Judge - I know what you are saying but Russ hasn't just tried to warn people, he's been on an all out smear campaign IMO. You learn to see the difference with Russ pretty quick. There's legit info he gets he wants to pass on about something and then there's things that get personal with him where he gets hysterical. If you want to give people a heads up that is fine, when you devote your life to bashing a book on your forum it becomes obvious this is more than just warning your readers. He was the marketing manager for SecureBuxx and never saw a thing? He was the only site I know of that even had them advertising. MajorBetting and NAB shared an office in Costa Rica when NAB went down and stole the players money? They closed and stole from all of us and again Russ never saw a thing coming? In fact they were offering bonuses on their forum an admonishing people for not taking advantage of them two weeks before they went down!? LOL. Where is all the private eye stuff he is suddenly so good at? Not to mention the other books that all the watcdog sites missed, including us. In every case he never saw A THING!!!?? Nothing that would help anyone until it was too late. Now that it involves an ex-advertiser and his wallet is on the line there is surefire trouble and he can just see it coming? It makes me laugh just typing it out.....
It's one thing if you warn readers all the time about books, I can see that. But when you never see anything from your advertisers (guys who pay you) but see it all when they leave (guys who no longer pay you) it becomes sort of obvious what is going on. Just my opinion of course.
It's one thing if you warn readers all the time about books, I can see that. But when you never see anything from your advertisers (guys who pay you) but see it all when they leave (guys who no longer pay you) it becomes sort of obvious what is going on. Just my opinion of course.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now I am naming a book and look the shit I get even after naming a previous book that was going out of biz, GA. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Truth, let's not forget Bluegrass. No need to argue, but you are @ 50% hoping for 67%. Hopefully you end up at 34%.
carry on
Truth, let's not forget Bluegrass. No need to argue, but you are @ 50% hoping for 67%. Hopefully you end up at 34%.
carry on
Truth, Patrick is so fixated with me he has trouble seeing past his dislike.
Patrick, I have no clue who Truthteller is... have never spoken to him in my life. His information is his. I appreciate the compliment that the whole world revolves around what I say but it hardly does.
This is what Truth posted
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All I will say is be very careful with this book. They are in trouble and are taking a beating on the free half point.
Now you shills for RIO don't try to deny or argue this as the shills did when I warned about Gambler's Avenue. You were proven wrong then and will be here too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uncle B is an acquaintance of mine and I have never once discussed RIO with him. He has this to say yesterday.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Rio is broke.....Ken tried to fix it, by setting up loans for RIO. The plan failed.
BETRIO is a broke joint, that owes much more than they can ever repay.
I should have come out with this earlier.But, ken was dead set that he had a plan to bail RIO out.
RIO is broke, RIO is surviving off your post-up money..
They will make it through football, maybe even through MLB..IF, players don't hit them too hard.
Don't discount what Russ and MW have told you...BETRIO is indeed in debt up to their eyeballs, and no amount of "NAB" type of bullshit from shrink can change that.
If you have money in RIO....GET IT OUT NOW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Fat Frank probaly dislikes me and we have never spoken. This is what he had to say
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm not holding this one back...
Am told by my same Local/Agent that Rio/Skybook is on "shaky ground" financially.
Do with this info as you want for I personally don't know but will say I have NO $$$ with them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I could go on and on but I supect that you get the point. Some of you people have to stop shooting the messengers or before you know it there will be none.
Patrick, I have no clue who Truthteller is... have never spoken to him in my life. His information is his. I appreciate the compliment that the whole world revolves around what I say but it hardly does.
This is what Truth posted
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>All I will say is be very careful with this book. They are in trouble and are taking a beating on the free half point.
Now you shills for RIO don't try to deny or argue this as the shills did when I warned about Gambler's Avenue. You were proven wrong then and will be here too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Uncle B is an acquaintance of mine and I have never once discussed RIO with him. He has this to say yesterday.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Rio is broke.....Ken tried to fix it, by setting up loans for RIO. The plan failed.
BETRIO is a broke joint, that owes much more than they can ever repay.
I should have come out with this earlier.But, ken was dead set that he had a plan to bail RIO out.
RIO is broke, RIO is surviving off your post-up money..
They will make it through football, maybe even through MLB..IF, players don't hit them too hard.
Don't discount what Russ and MW have told you...BETRIO is indeed in debt up to their eyeballs, and no amount of "NAB" type of bullshit from shrink can change that.
If you have money in RIO....GET IT OUT NOW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Fat Frank probaly dislikes me and we have never spoken. This is what he had to say
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm not holding this one back...
Am told by my same Local/Agent that Rio/Skybook is on "shaky ground" financially.
Do with this info as you want for I personally don't know but will say I have NO $$$ with them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I could go on and on but I supect that you get the point. Some of you people have to stop shooting the messengers or before you know it there will be none.
My advice is be informed and up to date on off-shore all the time or none of the time. Don't pick and choose when you know what is going down. I mean Russ knows enough here that Spiro and every reputable bookie there is can't see what he sees? But in the other examples it was right under his nose and he never saw a thing? Unreal how convenient that is....
As far as Truth he has spoken on things before so that is easier for me to take his opinion seriously than when a site who sees nothing suddenly gets miraculous information after a book leaves them.
As far as Truth he has spoken on things before so that is easier for me to take his opinion seriously than when a site who sees nothing suddenly gets miraculous information after a book leaves them.
McIrish, I'm not getting in the middle of your pissing match with Russ, but spare us the "Russ has had advertisers fall down right in front of his nose".
Didn't Wagers Paradise, NAB, Gamblers Ave, Blue Marlin and Homebets all advertise here?
You guys are 100% right about "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If Buzz publicly names BM, and ruins their name, that pretty much eliminates any chance of a buyout.
Sometimes keeping quiet is the best looking chance to get the players paid, sometimes it isn't. Each case is different, and it still usually comes down to a matter of opinion.
Didn't Wagers Paradise, NAB, Gamblers Ave, Blue Marlin and Homebets all advertise here?
You guys are 100% right about "damned if you do, damned if you don't". If Buzz publicly names BM, and ruins their name, that pretty much eliminates any chance of a buyout.
Sometimes keeping quiet is the best looking chance to get the players paid, sometimes it isn't. Each case is different, and it still usually comes down to a matter of opinion.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WINNINGHAND:
Solid posts McIrish. You are obviously drinking less these days as your posts are becoming more lucid and relevant. Just kidding, i don't know whether you drink or not. Just wanted to say that i like your posts, and that you are great for this site.
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Thanks sir, I still drink though. Wife said Patrick when you going to stop drinking alcohol and I told her the truth - when they quit making it.
Solid posts McIrish. You are obviously drinking less these days as your posts are becoming more lucid and relevant. Just kidding, i don't know whether you drink or not. Just wanted to say that i like your posts, and that you are great for this site.
Thanks sir, I still drink though. Wife said Patrick when you going to stop drinking alcohol and I told her the truth - when they quit making it.
Tin - that's exactly right, thats my point. It's why we don't go over and bash books who advertise at MW for example. If we miss them here it would seem foolish to be able to tell others about their advertisers going down. We can't see our own but can call others coming down the road? Russ not only can see trouble here he's probably posted 100 times about Rio, you don't think it's odd he's missed every other book that went down? Think for yourself Tin, I know it's dangerous to get on his bad side but you have to call both sides to be fair. For example what's Russ think about BoDog now since they paid him what he said they owed?
As far as battling with Russ or a pissing war I talk to him almost every day over IM's, I just call bullshit when I see it. If I can't speak on what I think is fair I don't want contact with anyone. Actually I compliment Russ and MW at times but during this he looks bad, that's my opinion. Tough to choose between Spiro and the others but I'll go with the Greek this time. This was/is clearly a smear attack against a solid book, everyone who has any merit at all says the same thing.
As far as battling with Russ or a pissing war I talk to him almost every day over IM's, I just call bullshit when I see it. If I can't speak on what I think is fair I don't want contact with anyone. Actually I compliment Russ and MW at times but during this he looks bad, that's my opinion. Tough to choose between Spiro and the others but I'll go with the Greek this time. This was/is clearly a smear attack against a solid book, everyone who has any merit at all says the same thing.
Patrick, this is not about you or me. This is not about MW or RX , it is about the free flow of info. You are stopping it with your lock and ban buttons.
FTR, I have never once, let alone 100 times said that RIO is going down. I posted they are in huge debt and owed a person a very large amount of money, have ownership issues and the like.
I post the facts. It is this site that turns them into what they are right now.
Get over your rx/mw thingy Pat. It is hurting people. IMO it already cost you guys here a great poster, Minnow. How many more are you gonna lose and ban before you open your eyes.
FTR, I have never once, let alone 100 times said that RIO is going down. I posted they are in huge debt and owed a person a very large amount of money, have ownership issues and the like.
I post the facts. It is this site that turns them into what they are right now.
Get over your rx/mw thingy Pat. It is hurting people. IMO it already cost you guys here a great poster, Minnow. How many more are you gonna lose and ban before you open your eyes.
