass destruction, I would have no doubt in my mind who those weapons were aimed at. They are being aimed at Arabs, not at the United States or at others. Yes, I think we should...he has to be contained until he realizes the errors of his ways."
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm
Colin Powell - May 15, 2001:
"Saddam Hussein has not been able to build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction for the last 10 years."
Condaleeza Rice - two months before 9/11:
"Saddam does not control the northern part of the country. We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." (quick note: the northern part of the country is where an AQ-affiliated group worked, the one that the Bush admin refers to when they talk of Iraq/AQ connections. They were working with Iran to help the Kurds, not Saddam.)
Not at all. But your policy of containment appears to have been working, based both on the statements I quote to you above, and on the fact that he had not attacked the US or been able to fight back when you invaded. His army at the time of invasion was obviously a joke.
Well, the way I see it: if the Muslim faith is based in large part on the prophet Mohammed, and if a view holds that he was a terrorist, and if the view also holds that terrorists are evildoers, then it follows that the religion itself is based on evildoing, thus the followers are of evil ilk. Since Bush's mandate is to crush all the evil in the ME, and he and Falwell are good buddies, well, connect the dots.
No matter how you slice it, if Prince Bandar (for example) made the claim that he thought Jesus was a terrorist, Christians of all denominations would have a fit. Whatever 'proof' Falwell might think he has cannot justify such inflammatory remarks in a day and age when Manichean 'good v. evil' talk is costing lives.
Bush has a mandate, he best use it or the GOP will lose the next election. We expect conservative judges to be appointed early and often. To the victor goes the spoils, this talk of uniting and BS is to undermine his nominees. If Kerry would have won the most vile leftist would have been appointed to the supreme court.
The neocons do it every tiime because it gets them elected. They spout the wedge issues of anti-abortion, gun rights, anti-gay rights, etc. and then when they get elected they expend their political capital only for the things the corporations that own the GOP want. Their canidates talk Christ but vote Corporate which in the end is very un-Christian beacause it screws the regular
people that work for a living the worst.
people that work for a living the worst.
10 Signs That You Are A Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian
I am disgusted ...
I saw a site today - www.raptureready.com - that had a posting today:
"see, I told you that God works in great ways! John Edwards will be able to stay @ home with his wife and help her heal .."
How disgusting is that???
One good reason I have turned away from the Republican "We are holier than thou attitude" ...
God bless you Mr and Mrs Edwards
I saw a site today - www.raptureready.com - that had a posting today:
"see, I told you that God works in great ways! John Edwards will be able to stay @ home with his wife and help her heal .."
How disgusting is that???
One good reason I have turned away from the Republican "We are holier than thou attitude" ...
God bless you Mr and Mrs Edwards
is my religion OK?
i am a dyslexic, insomniac agnostic
I lie awake every night wondering about the existence of Dog.
Is that okay with you Bible bashers?
By the way, George W has uncovered Biblical evidence for his policies in a dramatic new translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And Jesus said "Let he who is without sin raze the Sunni triangle to the ground"
No expense will be spared in the White House in further efforts to re-translate the Bible.
i am a dyslexic, insomniac agnostic
I lie awake every night wondering about the existence of Dog.
Is that okay with you Bible bashers?
By the way, George W has uncovered Biblical evidence for his policies in a dramatic new translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And Jesus said "Let he who is without sin raze the Sunni triangle to the ground"
No expense will be spared in the White House in further efforts to re-translate the Bible.
