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Yes, the Native Americans got screwed by the European settlers. I won't deny that. But at what point are they gonna stop bitching and moaning? 100 years? 500 years?

Imagine if every religious/cultural group in Europe started complaining about land, property, etc. "Well, your ancestors took this land from us in 1374. They raped our women and stole our livestock. So we figure you owe us $755 billion. Thanks!"

CBS Apologizes for OutKast's Grammy Performance
Friday, February 13, 2004

ALBUQUERQUE — CBS apologized Friday to American Indians angered by OutKast's (search) Grammy Awards performance, which featured feathers and war paint.

"We are very sorry if anyone was offended," said Nancy Carr, a CBS spokeswoman in Los Angeles.

As the final act of Sunday's Grammy telecast, OutKast's Andre "3000" Benjamin and several dancers swirled wildly around a green teepee as he sang "Hey Ya!" (search) Costumes included war paint, feathers and fringe.

OutKast's hip-hoppy jive won three trophies: best urban-alternative performance for "Hey Ya!" and best rap album and overall album of the year for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below." (search)

"I like OutKast. I like their music," said Tom Bee, an Albuquerque record producer and musician, who was nominated for the Native American music Grammy. "But I thought the show was not correct. It was degrading."

The San Francisco-based Native American Cultural Center (search) called for a boycott of CBS; OutKast; Arista, their record company; and the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, which sponsors the Grammys.

The center also has filed a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission and said it posted documents online explaining "why this broadcast was racist and why the companies involved need to take responsibility for their commercialization of Native American culture."

The Web site also urged viewers to "Turn Off CBS," and for each boycotter to ask 10 friends to do likewise.

In New York, a woman who answered the phone Friday at Arista Records' publicity office said OutKast had no immediate comment.

George Toya of the Jemez Pueblo powwow group Black Eagle, who was in the audience at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, said he was initially happy when he heard the chant that opened OutKast's performance. He thought he was about to see an American Indian group perform.

"It was a Navajo song that I recognized, and I got a little excited," said Toya, who was at the ceremony with other members of Black Eagle to pick up a Grammy for best Native American music album for "Flying Free."

But the drumming was actually the intro to "Hey Ya!"

Toya said he couldn't believe it.

"I told my wife who was sitting beside me, `Somebody is going to be (angry) about this,"' he said.

American Indians ac**** the country were angered by what they said was a performance disrespectful to their culture and a perpetuation of tomahawk-and-teepee stereotypes.

The Oneida Nation criticized the performance on Tuesday.

Indianz.com launched an online petition calling for an apology from Andre. By Wednesday night, there were 2,500 signatures.

Bee was particularly angered that the dancers who accompanied Andre wore feathers, a sacred symbol for American Indians.
 

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90% of Native Americans were either murdered or enslaved by the early European "settlers".

Christopher Columbus was a genocidal man. What the US History books do not teach you is that Columbus made several trips to America because the Spanish King promised him 50% of the gold that was discoved here. He brutalized the Indians by burning their villages, raping their women and literally working the Indians to death in search for gold. The Indians were given gold quotas every day and were tortured and murdered if they did not meet the unrealistic goals.

His historical writing spoke of them being "generous and naive, making great slaves."

But like most history, the US public education system would rather celebrate Columbus as a heroic sailor instead of a greedy genocidal monster.

I see no reason to celebrate this tyrant on Columbus Day.
 

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Jesus Christ Lander you are such a cliche!
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Start thinking for yourself and don't believe everything you read on moveon.org.
 

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I don't read moveon.org (ok, once to see the 30 second video competition - but I'm not interested in Dem propaganda anymore that I'm interested in Right-winged propaganda). However, appartently you must moveon.org seeing that you noticed a similiar outlook towards my views on the matter.

Floyd, frankly IMO you're still a piss-poor hybrid of a lemming and a sheep, but I must admit it is refreshing to see you finally reading an alternative media source.

As for my thoughts, well, I grew up next to an Indian reservation so I have a good feel for the Indians point of view, amongst other things.

I suggest you get yourself a copy of Howard Zinn's, "A People's History of the United States of America" - the 1st Chapter deals exclusively with this matter. There are letters recognized by historians to have been written (translated, of course) by Columbus himself which clearly state that wants to enslave the Indians because they would make great slaves (and, of course, he did try to enslave them).

Unfortunately, Columbus underestimated the pride of the Indians. Most of them fought to the death for the freedom and others commited mass-suicide.

They would rather lose their lives than their freedoms - sadly, sheep like you would just assume give those freedoms away.
 

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"They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which the exchanged for the glass beads and hawk's bells. They willingly traded everything they owned ... The were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features ... The do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane ... They would make fine servants....With fifty men we could subjegate them all and make them do what we want." -Christopher Columbus, written in his log to reflect his first encounter with the Indians.
 

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"As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts" -Christoper Columbus
 

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"Endless testimonies... prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives...But our work was to exasperate, ravage, kill, mangle and destro; small wonder; then, if they tried to kill one of us now and them....The admiral, it is true, was blind as those who came after him, and he was so anxious to please the King that he commited irreparable crimes against the Indians..." -Bartolme de las Casas, as a young priest writing of Columbus' journals. Casas was also a conquestor of Cuba and owner of a plantation worked by Indian slaves. Casas urged the Spaniard King to replace black slaves with Indian slaves.

Casas is widely considered to be the only historical source on Columbus' early conquests.
 

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As I said, the Native Americans got screwed. But you don't see people in Europe/Asia/Africa asking for reparations from the Visigoths, the Huns, Alexander the Great or Charlemagne.

I know it seems like a silly question, but what is the statute of limitations when it comes to reparations? My heritage is Scottish/Irish, and I'm sure somebody stole a potato from my great great great grandfather, so where is my money?
 

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As interesting as you viewing a stolen potato being a kin to mass genocide is I really don't see the point of your analogy.

As for your silly question - I didn't see anything in that article about reparations let alone statue of limitations regarding "reparations", so my silly answer is, "what does this have do with the article?"

The problem with OutKast's permorce and your post is simple a problem of ignorance. The Native Americans are generally very laid back people, but the one thing that disturbs them is the disrespect of their heritage. Trust me, this is something that most of our cultures could never relate to - even if one of our ancestors lost a potato.
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Lander,

If you don't think the Irish have experience with genocide you are kidding yourself. The history of Ireland is a long 600 year stretch of oppression and misery. And if Funk Monkey is of Highland Scottish extraction then any history of the Highland clearances of the 19th century will explain how his land was stolen and the savage way in which his ancestors were treated.

I think his point is a valid one, but at the same time I agree with you that basic respect for other cultures requires that Outkast apologize if their performance was offensive to Natives (I didn't see it and can't comment on that).
 

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Angus,
I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was oblivious to the Irish suffering - I watched Braveheart too.
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I'm perfectly aware of the British brutality against the Irish and Scotish. Anything I said regarding Ireland was in direct response to the claims that "stealing a potato" was akin to mass genocide.

That's all. I'm not upset with you or Funk or anyone else regarding the matter. I'm not for reparations - what's done is done.

My only concern is that the US public educational system conviently omits the bit of history that concerns American (or early Euorpean settlement) acts of genocide and brutality.
 

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